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Absolutely! Yes, this looks like a piece of junk. And it is. However, Google's free Educational Tools (Google Drive, Backup and Sync, Google Slides, Docs... and their school management software) is wrapping up the educational market. Why? Because the hardware is cheap (doesn't matter to the budget people that it is crap) and the online software and tools is FREE. Apple cannot compete with that. It is astonishing how many schools are adopting Google technology. That is scary. Because they are data mining every single kid (millions) that have their free google school account. Schools should care - but they don't. Google partners with tons of other innovative educational software companies that use Google cloud services. Apple has nothing to compete with that. This new Google tablet will be a huge success. Apples plans? It will be the same ol' same ol'! A nice device with a big app store. And that's about it. Even if the new iPad for Education is lower in price, they cannot compete with FREE Google web services. Apple is still run by the age-old hippies from the 70's - well maybe the 80's and 90's. Eddie Cue? Phil Schiller? They don't have a clue. Convince me I am wrong.
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There is no doubt that iOS is much better OS than Android in terms of security and consistency. But the Chrome OS on devices has no doubt taken over the educational market. I don't think Apple can catch up. Google has a lot more under the hood than just the device.


Whether Apple can or cannot catch up is not actually what I was arguing against. I’m arguing against the idea that a Chromebook or Chromebook tablet is more of a computer replacement than an iPad. If somebody can get along with a Chromebook, they can get along with an iPad.
 
Everything you just said is invalidated by the fact that you got wrong — repeatedly — the critical part of your argument: Apple does have free educational tools. Pages, Numbers and Keynote are included Free with every iPad. All of those apps work in collaboration, either through apps on other iPads or on the web via iCloud.com. Free. Every iPad backs up into iCloud and syncs, for free. iCloud drive is also included, for free.

Now, let me preempt an argument you might make. While consumer accounts come with 5GB of iCloud data, both enterprise and institutional clients negotiate caps outside of what is given to consumers. And since education is clearly an important market for Apple, they can offer whatever data caps are suited to that client to ensure that they capture their business.
Oh, I agree with most of what you say. Yes, Apple has free software. I am an Apple proponent. I use many Apple devices with iCloud. Have used MacOS and iOS in many classes of over 30 years. But do you not agree that Google has more robust cloud services? It's not about just using a word processor or presentation software. I use many web-based educational software in my college classes. There are tons of them. So do elementary, middle and HS. I don't know of a single one that partners with iCloud. The majority of them partner with Google to store documents, projects, some really cool stuff. Apple even uses Google Cloud Services (although it is very secure and on Apples terms). At my college (and many others) we use the BlackBoard system for student management, curriculum design, etc... Very professional, powerful, flexible and very secure. It is also terribly expensive. Most universities and colleges use BB but pay in the tens of 1000's of dollars to do so. In Georgia, public schools are dumping BlackBoard and other similar systems and using Google School. It is free. My local rural school system has gone all ChromeOS with Google School Tools. Atlanta districts are doing the same. Their hardware is cheap. Of course there are schools that are still Apple based (and that is good!). But Google has far surpassed them.
 
It is astonishing how many schools are adopting Google technology. That is scary. Because they are data mining every single kid (millions) that have their free google school account. Schools should care - but they don't.

Whether it's on a Microsoft, Apple or Google platform, any apps made by Pearson Education have been data mining and selling school and student data for many, many years.

Google, for students using their core suite of apps for education, does not lay any claims on student or school data, they don't target students for ads, they don't sell their data, and the school can delete the data at any time. What Google does do is provide an easy means, upon graduation, for transferring all your data from your school account, to a regular consumer account.

That's their long term game plan. There's no way a student wants to lose emails, pictures, and other mementos that they've accumulated over 4-12 years of their lives while using Google Apps. After they graduate and convert their accounts, yes, they will be targeted as a normal consumer. And I really don't have much of a problem with this setup.
 
Google cant make any good hardware lol

Ah, yes. And when was the last time Apple wrote any good software? (Good as in performance, quality and stability, not good as in graphics design and marketing.) And let's not talk about the lack of upgrades for the Mac Pro, the Mac Mini and the fact that can only have 16 GB of RAM in their high-end notebooks and last decade's graphics cards in their other so-called "Pro"-machines. And with Apple's sub-standard OpenGL implementation, you cannot even port advanced Bio-Informatics visualization software to macOS.

I have a new Mac Pro at work and it is a very nice machine for some of my work, but not all of it. The hardware is all I personally need, but macOS cannot pull its own weight. I use it because I need to support macOS users, but it falls short as a Unix platform and it is not nearly as versatile as Windows or Linux.
 
The apple pencil should be included in the box for the students...something Apple should give them for free but they wont.

In terms of an educational consideration for student, yes I, I agree that a low-cost Apple Pencil could be included if this new iPad exists. But given we know how Apple markets and charges across their productline, I also doubt that they would include it.
 
