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So, it is true?... :(
 
Or better yet spend just a fraction of the cost of actually upgrading your network, and spend a few mil on ads trying to trick consumers.

Anyone noticed in the new AT&T commercial where he's standing on the giant map, he mentions everywhere AT&T has coverage, but not 3G coverage. All the while mentioning Verizon's map, which do show 3G coverage areas.

Yeah I caught that, I find it rather interesting that AT&T is doing to Verizon what they are "Crying Foul" on.
 
ATT's ads were just bs. Verizons ads showed 3g coverage while Att's maps showed 2g coverage. Ether in my opinion.

Or better yet spend just a fraction of the cost of actually upgrading your network, and spend a few mil on ads trying to trick consumers.

Anyone noticed in the new AT&T commercial where he's standing on the giant map, he mentions everywhere AT&T has coverage, but not 3G coverage. All the while mentioning Verizon's map, which do show 3G coverage areas.

Yeah, its so cheap to upgrade your network. lol.
 
The fun thing is the Droid touts all it does yet I notice it doesn't do multi-touch or video recording or editing or a slew of other things. As per browsing faster via WiFi, it doesn't. Gee sure does a lot doesn't it?
The Droid hardware is capable of multi-touch (the European version of the Droid even has multi-touch support out of the box). The US version doesn't have it, but noone is saying why (a lot of the rumors revolve around Apple's patents on multitouch preventing it in the US). Anyway, there's an app that allows multitouch to work on the Droid:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/183390/android_answers_how_to_get_multitouch_browsing_on_droid.html

As someone else mentioned, it does do video recording, and as for video editing, well, "there's an app for that", too.

So not quite sure where you're getting your info.
 
Yes it does.

AFAIK, the US version doesn't have multitouch. The Motorola Milestone (EU version) does though.

Same thing for the HTC Hero. It's just a matter of patent bullying since both devices are capable of multi touch.

edit:bafflefish beat me to it.
 
Good. ATT provides an inferior product, and didn't like the fact that Verizon could make a compelling case against them using their own maps. Put up or shut up. Perhaps now they can put some of those legal dollars into network improvements (we can dream, right?)
 
Hopefully all of this nonsense will help both sides get better. The iPhone has been relatively stagnant since it's debuted and all these competitors are coming out now and shaking up the market. Apple needs to turn the market upside down again. Right now Android 2.0 looks extremely promising.

It's not about the phones and what they do, it's about what they can do on the surface, it's about what they are capable of doing. The iPhone can be almost anything you want it to due to the App Store. The Droid and the other phones from Sprint and Verizon don't have an App Store, or at least one that big enough for anyone to care. Apple doesn't have to soup up the iPhone just because there are more players to the game.

Every year there that gadget that is suppose to be an iPod or iPhone killer, it has never happened.
 
AFAIK, the US version doesn't have multitouch. The Motorola Milestone (EU version) does though.

Same thing for the HTC Hero. It's just a matter of patent bullying since both devices are capable of multi touch.

edit:bafflefish beat me to it.

The droid does support multi-touch but it's up to the application developers to use it. An example of a multi-touch capable app on the Droid.

Strangely enough, The Motorola Milestone (GSM Droid) is supposed to have multi-touch throughout the phone, even on the Motorola supplied software.
 
The droid's video recording is actually decent and pretty hi-res. the .3gp files it generated play fine in VLC.

720x480 video at a little less than 3mb/s, not too bad.
 
The iPhone has been relatively stagnant since it's debuted and all these competitors are coming out now and shaking up the market. Apple needs to turn the market upside down again. Right now Android 2.0 looks extremely promising.

Yeah, those 100,000 apps are just a drop in the bucket compared to the millions upon millions of Droid apps. I used to see lots of iPhones out there, but it is now so old fashion, no one would be caught dead seen with an iPhone now-a-days. :rolleyes:

Of course, with 388 negative comments about Apple since you registered with the site, I shouldn't be surprised by your comment.
 
It's about time!

Those _____s at AT&T thought they could pull a fast one.

Instead of fixing their service so that the accurate exposure of their system's faults by competitors would have no ground, they decided to use deception and fraudulent legal claims to persuade the public and legal officials that their competitors are not being truthful and are not playing "fair".

Who in God's earth is advising these guys on what courses of action to take?
 
Hopefully all of this nonsense will help both sides get better. The iPhone has been relatively stagnant since it's debuted and all these competitors are coming out now and shaking up the market. Apple needs to turn the market upside down again. Right now Android 2.0 looks extremely promising.

Stagnant?

Nothing out there compares. And it's been two years. The 3GS was released in June. 100,000 apps already.

And the next iPhone is released, the competition will be sent back to the drawing board, as usual.

What competitors are "shaking up the market"? No-strategy Nokia, (face)Palm? RIM (LOL)? All we have now is the Droid, which is no iPhone.

