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I use mine every day, if you adjust the strap correctly the weight is fine. For me it increases productivity immensely and paid for itself in a few months. So there are use cases but obviously not a mass market product yet. If you allow for inflation the original Macintosh was the equivalent of $7,500 and people bought them.
I'm curious as to how you use it? I'm currently in discussion with a seller of a, like new, second hand unit.
I work a lot from home so can see myself using it a lot in the spring and summer outside in the garden. We have a garden house and the extended screen options look a winner for me.

Do you have headphones too?

On a side note, as a hobbyist, I'm going skiing with the family and intend to shoot as much spacial video as I can. I can then edit it and take the headset to my eldery parents to see their grandkids skiing. I've not experienced spacial video or photos yet, what's your take?
 
Apple has to make Siri a good working assistant before they’ll succeed with AVP- devices. Whatever they do, it won’t stand a change with competing offerings having a good working assistant.

Siri is a key element for success. Can’t believe Apple isn’t able to solve that after 14+ years.

All home devices rely on Siri, all AR devices rely on Siri, AI relies on Siri.

Without a good working Siri the experience is crippled.
 
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I think Apple tried so hard to invent "alternative computing". They tried the iPad Pro with "your next computer is not a computer", then the Apple Vision Pro with "spatial computing".

I'm not saying they are bad products. For people who know what they are doing and are able to find correct apps, those are great tools. But they're not good enough for general "computing".

I always say that the iPad Pro or AVP computing dream becomes true only when those YouTubers bring an iPad Pro or Apple Vision Pro as their only computer to the WWDC or Apple Events, write scripts, post on social media, edit and upload videos on YouTube.
 
The Quest headsets are selling better than ever, but the Quest Pro was discontinued, and the PSVR2 isn’t doing well.
Some Quest OS updates have probably been inspired by the Vision Pro, but I don’t know of any significant changes.
The only direct competitor to the Vision Pro hasn’t been released.

I just don’t see any major influence on the VR ecosystem from Apple. And I’m saying this as someone who was very much hoping that Apple would have a positive impact on the industry even if I didn’t necessarily want an Apple headset.
I think there's evidence Apple has already had significant influence on the VR ecosystem.

There were some good reasons the Quest Pro was discontinued, and couldn't have been expected to be a success despite any positive influence in the field from Apple. Even though the Pro cost much less than the AVP, it was still too expensive for wider adoption by its target market for the limited things it did, and because several of its key specs weren't as good as the Quest 3.

The Pro was $1500 from its release in Oct 2022 until March 2023, when the price was dropped to $1000, but this still didn't get enough buyers, in Meta's opinion, to continue making it after the Quest 3 was released in Oct 2023. The Quest 3's mostly better specs (except for lacking eye and face tracking) and more realistic pricing seem intended as Meta's attempt, taking some lessons from the AVP, to take steps towards eventually having competitive AVP-like performance without the price. The much better sales of the 3 and 3s, compared to the Pro, show that they were right to adjust course in light of the reception of the AVP.

The 3's resolution (both its displays and its passthrough cameras) is significantly better than the Pro's, the pancake lenses in the 3 have significantly less glare than the Pro and a wider field of view, the 3 has a faster chipset, depth sensing (lacking in the Pro), it's lighter (515 grams vs 722), and costs half as much as the Pro (though it's being sold as a loss leader to attract support). It's possible Meta wouldn't have developed the 3 and 3s models if Apple hadn't been working on the AVP. Now Meta needs to put eye and possibly face tracking, and better hand tracking, into one or both of the next Quest models, which the Pro had, if they can keep the price down.

There've been improvements in at least two major Quest OS updates for which some say there's evidence were inspired directly by the AVP to try to emulate it, though these were probably already in the works: multiple widescreen virtual windows, and significant improvement in its passthrough video software.

I agree that no true competitor for the AVP has yet been released, though Samsung thinks they've got one in the pipeline, which happens to look essentially like the AVP (no surprise).

From what I've seen, it seems like a significant amount of the push towards better display resolution in the glasses and goggles form factor has been driven by the AVP's resolution besting just about everything that came before it, leading to higher expectations for all these devices.
 