This may be good for Google, but don't except a full blown OS in a tablet. Google hasan't' done that yet (if its anything like Chrome OS on desktop), it will be more liming than a bee-hive
 
Makes sense.

A9
2 GB RAM
32 GB storage
Polycarbonate chassis
$259

Apple ePencil
$69
Hoping for the A10. Would like to see the polucarbonate chassis.
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Neither can Apple, I mean it doesn’t actually make any of its hardware....
They do design them. Google lets other companies throw in their fugly design. Really a huge difference.
 
It is in education market. You think school IT guy won’t make sure lock down the whatever the devices down to the basic educational purpose? You think school would allow these devices track student?

Most of them never really leaves school anyway. It will be locked down to one single application and online access will be extremely limited.

So Google data mining school kids will be extremely limited.

I would imagine any searches or google services being used would be tracked as they normally do. I mean of course you could be right, but this is a company that only exists for advertising. Can you use Chrome OS without any Google services?
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WTF? If you count a the super computers and servers in the world, Linux absolutely crash Windows. Mac doesn't even have space in sever and super computer spaces.

Windows did not won the desktop war, it won the consumer desktop war. Since you really want play into professional and high end game, there you go.
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People can. If you say, iPad can replace people's PC, Chromebook absolutely can.

It gets Android apps, it gets all the Chrome extension, it gets file managers, it runs all Google and Microsoft Office applications... etc.

Yet a lot of the same people who say an iPad can’t replace a computer say that a Chromebook can. I agree with your point though, it definitely can. My only original point was that I didn’t consider it a desktop OS, but I’ve realized it ultimately doesn’t matter. Use what works for you. If the kids like it, awesome.
 
For one, ChromeOS is immensely easier to configure at scale compared to Android. That is one of the reasons why Chromebooks are so popular in schools.

I don’t know how to answer that “unknown” bit.
Well, less than 1% of the market is not a lot.
And you just mentioned an advantage ChromeOS has for developers but I frankly think ChromeOS developers are a dozen right now.
Let's put it this way: Windows isn't the best for cheap laptops (anti-virus and stuff just take too much resources). Best option is surely some lightweigh Linux distro like Lubuntu but regular people don't want to mess with that and I understand them. So ChromeOS came. But Google didn't really care about it because it wasn't profitable enough, so they just threw it in the market and hoped for people to care... and people didn't. So they made an ultrabook with that OS and reviewers agree it's an unfinished OS for a decently expensive laptop that should compete with good Win and Mac ultrabooks.
Now they want to put this OS, that still doesn't work perfectly for laptops, in a tablet, to compete partially with iOS but mainly with their very own, much better known, much better supported OS.
I frankly thing they'll sell a hundred of these.
(Maybe this will sell a lot and I'll sound like those idiots who thought iPhone was a stupid idea :D)
 
Well, less than 1% of the market is not a lot.
And you just mentioned an advantage ChromeOS has for developers but I frankly think ChromeOS developers are a dozen right now.
Let's put it this way: Windows isn't the best for cheap laptops (anti-virus and stuff just take too much resources). Best option is surely some lightweigh Linux distro like Lubuntu but regular people don't want to mess with that and I understand them. So ChromeOS came. But Google didn't really care about it because it wasn't profitable enough, so they just threw it in the market and hoped for people to care... and people didn't. So they made an ultrabook with that OS and reviewers agree it's an unfinished OS for a decently expensive laptop that should compete with good Win and Mac ultrabooks.
Now they want to put this OS, that still doesn't work perfectly for laptops, in a tablet, to compete partially with iOS but mainly with their very own, much better known, much better supported OS.
I frankly thing they'll sell a hundred of these.
(Maybe this will sell a lot and I'll sound like those idiots who thought iPhone was a stupid idea :D)
Within the context of schools (which many people in this thread kept ignoring), 1) the PixelBook is irrelevant, 2) the amount of Windows/MacOS alternative applications doesn’t need to be one-to-one, but are generally sufficient enough, and 3) will lend to ChromeOS tablets being popular as well given the high adoption rates of Chromebooks (and so that 1% figure is also meaningless).

This goes back to the whole mess of an argument regarding whether this counts as a “desktop OS”. Why does that label matter so much in this case? Again within the context of schools, whether or not ChromeOS is a “desktop class OS” doesn’t really matter as long as they work.
 
Apple sets a mixed message trying to target children in schools when Tim Cook says that more code needs to be taught in schools, and then tries to promote a product that is useless for coding app and website development.

Sure, you can get some theoretical and novel app to help children learn the fundamentals of coding, but at the end of the day exposing kids, and eventually teens in high school, to the real tools and platforms used to develop real content is more important than trying to whore a tablet in a supposed post-PC era. Until Apple lets you "code" on an iPad using an iPad in schools is superfluous hardware when at the end of the day kids will pull out their laptops, Surface or Chromebooks to do some actual real development on. iPad's in school is already proven to be a disaster in many school districts, making them cheaper without changing their core user experience and capabilities will not improve that result.

