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AT&T and Verizon Drop Lawsuits Over Ad Campaigns

Should they really ever have started? I'ts obvious they just gave up because it's. . weeell . . true. Fixer-up time. ;)
 
Does this mean AT&T is snapping out of it and planning on making their network less craptacular? :eek:

Good news all around.
 
farmboy said:
And yet you and a lot of others here constantly talk about specs on the computer side, when in most cases they are either irrelevant to, or completely dependent on other components, processes, and software, regarding the actual speed at which a computer performs tasks. It's ALL theoretical.
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Perhaps it's because he's proven to be the biggest hypocrite on this forum, and not surprisingly, manages to surpass himself.
 
Abercrombieboy said:
I agree with this. I have been on this site for a long time and I do like Apple products, but I understand there are other great products out there as well. Apple is not perfect and neither is any other company. I enjoy using my iMac and iPods, but I also enjoy using my Motorola Droid. When a company puts out a good product whether it be Mac OSX, iPod, Droid or even Windows 7 I will take a look at it and judge it on it's merits not on it's brand.

I think the biggest issue that people have is with the blind fanboys that put brand before anything else. No matter if the product is good or bad if it has an Apple logo it must be amazing. Apple has great products like the Mac, iPhone, iPod, but it also has also made it's share of mistakes over the years. One could also argue there is an "Apple tax" that one must pay when they choose an Apple product even though on the inside it is no different from the competition.

I like Apple, but I am not a blind follower that bases most of my buying decision on brand alone. I think the people who discredit other products based on brand alone should be labeled a fanboy. That is just my observation and opinion.
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Agreed.

I don't think anyone comes here expecting a Windows love fest. But it gets ridiculous reading some of (sometimes provoked) irrationally biased posts from the usual suspects. Giving credit to others besides Apple doesn't mean you love them any less.

I come here for tips and information but often times treated to apple haters or devout SJ cultists. (must be entertaining me though as I continue to read them)
 
psukhu said:
For example, talk about how almost the world uses GSM and that you can use unlocked GSM phones from anywhere on AT&T.
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You can. But why? Unlocking of GSM phones is an AT&T escape hatch, not a means to subject yourself to their horrible customer service, network and pricing. The AT&T/Apple exclusivity agreement spawned a whole new unlocking industry. I can guarantee you wouldn't have seen the same amount of writhing to escape T-Mobile.
 
cmaier said:
Again, the fact that these were "day 1 things" doesn't change the fact that the iphone today is a very different beast than was the original 2G iphone upon release, and that, even today, there still isn't an "iphone killer." The phone has changed enough to keep ahead of the competition, even if the changes SHOULD have been there from the start.
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His point (while somewhat lost in bad grammar and punctuation) is basically true. And your statement that Apple will stay "ahead" of the competition is absurd. The point of his statement is that the missing things that were not there on day 1 put the iPhone BEHIND the competition at the time. That's not to say that the INTERFACE of the iPhone, and the large web browser were not game changers. They were. But the competition is catching up on that front (some would say the Droid has surpassed Apple there).

But let's think objectively here. Apple released an expensive phone that didn't have many of the behind the scenes technical features of the competition. In the time since, they have released two more iterations of it, and many, many fanboys (please give me a better, more accurate word and I'll used it) have rushed out to replace their earlier versions, just so they can have the latest and greatest shiny little toy that Apple puts out. Don't blame Apple. They're smart enough to know their target demographics, and are taking it to the bank.
 
rdlink said:
His point (while somewhat lost in bad grammar and punctuation) is basically true. And your statement that Apple will stay "ahead" of the competition is absurd. The point of his statement is that the missing things that were not there on day 1 put the iPhone BEHIND the competition at the time.
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Which is why everyone and their dog were trying to copy it furiously, and still are?

The iPhone is the device that changed the entire smartphone game overnight. As a complete pacakge - OS + hardware, it was, and still is, unbeatable.

The whole "missing features" argument is bunk. The industry and consumers themselves have decided which features are important, and it's all about the OS, the apps, the overall user experience. Any POS phone can be crammed with "features."
 
Rodimus Prime said:
I do not suspect they will do any real changes to the iPhone for a while. What ever they come up with in this summer I suspect will be minor updates being mostly hardware updates in size.

Short of releasing a new phone like a iPhone nano it will be minor updates. The biggest thing I could see them doing is stepping away from ATT and releasing the iPhone on Verizon.
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The current iPhone 3G S is HSDPA.

Many of the world's carriers are currently rolling out HSPA+ or have already rolled it out in 2009. Keep in mind the US is just a slice of the entire global market. Releasing a model compatible with these networks would be an upgrade.