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Your analogy to the very important Newton is sound. Newton had narrow appeal but was an essential step in the process of Apple bringing us tablets, phones, etc. AVP also has narrow appeal and also is an essential step in the process of advancing Apple tech. "Narrow appeal" does not mean flop or lame product.
Excellent point.
 
Would you say it is heavy tho? genuinely curious... glad you did enjoy yours btw...

btw my comment about the VirtualBoy was about the impact it ultimately had... not the tech itself.
No - it's not heavy to me in the least, and I am an average size 58-year-old guy with a history of a neck injury. That being said, the straps Apple included were not very comfortable (to me anyway!); the Anapro was a good alternative, but the new Belkin strap is awesome - it's simple and should have come with the AVP.

I know it's not for everyone. Hell, I might not have one except for the fact that I had saved up nearly $2k in Apple Gift Cards from trade-ins the year before it came out (this is how I talked my wife into being OK with me getting it!). But reading all of the shittalking of this amazing device gets old. I have a Quest 3, and it is a toy compared to the AVP - it's like comparing a Game Boy to a gaming PC with the latest NVIDIA card.

A concession I will make is that there needs to be much more content - and I would really like a version of Teams that I can actually use with it (the AVP Teams app only allows personal MS accounts).

One thing the AVP has done: it is so advanced that it has made me very jealous of the tech my grandkids are going to see! If this is what we can get in 2025, they are going to see things I can't even imagine when they are my age.

(When they were little, I got my two oldest boys the Virtual Boy when it came out...their Dad got much more use out of it than they ever did!)
 
The key problem I have with it is weight.

It's not going away but it is manageable. The Kontor strap puts almost all the weight on the head so there is almost no facial pressure.

How’s the experience working on wide screen of AVP?

Awesome.

I've not experienced spacial video or photos yet, what's your take?

Personally I am quite pleased with my iPhone Spatial videos. Some folks have issues with it due to the narrow spacing between the lenses but for me the convenience is well worth it. Converting photos to spatial also generally works quite well in Photos.
 
Apple still hopes to introduce augmented reality glasses one day, but it looks like the company will wait until technology has advanced enough that the glasses won't need to rely on another device for power and battery.

That will be a great day. Until then, the practical, 'wearable' genre of Apple tech is unfortunately confined to the wrist and inner ear.
 
Sort of correct. Newton was the first PDA; it evolved as Newton for ~seven years, then was canceled as a product in 1998 by Jobs because Apple was $millions in debt and products needed to be chopped.

All smartphones and tablets can be traced back to the Newton via their ARM processors. The Apple engineers that worked on Newtons first and their concept of full computer in your hand directly led to iPhones and iPads. So IMO the Newton's engineering evolved to tablets and phones. Newton was an important product for the world, irrespective of Apple's need to ultimately cancel it because Apple was broke.

Today IMO AVP fills a similar spot in tech, but today Apple definitely is not broke. My expectation is that Apple sees it as important tech [like I do] and that they will continue to invest.
I owned several pocketable computers before Newton. I had the Zeos, and the Atari Portfolio. The Portfolio had some PDA-type features. A computer that I could have with me all the time was a must-have for me. In my university classes in the early 90s, literally no one besides me was taking notes on a computer.

The first computer I ever touched was a Radio Shack PC-1 pocket computer in 1982. I didn't own that one (but I do now!). I didn't have Newton.

I would say that PDAs continued to evolve, outside of Apple. I owned several PDAs in the 90s and 2000s. Each and every one I thought would be the one that finally organized my life, and each failed to live up to that promise. Until iPhone.
 
No - it's not heavy to me in the least, and I am an average size 58-year-old guy with a history of a neck injury. That being said, the straps Apple included were not very comfortable (to me anyway!); the Anapro was a good alternative, but the new Belkin strap is awesome - it's simple and should have come with the AVP.

I know it's not for everyone. Hell, I might not have one except for the fact that I had saved up nearly $2k in Apple Gift Cards from trade-ins the year before it came out (this is how I talked my wife into being OK with me getting it!). But reading all of the shittalking of this amazing device gets old. I have a Quest 3, and it is a toy compared to the AVP - it's like comparing a Game Boy to a gaming PC with the latest NVIDIA card.

A concession I will make is that there needs to be much more content - and I would really like a version of Teams that I can actually use with it (the AVP Teams app only allows personal MS accounts).

