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AT&T 3G Availability Map, 3G Data Plan Only Option

Let AT&T know about this

I urge anyone not happy with the new plan to contact AT&T and let them know. Nothing is set in stone yet and we have a month to complain about it. I was assured by an AT&T rep yesterday that text messages would be included but that details weren't finalized yet. Even if that is partially true, that means that we as the customers have time to convince them to change what we feel is unfair to us. So instead of complaining here (where AT&T will never read this) call or write to them.
 
I've got a quick question - when I get the new one (I'm in a 3G area - both for home and work) and I give/sell my current iPhone to friend/family are they going to be forced to pay $30 even though it's a 1st gen iPhone? That would be pretty ridiculous...

Also - no word yet on corporate discounts?
 
LVdustin said:
No, because the standard rate plan for 3G is 30 dollars...and you have to activate the phone at AT&T...so of course they wouldn't allow you to keep your old data plan, when the policy is you have to have a 3G data plan for 30 dollars.
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Ummm...... Why would I have to activate it in store if its a refurb or used...
I'll repeat the question now for the 3rd time, Please READ it before responding!!!
If I were to buy my 3G iphone used or refurbed do you think I could then just swap my SIM (from my current iphone) and place it in the 3G, keeping the same monthly fee?
 
ciscored said:
Ummm...... Why would I have to activate it in store if its a refurb or used...
I'll repeat the question now for the 3rd time, Please READ it before responding!!!
If I were to buy my 3G iphone used or refurbed do you think I could then just swap my SIM (from my current iphone) and place it in the 3G, keeping the same monthly fee?
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Yes. Assuming it's from the same company. The thing is, the Phone is locked to only their cards. Now, if the sim is on another network (i.e. other company) than the locked phone it's highly unlikely it'll work.

If it's unlocked there should be no problems whatsoever.
 
nanolover said:
...not to back up AT&T, but it is easy to forget how sparsely populated most of the country is...if you compare their coverage to a population density map, it doesn't look quite as pathetic...my guess is a large percentage (not large enough) will have accessiblity to 3g...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States
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Last time I crunched the numbers AT&T's 3G coverage covers more people than the population of any country in Europe (I'm not including Russia). It's basically about 85 million people with their latest expansion and the biggest country in Europe is Germany (according to Wiki) at 83 million. So, no, it's not nearly as bad as many make it out to be. Of course % wise we're still only talking about 1/4th of the population being in a 3G area (where they live). I'd bet it's quite a bit more when talking about where people work - closer to 1/3.

I do feel bad for all those people in the northern plain states with absolutely no 3G coverage at all.
 
ciscored said:
Ummm...... Why would I have to activate it in store if its a refurb or used...
I'll repeat the question now for the 3rd time, Please READ it before responding!!!
If I were to buy my 3G iphone used or refurbed do you think I could then just swap my SIM (from my current iphone) and place it in the 3G, keeping the same monthly fee?
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I understood your question all three times because it's the same question I'm asking. No one has provided an answer to it yet. Let me try asking it.

1. I bought an iPhone on June 29. I have AT&T and always have. Therefore I have an AT&T iPhone SIM.
2. Let's say that I acquire an iPhone 3G in September or October that I have bought as a refurb from Apple or used from another person.
3. What is the likelihood that I can take my SIM from my existing iPhone and place it into my new, used iPhone 3G and have it work? Thereby avoiding the hassle that has prompted thousands of angry posts on MR in the last three days?
 
Software update is what is most important

I personally am not really concerned with the talk about the plans/pricing, because I'm perfectly happy with my 1st gen iPhone (16gb). I think that the deployment of the iPhone 2.0 software is what was most important about Monday's announcement. The inclusion of ActiveSync support and 3rd party apps, as well as some stability and speed improvements, will dramatically improve my iPhone experience.

The iPhone hasn't even been around for a year and it is already a cultural phenomenon. Geez, give it time. The reality here is that Apple spoils us so frequently with unbelievably fast R&D and product deployments (compared to other companies) that we have grown to expect (ney, demand and feel entitled to) everything-all of time-right away, etc.

But then again, there really is not use for forums like this other than rampant complaining, so carry on.
 
new to iphone

I don't know much about iphones and was wondering if anyone can help.

