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I thought Chrome OS was designed for mouse/Keyboard, Android was designed for touch.
did Google update Chrome OS UI to make it easy to work with touch input ? if they did then why would they need Android & Chrome OS ?
Google is going MS route, have multiple products with overlapping functionality.

Nope, so far as I know Chromebooks have touchscreens. They first launched in 2011:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromebook
 
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Competition is needed in the educational sector and I think it’s good that Google is offering This product . I think Apple offering a lower budget is almost guaranteed tomorrow with a cheaper Apple Pencil.

The apple pencil should be included in the box for the students...something Apple should give them for free but they wont.
 
It runs web apps through a browser. Totally fine to disagree, but I don't consider that a full desktop OS.
We are talking about Education, not other markets. A full Desktop OS needed to accomplish the tasks in education? The answer No. Same with the tablet. Less is more in education. Why the TI 1970’s Graphing Calculator the main Calculator used in education. Understanding the education market needs where Google bests Apple. See if Apple can recover.
 
Its more of a desktop OS than iOS ....that's for sure.... You get file management, a full web browser, you get mouse support, you can add or not even use a keyboard. Plus, you get those android apps for the people who prefer not using standard chrome OS. You can do a whole lot with Chrome OS these days. More than any ipad or even ipad Pro. Now, chrome OS is a tri-fector....desktop OS, Internet OS, and mobile (tablet) OS all-in-one.

Yet Apps are garbage, just like Android. Nobody wastes time writing high-end software for ChromeOS just like they don't for Android.
 
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I can do real work on a chromebook. I have a ipad pro but its not a work nor productivity device due to the limitations of iOS...great as a nice and smooth performing tablet. The apps are nice but every app necessary is on both platforms so thats nothing to even brag about anymore.

That's fine, I can do real work on my iPad Pro. The only computers I use for work and personal are an iPad Pro and an iPhone X. I still don't consider iOS a desktop OS, nor would I want to.
 
So it can use webapps, local apps, run Android apps, connect external peripherals, such as mouse, monitors, keyboards, etc. But this is not a full desktop OS? Let me guess, your ipad is a full desktop OS on the other hand though?

Linux container support is also coming. So you can run full blown Linux desktop apps(Chromebooks that ships with Linix 3.10+ kernel, so almost all of android supported)in near future.
https://chromeunboxed.com/news/chrome-os-container-crostini-vscode-virtual-machine
 
Yet Apps are garbage, just like Android. Nobody wastes time writing high-end software for ChromeOS just like they don't for Android.

The apps are not garbage. Most useful apps are nearly the same on both platforms...with some differences. You just need to experience other options. I still use one iOS device but I can tell you, those so-called prettier apps don't make up for limited productivity.
 
I have to say at least Apple sticks to one OS on its tablets.... very odd move by a Google? The Chromebooks have a niche about them, these tablets just seem like a strange move to make to me?

It isn't an odd move in any way. Pragmatically it is primarily a Chromebook without a physical keyboard. It is still running ChromeOS. A very significant number of the Chromebooks being aimed at schools have had touch displays last year (so touch screen isn't particularly new). Some have even had "2-in-1" fold-over into a tablet mode.

A software keyboard can be relatively easily borrowed from Android. That is about the only "newish" thing here. For kids weaned on smartphones from extremely young ages, that is highly likely to be a non show stopper issue.

Cost wise it looks like they are trading off costs of keyboard/trackpad for a better screen ( probably better resolution and adding in augmented stylus support into system. ) with stylus support. Art class , drawing science diagrams , equations .... for several classes it is a better fit than the Chromebook with a keyboard as primary data entry system.
 
Linux container support is also coming. So you can run full blown Linux desktop apps(Chromebooks that ships with Linix 3.10+ kernel, so almost all of android supported)in near future.
https://chromeunboxed.com/news/chrome-os-container-crostini-vscode-virtual-machine

So you can run software from another platform (Linux) that's just as useless as ChromeOS?

Sorry to break it to you, but Windows won the desktop war. macOS came in second. Linux didn't even finish the race.
 
Only people spreading misinformation are those that claim ChromeOS is a "full desktop OS".

It's not. It's a wannabee OS. People like to pretend it is so they can claim Google is playing in the same ballpark as Windows or macOS. Or so they can bash the iPad because it runs a mobile OS.