One thing the AVP has done: it is so advanced that it has made me very jealous of the tech my grandkids are going to see! If this is what we can get in 2025, they are going to see things I can't even imagine when they are my age.

(When they were little, I got my two oldest boys the Virtual Boy when it came out...their Dad got much more use out of it than they ever did!)
Appreciate the kind and honest response and your thoughts on it. 😊 So you prefer 3rd party straps.. that's interesting...

Enjoy your AVP... and thank you!
 
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Good article. Thank you Julie.

IMO much of the dissing of the AVP is poorly thought out. Personally I find the AVP device itself to be very good; superb even for a v1 prototype of a new category. Folks whining about too heavy, etc. probably never previously used head mounted devices, the kinds of devices many folks routinely wore all day for cold outdoors or for work or for war: goggles, respirators, helmets, hard hats, etc. To the whiners I say get over it; adjust the AVP to fit and learn the product.

The current limitation of the AVP is not the hardware or even the price. The limiting factor is the software, which is currently [IMO] beta at best. The good news is that software improvement will come and that hardware has already proven itself to be good enough. But IMO Apple may be screwing up by not throwing enough resources at software, and hence losing momentum for the AVP product.
100% agree with this. They stuffed up the dev tools, whereas meta have nailed it. Never thought I would say that btw.
 
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work a lot from home so can see myself using it a lot in the spring and summer outside in the garden. We have a garden house and the extended screen options look a winner for me.
It is quite magical to sometimes work from hammock in the garden. With a 8k wide display floating above the hammock.
 
I'm curious as to how you use it? I'm currently in discussion with a seller of a, like new, second hand unit.
I work a lot from home so can see myself using it a lot in the spring and summer outside in the garden. We have a garden house and the extended screen options look a winner for me.

Do you have headphones too?

On a side note, as a hobbyist, I'm going skiing with the family and intend to shoot as much spacial video as I can. I can then edit it and take the headset to my eldery parents to see their grandkids skiing. I've not experienced spacial video or photos yet, what's your take?

Not sure if it's too late, but if you are considering purchasing for your ski trip, I recommend to think very carefully. My apologies for a lengthy response. Kudos for anyone that actually reads it all!

I have owned an AVP since launch day and I am an advocate for those with realistic expectations. I have zero buyer's remorse, but acknowledge it is at times more a taste of the future than a full meal. I have the income to buy without having to justify it on terms of productivity. It has not replaced my Macs, iPads, iPhone, but compliments them. all to say, I like it, a lot. I use it 3 or 4 times a week for hours at a time for viewing immersive content, going through email from the couch, perusing MR, in fact using it now for this reply (with blue tooth keyboard), and especially on travel. It is portable and enjoy using it on my outside deck, much like you would want to in your garden. In particular, I do enjoy viewing my photographs with it. The 3D immersive view it can create from 2D stills is amazing.

I am also an avid photographer. My mirrorless camera set up makes the AVP look inexpensive. I.E. I am fortunate enough (and have a patient wife) to be able to invest in quality over just cost. I have a single lens that costs as much as the AVP. The camera body cost twice as much. My photographs are highly regarded, so again, suggesting I know where you are coming from and just trying to establish my credentials as a basis of my opinion. It's not jut comparing phone pictures.

So let's talk spatial photography and panorama shots. Breathtaking. I have been photographing with high resolution cameras (first 100 iso film, now a 61 megapixel censor) the same amazing summer view off a cabin deck overlooking a bay in Maine for literally 35 years now (1000's of pics). The AVP and panorama shots took it to a next level that I haven't experienced before. In the middle of the winter I can sit in my home surrounded by snow, and experience that summer view in a way I just couldn't before, looking around as if I was enjoying a glass of wine on the deck. I do miss the feel of the breeze and the smell of the ocean. Spatial photography and video are almost as impressive to me.

But. And here is my point for you to consider given you want to share your videos with your parents.

At the risk of fueling the nay sayers, I acknowledge it is pretty much an experience for one. Apple did not implement sharing an AVP as well as perhaps some would like. Yes, you can hand your AVP to someone else, but I find the steps necessary to be cumbersome, especially as I have magnetic inserts with my glasses prescription. The AVP does not adjust for eyeglasses, you have to buy inserts. So unless your elderly parents don't need glasses, it's unlikely they will be able to see as intended. You can airplay what you see to a large screen tv, but it's not the same experience, they basically see what you focus on as you look around, and they dont get the 3D view. My wife is patient as I share videos but doesn't beg for me to show her. Sometimes she falls asleep.