3G iphones are being charged extra $10/mo. This surcharge also applies to people who don't live in hot spots. So even though they will use Edge or wifi, they will still be charged.

I was wondering...If I get the 1st generation iphone on July 11th, would I still be able to get the current $20 data fee?

$10 surcharge does not really make sense to me.

1st of all, it is not available in many areas.
They announce the lower price of new iphones, but if you calculate the cost of surcharge PLUS TAX, your final cost would probably be around $500.
$199 + $10X24 + TAX = hell of alot. It seems like a pricing scheme.....
 
ciscored said:
Ummm...... Why would I have to activate it in store if its a refurb or used...
I'll repeat the question now for the 3rd time, Please READ it before responding!!!
If I were to buy my 3G iphone used or refurbed do you think I could then just swap my SIM (from my current iphone) and place it in the 3G, keeping the same monthly fee?
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Here's what someone else got back from AT&T, which may or may not answer our question:

I got an email back from an ATT rep saying that the $30 a month plan will include 200 texts just as the old plan.

Dear Mr. Shepard,

Thank you for taking the time to e-mail AT&T to see if the sim card for
your iPhone will work in a new 3G iPhone, to see if your old iPhone can
be sold to an existing customer, and to see if the $30 a month unlimited
plan includes 200 text messages. I am happy to help you with your
inquiry.

When the new 3G iPhone is available, you will need to use the new sim
card that comes with the phone. Your old sim card would no longer work
and could not be used with another mobile number.

You will be able to sell your old iPhone to a current AT&T customer.

The $30.00 iPhone data plan will include 200 messages like the former
iPhone plan.

I encourage you to visit our web site (www.att.com/wireless) often to
view current and previous monthly statements, make payments and to shop
for new product and service offerings. Thank you Mr. Shepard, for
allowing the new AT&T to serve as your wireless company for the last few
years. We will do our best to ensure that your wireless experience is a
success.

Sincerely,

Amy Blakey
AT&T
Online Customer Care Professional
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https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/5577796/
 
I certainly hope that it will include the 200 text messages. If that's true then the new data plan is worth the extra $10. This is not a "surcharge" like someone else wrote, $30 is how much they charge for all AT&T smartphones running 3G. I just didn't want to spend another $5 for texts. Then it would have been $15 more which almost twice as much as before. Thanks for passing on the email from AT&T. I hope there is an official announcement on this from AT&T soon to confirm it.
 
AT&T Email contact

I want to make a formal complaint to AT&T about their pricing structure.

Does anyone have a direct email address (not the website where they make you sign in)?
 
GeekLawyer said:
Here's what someone else got back from AT&T, which may or may not answer our question:

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/5577796/
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Thanks!

Interesting though, it seems AT&T is dancing around the issue. If you read "Your old sim card would no longer work and could not be used with another mobile number."

They did not mention that the old Sim card wouldn't work with a new phone, only that it wouldn't work with a new number.
 
kangle said:
Perhaps someone can tell me if 3G service connectivity/coverage should be any different. When 3G service is "rolled out" what exactly is being done? Are additional towers added or anything done that would make one expect that dropped calls would be reduced.
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You will love it.

The network and your handset co-operate to hand over mid-call to another band / technology (850MHz GSM / 1900MHz UMTS / 850MHz UMTS) that it can receive better to prevent the call from dropping.
 
Looks like good resale for 2G iPhone

AT&T will continue to offer the cheaper/current rate plan for the original 2G iPhones until further notice according to MSNBC. This should help maintain the resale price for the current iPhones as people that don't need GPS and don't have 3G service in their areas may want to pick-up a 2G model with the 2.0 software. Also, the in-store activation is going to really cut into the number of unlocked iPhones up for sale. Sim-unlocked and Jailbroken 2G iPhones are going to be real popular here an abroad. I'm hoping to be able to sell my current generation iPhone for enough to at least cover the cost of buying a 3G model.
 
Portugal's Vodafone 3G and 3G HSPA up to 3.6 Mbits (7.2 Mbits only in large cities) map.

