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At Congressional Hearing Apple Says 'The World is Watching' iPhone Unlocking Battle

Just finished watching the initial PBS review (News Hour and they did a very poor job of covering even the basic issues. Focused primarily on Comey and Vance. All else received a mention.

Watching the News reports on this after watching the entire event today, it is beyond sad to see what the varying news agencies do with the information they have. This appears to be the "marketing" aspect; the headlines.
 
Speaking of legal precedence, the FBI has no authority to comment about precedence. The minute it said it's not trying to set a precedence is lie #1.

Oh but wait, Comey was injected with truth serum and finally acknowledged that this would set a precedence.
 
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Funny how the pro big government liberals here are against the FBI simply because it is their iPhones that may be affected.

Hussein and his band of men are another Pro Government faction. The flip flops are so very evident. Hypocrisy, the very element Apple relies on, has been a staple of POTUS operations for far too long

It's all a big lie.
 
maxsix said:
Funny how the pro big government liberals here are against the FBI simply because it is their iPhones that may be affected.

Hussein and his band of men are another Pro Government faction. The flip flops are so very evident. Hypocrisy, the very element Apple relies on, has been a staple of POTUS operations for far too long

It's all a big lie.
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Interesting reality you live in. Wouldn't want to live there. Sounds like you do enjoy it.
 
maxsix said:
Funny how the pro big government liberals here are against the FBI simply because it is their iPhones that may be affected.
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Wait.. I thought liberals used Android and conservatives used Apple.

Regardless, I don't think anyone actually supports Apple here. They are supporting Privacy and Freedom. It just happens that Apple is the face of that side of the case. Don't confuse this as having anything to do with Apple specifically, because it doesn't. The only people who think that are ignorant of what's actually at stake.
 
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.. well couldn't Apple technically do the code so it will be paired only with the IMEI in hardware on the device?

That way u can only use it once to brute force this one phone.
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You seem to be under the impression that this case is about one particular phone. It's not really. This case was hand selected by the FBI for the purpose of setting legal precedent. It's about the future.
 
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I was actually impressed that not all the questions were stupid. Even more surprised at the knowledge of the security analyst. Comey couldn't give a single straight answer and kept saying it's for the judges to decide and basically was trying to dismiss all responsibility if things go awry. And the idiot that kept asking a lawyer to write legislation, there and now. That's his damn job. Looked like he was pissed and sounded like no one else understood what he was asking for. Hate that guy...well not him, just his attitude. All in all, I thought it went well.

But this is a scary fight. It feels like the FBI wants legislation to pass without thought and in fear of the "terrorists" like the laws post 9/11 were passed. Not sure it will fly this time; or at least I hope not.
 
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If Apple developed the software, its easy for them to build it in to the system software and roll it out in the next update. But if the FBI developed something, they have no mechanism for installing it on your phone.
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If Apple developed this special software, China could ask for it in order for Apple to do any business in their country (not only sales, but ALL iPhone and MacBook manufacturing). Goodbye Apple.

If the FBI or NSA (et.al.) developed the capability, and China asked for it, the feds would likely just laugh at them... "what software??? we don't have any software... just like your country doesn't have any hackers :p"
 
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The Government wants to stop terrorism than just nuke goat ****ers oh wait America the ******* and the circus thanks to Obama and Donald Trump.
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maxsix said:
Funny how the pro big government liberals here are against the FBI simply because it is their iPhones that may be affected.

Hussein and his band of men are another Pro Government faction. The flip flops are so very evident. Hypocrisy, the very element Apple relies on, has been a staple of POTUS operations for far too long

It's all a big lie.
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Donald Drumpft wants his hair back.
 
Tech198 said:
And how would anyone do that but Apple ? which of course they would refuse to do since the FBI had now got access to what they were after on one device.?

just coming from a different point of view...

Apple controls this, not the FBI. so why should Apple hand anything over... Apple does at their facilities, and hands the phone to the FBI, so they can brute force it... Only Apple can do the IMEI Not the FBI, which would require new firmware only for that only device, but that's allot better the the FBI getting keys for all devices.
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1. FBI itself has about a dozen iPhones that they want unlocked -- those are the ones just in the public record. Who knows how many more they have under seal. Then there are other law enforcement agencies with iPhones they want unlocked. New York alone has 170. They'll all be lining up to ask for judges to order Apple to unlock those phones, and since Apple already would have the software and only need to swap out the IMEI, they could hardly refuse.