Plus, there is a learning curve in using one. I can understand why people get frustrated with demos. It took me a couple hours of earnest effort to get it down. And I was motivated. It also took me a few hours to figure out how to put it on my head to be comfortable, but once I did I have worn it for 8 hours straight. It's been my experience that trying to teach people how to wear it does not go as well as I would like. It seems each person has a different way that works for them that is found by working with it. Makes sense, each head is different. All to say, they have to be motivated to get past early challenges. Many people are motivated to not like it and find it easy on first use to quit. It's not as simple as just handing it to them.

Then there is the editing process. In the early days there was a way, but likewise difficult, but I am a Mac user for a reason, I prefer easier. I understand there are now tools that are better but dont know personally. You might want to look into that.

Last, but not least. I do take spatial video outside in the summer. I do sometimes walk around as I do so. But I wouldn't consider the pass through sufficient to wear while skiing at almost any speed. And this might be a personal failing, but my best video is when I dont change location. Walking and looking around can be jarring when rewatching and I have to remind myself to pan slowly. I dont know what your movie making skills are, but studying how films are made with pans etc can be helpful. I have had decades to do so. And... electronics, batteries and the cold do not always mix well. Here the external battery pack of the AVP is an advantage, you can keep it warm in your coat. But I have no idea about the actual visor. I am skeptical of its use while skiing. And I did take a super 8 film video camera on the trails back in the day. But it was hand held, I could ski, and put inside my coat to keep warm. Did have to carry a lens cloth to deal with condensation.

I know I focused on your last sentence because as I said, the AVP is a matter of expectations. Some put it down because it doesn't replace all their devices, or isnt comfortable after 15 minutes of trying it on, etc. Perhaps we can blame Apple marketing for being overly enthusiastic, but what marketing of any product isn't? Its in a league of its own for what it can do, but like every tool, has limits to be respected.

I guess I have one other comment, I do take spatial video, pictures, and panoramas. But it's more for the future than now (outside of personal use). Dare I say for my grandchildren? AVP 1 is a start, future versions will be lighter, cheaper, and perhaps even easier to share (though admittedly apple's track record for that is not as great as I would like, i.e a single user iPad). I do think this product category has a place in the future, and I am vain enough to plan for it by leaving behind a digital spatial record of my perspective on my world. Reality is, they are likely to gather dust like the super 8 videos my dad took. I am even considering the two Cannon systems for taking spatial video... affordable for me, but not sure I want to put that much effort into it.

I appreciate your enthusiasm, and don't want to discourage you from getting an AVP, just want to give you points to consider so your choice can be more informed, lest you join the legions of nay sayers with unrealistic expectations.
 
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Not sure if it's too late, but if you are considering purchasing for your ski trip, I recommend to think very carefully. My apologies for a lengthy response. Kudos for anyone that actually reads it all!

I have owned an AVP since launch day and I am an advocate for those with realistic expectations. I have zero buyer's remorse, but acknowledge it is at times more a taste of the future than a full meal. I have the income to buy without having to justify it on terms of productivity. It has not replaced my Macs, iPads, iPhone, but compliments them. all to say, I like it, a lot. I use it 3 or 4 times a week for hours at a time for viewing immersive content, going through email from the couch, perusing MR, in fact using it now for this reply (with blue tooth keyboard), and especially on travel. It is portable and enjoy using it on my outside deck, much like you would want to in your garden. In particular, I do enjoy viewing my photographs with it. The 3D immersive view it can create from 2D stills is amazing.

I am also an avid photographer. My mirrorless camera set up makes the AVP look inexpensive. I.E. I am fortunate enough (and have a patient wife) to be able to invest in quality over just cost. I have a single lens that costs as much as the AVP. The camera body cost twice as much. My photographs are highly regarded, so again, suggesting I know where you are coming from and just trying to establish my credentials as a basis of my opinion. It's not jut comparing phone pictures.