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No thanks

I was excited about the iPod 3G but now after the data plan I don't care about it anymore. I mean $30 bucks a month? come on! Thats as much as I pay for my high speed internet to my house. Economy is too bad right now to be locked into a contract. Someone should start a petition.
 
So is there anyway to pay less than 60 dollars a month for the 1gen iphone while still using at&t? I have a crappy phone but im only paying 40 dollars a month (mad saved rollover). I thought it was stupid to have to pay a 75% higher phone bill when I didnt even have 3g, and don´t care about data because i literally have wifi access (college) 24/7. I just wanted a gps/new phone/ipod all in one.

But no matter what (even with jailbreaking/unlocking) the MINIMUM i can pay to have a 1st iphone is 60 dollars a month thru at&t? compared to only 10 more for a 3g iphone?

This sucks I DONT NEED DATA, ill pay 600 for the phone.. i just dont want a damn contract or a data plan.. why can´t this be a an option!?
 
todavidjensen said:
I was excited about the iPod 3G but now after the data plan I don't care about it anymore. I mean $30 bucks a month? come on! Thats as much as I pay for my high speed internet to my house. Economy is too bad right now to be locked into a contract. Someone should start a petition.
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What the hell is wrong with you people... Its the same price as all other 3G phones and cheaper then some other unlimited data plans. If you cant afford it thats understandable but for people that actually need data this isnt a big deal.

The iPhone is more then a phone and if you want to use it you have to pay a premium just like with a Blackjack, Blackberry, or Treo. What is so hard to understand about that?
 
DeuceDeuce said:
If you are willing to pay $600 for the phone then why not pay $200 and use that extra $400 for the data fees.
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Or - since you don't want a contract or a data plan they have something for you - it's called an iPod Touch. Wouldn't be surprised if around Christmas time after full iPhone 3G insanity has died down that either 1 - someone will make a GPS add-on for the touch (complete with software) or Apple will release a GPS loaded Touch. (I'm actually leaning towards the first since I doubt Apple would willingly allow that type of cannibalization of the iPhone).
 
any 1st gen iPhones for sale?

I was going to sell my 1st gen iPhone and buy two 3G's. (one for me and one for my wife) After speaking with an AT&T rep and learning all the add-on costs involved, the 1st gen iPhone is probably the way I want to go.

If you have a 16Gb that is NOT unlocked OR jailbroken, let's talk...
 
Amen!!!!

DeuceDeuce said:
What the hell is wrong with you people... Its the same price as all other 3G phones and cheaper then some other unlimited data plans. If you cant afford it thats understandable but for people that actually need data this isnt a big deal.

The iPhone is more then a phone and if you want to use it you have to pay a premium just like with a Blackjack, Blackberry, or Treo. What is so hard to understand about that?
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Finally someone with some sense in here. This is what I've been trying to tell these whiners already!

This is a niche product, people. You don't NEED to have the iPhone. Complain about the quality of your tap water or about the high price of groceries or gas, if you want. If you don't like the pricing plan for the iPhone, which is perfectly reasonable in my opinion, THEN DON'T GET IT!!!!!

Duct tape an iPod touch together with your crappy cell phone and call it a day. People have been crying about the iPhone not having 3G since the day it came out and now they're stunned that it costs more a month to have. If the iPhone had stayed the same price that might have been a legitimate gripe if you don't have access to 3G in your area, but ultimately it costs almost the same over 2 years then before. Do the math.
 
Maybe it is just me, but since $30 is the standard rate for (EDGE) Blackberries and WM6 devices, why should the new iPhone be any different? iPhone users will likely use more data than the previously mentioned PDA types, and supports the full browser (not a WAP browser like the vanilla phones). If it is the same cost structure, why should the iPhone receive any different pricing?

Same with enterprise data...$45 is the standard rate...

Maybe it is just me, but I just spent 25 dollars to take my wife to a 2 hour movie (which blew). One dollar a day gets me unlimited 24/7 Internet browsing with broadband speed in the most populated areas in the country...I'll bite.

Too bad we can't just pirate and download 3G service amirite? I'm no corporate lacky, but I firmly believe that the consumers are just as unfair to businesses as they claim the businesses are to them. AT&T is subsidizing the phone, why should they be expected to discount the data as well...because the people buying it are apple lackeys?
 
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