Beyond HSPA+ is LTE. In the US, all of the CDMA carriers are making the leap to GSM by rolling out LTE. (Except for Sprint, which is sticking with WiMAX) AT&T is skipping HSPA+ and going directly to LTE. T-Mobile USA decided they can roll out HSPA+ instead of LTE, and charge less money to customers.

Will Verizon have LTE rolled out by summer 2010?
 
In the next commercial Verizon needs to pull out a new ATT slogan "More dropped calls in more places."

I made 7 phone calls yesterday and dropped 6 of them (multiple drops on 2 of them). I had full 5 bars of service and was stationary in my house. I think Verizon should attack ATT and the iPhone even more on service issues.
 
Just saw on MDN a story about phone apps...

Here's the link

http://www.daniweb.com/news/story243360.html

It's about porn apps. Apple restricts this on iPhone but Google's Android OS, possibly, not so much.

"One area it could make a difference though is in bandwidth usage. Currently the Android only consumes about 11% of mobile bandwidth compared to 50% for the iPhone. Start throwing porn into the mix and the Android could soon start eating up the bandwidth like it is going out of fashion."

Bottom line, when Droid users start downloading their porn, Verizon will have no map big enough to cover the bandwidth demand that could result. iPhone users bitching about AT&T's network will long for the day being with AT&T if this pans out to be true! :eek:

AT&T could then run a tv commercial touting their bandwidth ("fastest 3G) versus Verizon, everyone waiting for their adult movie to download, and AT&T can say, "AT&T has bandwidth. Verizon and Droid, doesn't! Verizon, "There's a Whack for that!" :D
 
Rot'nApple said:
Just saw on MDN a story about phone apps...

Here's the link

http://www.daniweb.com/news/story243360.html

It's about porn apps. Apple restricts this on iPhone but Google's Android OS, possibly, not so much.

"One area it could make a difference though is in bandwidth usage. Currently the Android only consumes about 11% of mobile bandwidth compared to 50% for the iPhone. Start throwing porn into the mix and the Android could soon start eating up the bandwidth like it is going out of fashion."

Bottom line, when Droid users start downloading their porn, Verizon will have no map big enough to cover the bandwidth demand that could result. iPhone users bitching about AT&T's network will long for the day being with AT&T if this pans out to be true! :eek:

AT&T could then run a tv commercial touting their bandwidth ("fastest 3G) versus Verizon, everyone waiting for their adult movie to download, and AT&T can say, "AT&T has bandwidth. Verizon and Droid, doesn't! Verizon, "There's a Whack for that!" :D
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The iPhone already has acces to porn via Safari.
I don't see what that point that article is trying to make? There is probably more YouTube content viewed on both platforms than porn.
 
psukhu said:
The current iPhone 3G S is HSDPA.

Many of the world's carriers are currently rolling out HSPA+ or have already rolled it out in 2009. Keep in mind the US is just a slice of the entire global market. Releasing a model compatible with these networks would be an upgrade.

Beyond HSPA+ is LTE. In the US, all of the CDMA carriers are making the leap to GSM by rolling out LTE. (Except for Sprint, which is sticking with WiMAX) AT&T is skipping HSPA+ and going directly to LTE. T-Mobile USA decided they can roll out HSPA+ instead of LTE, and charge less money to customers.

Will Verizon have LTE rolled out by summer 2010?
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And these post scream about the massive miss understanding of cellular network works.
3G, HSPA+, CDMA, Edge (Verizon/Sprint) will be around for decades to come. Reason being is upgrade that entire network will take a long time and cost more than likely in the trillions to complete world wide. This means that those older networks will be running for years to come.
Apple can not skip HSPA+ because it will be come like Edge is now. Covering all aspects of the world and LTE for the longest time be limited to only major cities.
The old anolog system used in the first cell phones lasted for a long time because the network was already in place for it and so phones could always fall back on to it. Hell my old Verizon phone in 2004 would be on the old anolog system for a fair part of my drive home from college. Killed the battery like no tomorrow but it would fall back onto that network during the middle of no where areas.
Right now 3G is speeds is over kill for almost everything but tethering because of the limited screen size and processing power of cell phones. That screen size will always be a factor in the lack of need for more speed.
Either way 3G will be around for a long time and phones will need to support it to even play ball.
 
psukhu said:
In the US, all of the CDMA carriers are making the leap to GSM by rolling out LTE.
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Verizon is not changing to GSM to go LTE. Voice will still be handled on their CDMA network, but data will be shifted from EVDO Rev. A to LTE as time goes on. Phones that run on Verizon's network will still be CDMA phones, but will handle data by using LTE.
 
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