So let's talk spatial photography and panorama shots. Breathtaking. I have been photographing with high resolution cameras (first 100 iso film, now a 61 megapixel censor) the same amazing summer view off a cabin deck overlooking a bay in Maine for literally 35 years now (1000's of pics). The AVP and panorama shots took it to a next level that I haven't experienced before. In the middle of the winter I can sit in my home surrounded by snow, and experience that summer view in a way I just couldn't before, looking around as if I was enjoying a glass of wine on the deck. I do miss the feel of the breeze and the smell of the ocean. Spatial photography and video are almost as impressive to me.

But. And here is my point for you to consider given you want to share your videos with your parents.

At the risk of fueling the nay sayers, I acknowledge it is pretty much an experience for one. Apple did not implement sharing an AVP as well as perhaps some would like. Yes, you can hand your AVP to someone else, but I find the steps necessary to be cumbersome, especially as I have magnetic inserts with my glasses prescription. The AVP does not adjust for eyeglasses, you have to buy inserts. So unless your elderly parents don't need glasses, it's unlikely they will be able to see as intended. You can airplay what you see to a large screen tv, but it's not the same experience, they basically see what you focus on as you look around, and they dont get the 3D view. My wife is patient as I share videos but doesn't beg for me to show her. Sometimes she falls asleep.

Plus, there is a learning curve in using one. I can understand why people get frustrated with demos. It took me a couple hours of earnest effort to get it down. And I was motivated. It also took me a few hours to figure out how to put it on my head to be comfortable, but once I did I have worn it for 8 hours straight. It's been my experience that trying to teach people how to wear it does not go as well as I would like. It seems each person has a different way that works for them that is found by working with it. Makes sense, each head is different. All to say, they have to be motivated to get past early challenges. Many people are motivated to not like it and find it easy on first use to quit. It's not as simple as just handing it to them.

Then there is the editing process. In the early days there was a way, but likewise difficult, but I am a Mac user for a reason, I prefer easier. I understand there are now tools that are better but dont know personally. You might want to look into that.

Last, but not least. I do take spatial video outside in the summer. I do sometimes walk around as I do so. But I wouldn't consider the pass through sufficient to wear while skiing at almost any speed. And this might be a personal failing, but my best video is when I dont change location. Walking and looking around can be jarring when rewatching and I have to remind myself to pan slowly. I dont know what your movie making skills are, but studying how films are made with pans etc can be helpful. I have had decades to do so. And... electronics, batteries and the cold do not always mix well. Here the external battery pack of the AVP is an advantage, you can keep it warm in your coat. But I have no idea about the actual visor. I am skeptical of its use while skiing. And I did take a super 8 film video camera on the trails back in the day. But it was hand held, I could ski, and put inside my coat to keep warm. Did have to carry a lens cloth to deal with condensation.

I know I focused on your last sentence because as I said, the AVP is a matter of expectations. Some put it down because it doesn't replace all their devices, or isnt comfortable after 15 minutes of trying it on, etc. Perhaps we can blame Apple marketing for being overly enthusiastic, but what marketing of any product isn't? Its in a league of its own for what it can do, but like every tool, has limits to be respected.

I guess I have one other comment, I do take spatial video, pictures, and panoramas. But it's more for the future than now (outside of personal use). Dare I say for my grandchildren? AVP 1 is a start, future versions will be lighter, cheaper, and perhaps even easier to share (though admittedly apple's track record for that is not as great as I would like, i.e a single user iPad). I do think this product category has a place in the future, and I am vain enough to plan for it by leaving behind a digital spatial record of my perspective on my world. Reality is, they are likely to gather dust like the super 8 videos my dad took. I am even considering the two Cannon systems for taking spatial video... affordable for me, but not sure I want to put that much effort into it.

I appreciate your enthusiasm, and don't want to discourage you from getting an AVP, just want to give you points to consider so your choice can be more informed, lest you join the legions of nay sayers with unrealistic expectations.

Thanks for taking the time to reply thoroughly.

The devices primary use would be with my work. I'm a freelance IT'er and while I have a nice home office, as I said in the original message, its nice to sit outside in the better weather and take a screen with me!