Back on track, ChromeOS is a full desktop OS. Regardless of your wrong opinion. But then again, you would probably jump for joy if Apple copied this idea and was able to run ios apps in Macos. Or even be able to truly multitask.
 
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Its more of a desktop OS than iOS ....that's for sure.... You get file management, a full web browser, you get mouse support, you can add or not even use a keyboard. Plus, you get those android apps for the people who prefer not using standard chrome OS. You can do a whole lot with Chrome OS these days. More than any ipad or even ipad Pro. Now, chrome OS is a tri-fector....desktop OS, Internet OS, and mobile (tablet) OS all-in-one.


To each their own, but everything you listed exists on iOS for iPad minus the mouse (although you can use the pencil which is more pixel precise). To me, iOS lets me install native third party apps, so that’s closer to a desktop class OS than a glorified web browser.

This isn’t to say the Chromebook is an inferior option, but more to point out the term “full desktop OS” is pretty meaningless if we’re counting ChromeOS.
 
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We are talking about Education, not other markets. A full Desktop OS needed to accomplish the tasks in education? The answer No. Same with the tablet. Less is more in education. Why the TI 1970’s Graphing Calculator the main Calculator used in education. Understanding the education market needs where Google bests Apple. See if Apple can recover.

Whatever works for you. Chrome OS is a less than 1% OS, nobody uses it. It's sole purpose is for advertising data, jump on board if you'd like.
 
The apps are not garbage. Most useful apps are nearly the same on both platforms...with some differences. You just need to experience other options. I still use one iOS device but I can tell you, those so-called prettier apps don't make up for limited productivity.

Wrong. Apps that were developed for both platforms by larger developers are typically similar (your Facebooks, Twitters or popular games). The "Top 10" if you will.

I'm talking about Apps that exist outside the commonly used ones. What if I want to edit video? Audio? Do photo editing? Illustration? iOS completely and utterly stomps all over Android and ChromeOS in these use cases.

Nobody is investing money in writing these types of Apps for Android or ChromeOS.
 
It's Android. Would you honestly want your heart felt children using that platform? Android has no class. Period!
Our small private country schools went with Chromebooks and likely will go for something like this when the Chromebooks die. Lacking taxpayer funding, it was necessary to go with what was affordable at the time and that precluded anything Apple. If Apple comes up with really affordable iPads, that’s great. It just was not an option when the purchases were made.

Contrary to some prejudices, not all private schools are elite institutions with tons of money. Ours serve a rural community and until recently, the middle school branch was literally a one room schoolhouse. Now they have a whopping two rooms...and a new bathroom with two toilet stalls! Yay for community fundraisers!

Our kids relate more to depictions of school that you would see in “Little House on the Prairie” or “Anne of Green Gables” than any modern depiction of schools. The education itself is very comprehensive and modern despite requiring very minimal resources.
 
A low cost iPad. Lovely. Just what schools and students DON'T want. Smh. Tim, students don't want some asininely thin sheet of glass with a stylus no matter HOW much you delude yourself into believing otherwise. This is being born out daily with students wanting Chromebooks and laptops. Your toys are good for the home Tim. Let them stay there.
 
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So you can run software from another platform (Linux) that's just as useless as ChromeOS?

Sorry to break it to you, but Windows won the desktop war. macOS came in second. Linux didn't even finish the race.
That... must be why Microsoft added Linux support to Windows 10 recently?

Your whole rant (not a coherent argument) in this thread has been “ChromeOS is terrible and useless because it doesn’t fit my use case and so it doesn’t work for anyone else either”.

???
 
That's totally fine, I just don't consider it a desktop OS. I wasn't comparing it to iOS for the iPad, which I don't consider a desktop OS either. Both capable machines/platforms, but I would say "full desktop OS" is a bit of a stretch. Apps are better on iOS as is, you just don't get mouse support.

What about the vast bulk of tasks associated with K-12 education is a "full desktop OS" is the only capable solution to the problem?

Learning to read and write using language with people requires as "full desktop OS" ? Errrr No.
[ people write and read messages to each other in vast numbers more so not on "full desktop OS" ]

Doing K-9 math requires are only a "full desktop OS"? Errr No.
[ pencil and paper worked fine for years. So did dedicated calculators for decades. ]

Keeping a calendar and tracking deadlines requires only a "full desktop OS" ? Errr Nope.

Collaboratively working on word processing , spreadsheets , drawings, and presentations/slide shows on G Apps with other students requires a full desktop OS ? No .