Of course, Apple's "What's a computer?" campaign lasts until Apple wants to release a new Mac product, and then iPad gets ignored for another year while Apple still tries to make their "PC" continue to be relevant.
 
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Whether Apple can or cannot catch up is not actually what I was arguing against. I’m arguing against the idea that a Chromebook or Chromebook tablet is more of a computer replacement than an iPad. If somebody can get along with a Chromebook, they can get along with an iPad.
I supposed it depends upon the definition of "can get along with". Swapping "chromebook" and "ipad" in that bolded statement is probably closer to being true.

One software example: the Chrome browser on a Chromebook is a full desktop-strength browser that supports plug-ins and extensions. The iPad is limited to a mobile browsing engine that is very limited. So to the extent that one relies on a desktop browsing experience, that will determine how suitable an iPad is.

But chromebooks are also a hardware platform. Chromebooks' support for removable media and peripherals, are not present for iPads.
 
Right. I suppose Apple investing in code camps that target specifically Macs is much different.

Deflection. Apple wants people to buy their hardware. What company doesn’t?

Google wants your data. If they can start mining with kids all the better. Of course, Google states they don’t use education data for things like targeted ads. So what? They’re still mining.
 
I supposed it depends upon the definition of "can get along with". Swapping "chromebook" and "ipad" in that bolded statement is probably closer to being true.

One software example: the Chrome browser on a Chromebook is a full desktop-strength browser that supports plug-ins and extensions. The iPad is limited to a mobile browsing engine that is very limited. So to the extent that one relies on a desktop browsing experience, that will determine how suitable an iPad is.

But chromebooks are also a hardware platform. Chromebooks' support for removable media and peripherals, are not present for iPads.

People keep talking about plugging in peripherals. I’d be willing to bet the most used peripheral on a laptop is a mouse. And I’d also bet most don’t care about a lack of mouse on an iPad.
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Ah, yes. And when was the last time Apple wrote any good software? (Good as in performance, quality and stability, not good as in graphics design and marketing.) And let's not talk about the lack of upgrades for the Mac Pro, the Mac Mini and the fact that can only have 16 GB of RAM in their high-end notebooks and last decade's graphics cards in their other so-called "Pro"-machines. And with Apple's sub-standard OpenGL implementation, you cannot even port advanced Bio-Informatics visualization software to macOS.

I have a new Mac Pro at work and it is a very nice machine for some of my work, but not all of it. The hardware is all I personally need, but macOS cannot pull its own weight. I use it because I need to support macOS users, but it falls short as a Unix platform and it is not nearly as versatile as Windows or Linux.

Safari is a great piece of software. And as much as people complain about it, myself included, Pages is a fast and stable app itself. I just wish it had more features. I also find myself having little to no issues with the Mail app. I’m sure I could find more things, but I just woke up.
 
Deflection.

Every time a poster says this, they should look at their past posts again.

Apple wants people to buy their hardware. What company doesn’t?

You forgot to conveniently mention the parts where Apple wants people to develop software for their hardware for specifically their ecosystem which in turn gives Apple more data about (how to milk $ from) these kids and users of the software for more (future) profit. See what I did there? Full circle.

If you don't think Apple isn't mining data as well, then you must be in a very happy place
 
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Is it not a Pixel Device, so it wasnt Google who released this tablet, get your wording right. With your logic, Google released the S9 and S9+ a week ago.... or that Google phone with 3 cameras and a notch with the Huawei logo in somewhere in it.
 
People keep talking about plugging in peripherals. I’d be willing to bet the most used peripheral on a laptop is a mouse. And I’d also bet most don’t care about a lack of mouse on an iPad.
Peripherals can be mice, USB thumbdrives/harddrives, wireless receiver dongles, etc. Of course you can dismiss these things as "well, nobody uses them" but that belief is not supported by how chromebooks are used in the classroom (primarily).

When you say, "If somebody can get along with a Chromebook, they can get along with an iPad." that implies that they're starting out using a chromebook. Anyone who uses chromebook-exclusive features will find the iPad experience different. Some things will not be possible.
 
Peripherals can be mice, USB thumbdrives/harddrives, wireless receiver dongles, etc. Of course you can dismiss these things as "well, nobody uses them" but that belief is not supported by how chromebooks are used in the classroom (primarily).

When you say, "If somebody can get along with a Chromebook, they can get along with an iPad." that implies that they're starting out using a chromebook. Anyone who uses chromebook-exclusive features will find the iPad experience different. Some things will not be possible.

I’m going to have to defer to you, since you seem to know more about how classrooms use them than I do.
 
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