Its great to hear the photos are fantastic. I think my post might have been slightly misinterpreted. I intend to shoot fusion film on my iPhone for the ski vacation and not the vision pro. I'm a reasonable skier but there is no way I'm strapping something so expensive to my head. My intention is to shoot with the phone, using various mounts, take spacial photos and try to capture the magic of the 4 of us. As you rightly say, this will be more for my Grandkids and my children to look back on in X years when, dare I say it, a pair of glasses will do the same as the current AVP.

I'd love to see some of your photos too, I can't say I'm an avid photographer but I do use RAW quite a lot on the phone* and love finding the details.

* I dropped my SLR in the snow a few years back and now need a new body. The adjustment wheel died but the camera does actually still work.

I appreciate the comments on the lenses too. I was looking at the apple site for inserts, I'm just about to get +0.75 for each eye. The apple site seemed to suggest one lens fits all but I find that hard to believe.

I'm picking a device up this evening, second hand, so I can try it out. It'll be a business tool so its not as big of a layout as it would be if buying privately. I'm starting a car importing business soon as well, so I'm really keen to see if my contacts half way across the work can shoot with a Pro phone and how the AVP handles the video back. That to me is a solid use case with potential clients "Here is the car, watch this, let me know what you think". I'd need a box of lenses though I'm sure!
 
I appreciate the comments on the lenses too. I was looking at the apple site for inserts, I'm just about to get +0.75 for each eye. The apple site seemed to suggest one lens fits all but I find that hard to believe.

Glad my reply could help. On the issue of lens inserts.. I would call your local Apple Store, or Apple itself and ask what you can do. When I bought mine, I actually sent in my eyeglass prescription... I know there were many options, not quite custom made, but certainly more than one. at the time of release I read even in the demo area they had many different ones. The Apple Store might be able to let you try different ones. I dont know.

good luck and enjoy!
 
Have you ever even put an AVP on? I'm going to bet NO. I have one and it is in NO way uncomfortable. 90% (research proven) of negative AVP posts are from people who have never even tried it, but are jumping on the "hate AVP" train because...
We have one in the studio and most people agree that while it's not uncomfortable, stopping using after long times is a relief.
The wow factor is impressive, how the device works and is build is state of the art. But is quite weird being in public with that on, talking with people IS uncomfortable, and putting in/off is uncomfortable (vs open close a laptop...). Also the uses case is yet a bit specific, I mean, you can create art in a different way but in a traditional way is not the best device, and you can't really do serious video editing, I mean, you can do stuff in a very exciting way, but at least yet, is far from the mac experience.
I dont know about writing blogs or office work, but yet, the device is too expensive and awkward to wear vs doing that in a Macbook Air.
I guess this device is awesome for new uses cases so better not compare to a traditional PC/Tablet, and there is people already juicing the best of the Vision Pro.
I think AVP is not intended to be the iPhone sustitute either the mac substitute in a medium-short term, but a new tool with different possibilities for specific users, a complement device for new needs. So not a mainstream (yet) product until future needs and hardware evolutions be conducive.
 
We have one in the studio and most people agree that while it's not uncomfortable, stopping using after long times is a relief.
The wow factor is impressive, how the device works and is build is state of the art. But is quite weird being in public with that on, talking with people IS uncomfortable, and putting in/off is uncomfortable (vs open close a laptop...). Also the uses case is yet a bit specific, I mean, you can create art in a different way but in a traditional way is not the best device, and you can't really do serious video editing, I mean, you can do stuff in a very exciting way, but at least yet, is far from the mac experience.
I dont know about writing blogs or office work, but yet, the device is too expensive and awkward to wear vs doing that in a Macbook Air.
I guess this device is awesome for new uses cases so better not compare to a traditional PC/Tablet, and there is people already juicing the best of the Vision Pro.
I think AVP is not intended to be the iPhone sustitute either the mac substitute in a medium-short term, but a new tool with different possibilities for specific users, a complement device for new needs. So not a mainstream (yet) product until future needs and hardware evolutions be conducive.
As a designer. In My mind, it's a Tool to help others facets of completing tasks. It's not an end of a means; it's a tool to enhance creativity. I don't know what type of state-of-the-art facilities you are referring to, so I don't know the usage of Vision Pro. I am one of the first to use AutoCAD design as a study tool for design as a student, Years ago. It depends on how the users feel about the idea of using new technology in their field of expertise.
 
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