2. There's something fundamentally wrong that you seem to be willing to trust Apple, a private for-profit organization, to keep secure software that could be used to unlock all existing iPhones. If the FBI isn't trustworthy, why is Apple any more trustworthy? It just takes one bad "apple" (sorry for the pun) to make a copy of the iPhone unlock software and the instructions for how to change the IMEI, and walk out of Apple and hand it to terrorists, foreign governments, cyber hackers, etc, and we are all screwed.
 
Night Spring said:
1. FBI itself has about a dozen iPhones that they want unlocked -- those are the ones just in the public record. Who knows how many more they have under seal. Then there are other law enforcement agencies with iPhones they want unlocked. New York alone has 170. They'll all be lining up to ask for judges to order Apple to unlock those phones, and since Apple already would have the software and only need to swap out the IMEI, they could hardly refuse.

2. There's something fundamentally wrong that you seem to be willing to trust Apple, a private for-profit organization, to keep secure software that could be used to unlock all existing iPhones. If the FBI isn't trustworthy, why is Apple any more trustworthy? It just takes one bad "apple" (sorry for the pun) to make a copy of the iPhone unlock software and the instructions for how to change the IMEI, and walk out of Apple and hand it to terrorists, foreign governments, cyber hackers, etc, and we are all screwed.
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What if Apple stores the software on a locked iPhone?
 
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redscull said:
Wait.. I thought liberals used Android and conservatives used Apple.

Regardless, I don't think anyone actually supports Apple here. They are supporting Privacy and Freedom. It just happens that Apple is the face of that side of the case. Don't confuse this as having anything to do with Apple specifically, because it doesn't. The only people who think that are ignorant of what's actually at stake.
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This really. IT has been heading on this path for a while. Data breach after data breach. Leak after leak. The old paradigm of the key under the flower pot electronically speaking has been fading. More dead locked encryption has grown in use. And desirability. Data obtained not how it was meant to be....is now wanted to be tight as hell security wise. That has now exceeded the governments abilities (in theory....one of my tin foil hats is the NSA cracked this long ago and doesn't want to give that info to the public) is not the data encryptors problem. This is capitalism. You find a service/product. you make it the best you can, you make lots of money selling that.


If not apple it be someone else using designed non-reversible tech. I tbh am only happy its Apple with the wallet to put up a good fight. And not some small startup who unless they find a very generous lawyer team to do some hellacious pro bono work over a long while would fold in.

That seeing security like this scares them...scares me as well. How the hell are they encrypting thier data in case of breach? Oh wait...OPM breach , have my answer. And my letter from the gov. with a code for free ID/credit checks for a few years . Its not hard to be me...my data is out there somewhere.
 
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Tech198 said:
.. well couldn't Apple technically do the code so it will be paired only with the IMEI in hardware on the device?

That way u can only use it once to brute force this one phone.
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If I remember correctly the OS is not able to access the imei as it is tangled with the secure enclave.
 
maxsix said:
Funny how the pro big government liberals here are against the FBI simply because it is their iPhones that may be affected.

Hussein and his band of men are another Pro Government faction. The flip flops are so very evident. Hypocrisy, the very element Apple relies on, has been a staple of POTUS operations for far too long

It's all a big lie.
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OK WTF are you trying to say??? This reads like you posted while drunk.
 
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Dear FBI,

Please consider this is your last warning. The terrorists are moving onto other forms of communications if you guys force them to do so.
 
B4U said:
Dear FBI,

Please consider this is your last warning. The terrorists are moving onto other forms of communications if you guys force them to do so.
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They only have like a few hundred different forms of non-american encryption to use and all kinds of devices or methods to apply the use. It's just... a few. :D
 
Atlantico said:
Rooting for terrorists, not Apple. And this is an American thing, you are not subject to American law. Your data is, will be and can accessed according to your country's laws. Nothing that happens in the US will change that.
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For everyone saying this, imagine if this was being debated in a different country. Instead of terrorism, it's about Apple being forced to unlock (which backdoor or not, brute-force on 6 didgets is basically instant) a US spy's phone that potentially contains contact information about other spys or contains national secrets. It's not a big leap. I say this as an American.

Imagine the same situation with China and an American with a Huawei phone. Right now it seems taboo, but the FBI is setting a precedent wether they want to or not.
 
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firewood said:
If Apple developed this special software, China could ask for it in order for Apple to do any business in their country (not only sales, but ALL iPhone and MacBook manufacturing). Goodbye Apple.

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China could require Apple to unlock an iPhone right now, whether the U.S. does or not. It could ban the sale of Apple products in China and confiscate and destroy all Apple property in China. A U.S. law requiring the hack may make it more palatable, but no provision of international law requires China to follow U.S. municipal law. Of course there are diplomatic consequences to consider, but it's China's decision.
 
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