You actually don't need arbitrary program number 52 that only exists in Windows ( or maybe also macOS) in this context.
 
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All current chromebooks are requiring touchscreen input. Chrome OS is replacing the stagnant android tablet market.

Possibly, but theAndroid tablets are only stagnant thanks to the manufactures. Apple struggled a lot with tablets too hence the Pro range.

It isn't an odd move in any way. Pragmatically it is primarily a Chromebook without a physical keyboard. It is still running ChromeOS. A very significant number of the Chromebooks being aimed at schools have had touch displays last year (so touch screen isn't particularly new). Some have even had "2-in-1" fold-over into a tablet mode.

A software keyboard can be relatively easily borrowed from Android. That is about the only "newish" thing here. For kids weaned on smartphones from extremely young ages, that is highly likely to be a non show stopper issue.

Cost wise it looks like they are trading off costs of keyboard/trackpad for a better screen ( probably better resolution and adding in augmented stylus support into system. ) with stylus support. Art class , drawing science diagrams , equations .... for several classes it is a better fit than the Chromebook with a keyboard as primary data entry system.

A software keyboard will NEVER match a physical one when it comes to work use. And some Chromebook's have high res screens, look at the Pixelsense model.
 
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The rumored ipad wont include the pencil for free unlike the free wacom stylus with the acer plus best buy always discounts acer products on certain weeks. Im sure the acer will be the more budget friendly tablet after all is said and done. It also has mouse support...another bonus for the educational segment. By Fall it will be a $199 device.
Ok, but it’s still an Acer tablet with a lower quality screen (no True Tone) and a crappy camera. iPad is a better value, even if you need to buy a separate stylus.
 
What about the vast bulk of tasks associated with K-12 education is a "full desktop OS" is the only capable solution to the problem?

Learning to read and write using language with people requires as "full desktop OS" ? Errrr No.
[ people write and read messages to each other in vast numbers more so not on "full desktop OS" ]

Doing K-9 math requires are only a "full desktop OS"? Errr No.
[ pencil and paper worked fine for years. So did dedicated calculators for decades. ]

Keeping a calendar and tracking deadlines requires only a "full desktop OS" ? Errr Nope.

Collaboratively working on word processing , spreadsheets , drawings, and presentations/slide shows on G Apps with other students requires a full desktop OS ? No .

You actually don't need arbitrary program number 52 that only exists in Windows ( or maybe also macOS) in this context.

I didn't say anything that you just described. I just said that Chrome OS isn't a full desktop OS. It's not.
 
It isn't an odd move in any way. Pragmatically it is primarily a Chromebook without a physical keyboard. It is still running ChromeOS. A very significant number of the Chromebooks being aimed at schools have had touch displays last year (so touch screen isn't particularly new). Some have even had "2-in-1" fold-over into a tablet mode.

A software keyboard can be relatively easily borrowed from Android. That is about the only "newish" thing here. For kids weaned on smartphones from extremely young ages, that is highly likely to be a non show stopper issue.

Cost wise it looks like they are trading off costs of keyboard/trackpad for a better screen ( probably better resolution and adding in augmented stylus support into system. ) with stylus support. Art class , drawing science diagrams , equations .... for several classes it is a better fit than the Chromebook with a keyboard as primary data entry system.

Its easy to go on amazon and find a $10 or $20 portable keyboard for the acer chromebook tab while Parents will have to pay like a $100 for one of those Apple smart keyboards and buy the Apple Pencil for another $100 if they have them in stock. That's why not having a included keyboard is not a problem at all. What matters most is that Wacom stylus being included for free while the Apple Pencil will not be included for free.
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Ok, but it’s still a plastic Acer tablet with a crappy camera. iPad is a better value, even if you need to buy a separate stylus.

Do you even know what the budget ipad is made of???? Plastic is more durable for students.....
 
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That... must be why Microsoft added Linux support to Windows 10 recently?

Your whole rant (not a coherent argument) in this thread has been “ChromeOS is terrible and useless because it doesn’t fit my use case and so it doesn’t work for anyone else either”.

???

"why Microsoft added Linux support" Strawman argument. What Microsoft has or hasn't done doesn't change what I said.

Speaking the truth is ranting? I'm sure ChromeOS is useful for some things. But it's not a desktop OS and it's severely lacking in Apps. Those two statements are 100% correct.
 
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