The market is slowly expanding . . . with alot of garbage and another "iPhone killer" to add to the ever-growing pile. The shake-up already happened. It was in June 2007.
 


Dow Jones Newswires reports in a brief note that AT&T's lawsuit against Verizon regarding Verizon's recent ad campaigns targeting AT&T's 3G coverage has been dismissed.The court's rejection of AT&T's request for a restraining order barring Verizon from airing ads using map-based comparisons of 3G coverage had slated a December 16th date for arguments in the suit, but AT&T has apparently decided not to pursue legal remedy regarding this issue.

Digital Daily also reports that Verizon has dropped a related lawsuit against AT&T, suggesting that the two companies may have come to a mutual agreement to drop their legal battle in what has been seen by many as a waste of time and money and a generator of bad publicity for the companies.

Article Link: AT&T and Verizon Drop Lawsuits Over Ad Campaigns

AT&T finally figured out that the Verizon ads are not deceptive. Clowns! (AT&T)
 
The ads and lawsuits showed everyone how sucky their service is. This was a good public service. Now they are going to keep quiet, provide the same bad service, and make money without having to compete.

The agreement to stop the ads is simply collusion.

I don't believe there is an agreement to stop the ads...just an agreement to drop the lawsuits...
 
Stagnant?

Nothing out there compares. And it's been two years. The 3GS was released in June. 100,000 apps already.

And the next iPhone is released, the competition will be sent back to the drawing board, as usual.

What competitors are "shaking up the market"? No-strategy Nokia, (face)Palm? RIM (LOL)? All we have now is the Droid, which is no iPhone.

The market is slowly expanding . . . with alot of garbage and another "iPhone killer" to add to the ever-growing pile. The shake-up already happened. It was in June 2007.

Agreed. I still wonder what is next for the iPhone though. Faster processor? Higher res screen? Front facing camera? UI tweaks? I can't imagine using any other phone, and it's been that way since June 2007.
 
The droid does support multi-touch but it's up to the application developers to use it. An example of a multi-touch capable app on the Droid.

Strangely enough, The Motorola Milestone (GSM Droid) is supposed to have multi-touch throughout the phone, even on the Motorola supplied software.

But if the built-in apps don't use it, that's a major problem. IIRC the on-screen keyboard isn't even multitouch, maps can't be pinch-zoomed, etc. (in the U.S.)
 
But if the built-in apps don't use it, that's a major problem. IIRC the on-screen keyboard isn't even multitouch, maps can't be pinch-zoomed, etc. (in the U.S.)

I agree that is a problem.

I just can not understand why multitouch isn't across the board with the Droid when the Milestone (and Android for that matter) both support the technology.

Perhaps it's an upgrade path they want to take, something like a newer, improved Droid (now with multitouch!). :)
 
Why not just focus on the difference between CDMA and GSM, along with the actual 3G speeds of each technology?

For example, talk about how almost the world uses GSM and that you can use unlocked GSM phones from anywhere on AT&T.
 
Why not just focus on the difference between CDMA and GSM, along with the actual 3G speeds of each technology?

For example, talk about how almost the world uses GSM and that you can use unlocked GSM phones from anywhere on AT&T.

It is because some people are cheapskates and wont pay full price for an unlocked phone. Especially when they can get a locked iPhone for only 99 dollars...
 
Yeah, those 100,000 apps are just a drop in the bucket compared to the millions upon millions of Droid apps....

.100,000 apps already.

LOL. Remember when Apple fans dismissed the stats that Windows had more applications with the "but the Apple apps are higher quality" line? Today is seems that "more fart apps" is an Apple advantage. How times change....


Why not just focus on the difference between CDMA and GSM,...

For example, talk about how almost the world uses GSM and that you can use unlocked GSM phones from anywhere on AT&T.

This is a geek argument - I'd wager that 99% of the people on the street wouldn't know if their phone is CDMA or GSM, and 98% wouldn't care. Business people who often travel internationally might care, but not the majority. Don't base an ad campaign on tech buzzwords that most of the audience won't understand.

Same thing with the "CDMA can't do data and voice at the same time" argument. Most people put the phone against their head to use the device as a phone, and hold it in front of themselves to do data. You won't convince these people that CDMA is broken.


Why not just focus on the difference between CDMA and GSM, along with the actual 3G speeds of each technology?

The last thing that AT&T wants to talk about is "actual" 3G speeds. They want to talk about theoretical speeds, not the speeds that their inadequate network delivers.

Being a Verizon customer, I know that my 3G speeds meet or beat my Iphone-using friends. And I can tether....
 
LOL. Remember when Apple fans dismissed the stats that Windows had more applications with the "but the Apple apps are higher quality" line? Today is seems that "more fart apps" is an Apple advantage. How times change....

it's 100,000 apps. On a handheld. Not a computer. That's a big deal. And all the highest quality apps of anyone's app store are on Apple's App Store.

Big difference.
 
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