AT&T and Verizon Now Rolling Out C-Band 5G Spectrum

[DJC631]

UW up and working in B'ham. Pretty good coverage in my area, thankfully.

 

[ACHD]

T-Mobile uses the 600MHz band as their 5G UW band. It doesn't effect the airlines but does affect Verizon's ONTs video band with cell towers close to outdoor installations. Makes the video feed unwatchable in the 550-700MHz with MER in the 35-40dB range.

Tmobile uses 600 band for the regular 5g. their Version of Uw is as follows from their website.

• With Ultra Capacity 5G, you’ll experience a performance boost, a reliable connection in crowded locations, and speeds as fast as Wi-Fi.
• Look for the newly released
  
  or
  
  icon on your iPhone or Android screen to know when you’re in an area with our fastest speeds!
• Frequencies that can provide UC 5G:
  • Band n41 (2.5 GHz)
  • Band n258 (24 GHz)
  • Band n260 (39 GHz)
  • Band n261 (28 GHz)

T-Mobile uses the 600mhz for their Extended Range systems only.

• With Extended Range 5G, you’ll receive nationwide coverage, faster speeds than our 4G LTE and a reliable connection indoors and out from the big city to rural areas.
• Frequencies that can provide XR 5G:
  • Band n71 (600 MHz)

 

[BeatCrazy]

you should educate yourself before pointing fingers ... here is a good starting point: #113

Except that graphic is wrong. There is no carrier spectrum agreed to deployed above 3.8GHz, giving the same/more buffer between the carrier spectrum and the 4.2GHz band (that altimeters use) vs. what is already deemed as safe in Europe.

 

[JMStearnsX2]

All the 12 models support mm wave and C band. It's my understanding that VZW is not supporting MVNO's, so if you have one of those "runs on Verizon's network" services, you're probably not going to get it. You also have to be on the right plan with VZW.

It's a premium service right now, and probably in the foreseeable future.

US Mobile is one of those, and I got an email this morning that it was turned on for us.

 

[ghostface147]

All the 12 models support mm wave and C band. It's my understanding that VZW is not supporting MVNO's, so if you have one of those "runs on Verizon's network" services, you're probably not going to get it. You also have to be on the right plan with VZW.

It's a premium service right now, and probably in the foreseeable future.

Only the basic entry level Verizon plan doesn’t support it. The rest do. So not truly only premium plans.

 

[jz0309]

Except that graphic is wrong. There is no carrier spectrum agreed to deployed above 3.8GHz, giving the same/more buffer between the carrier spectrum and the 4.2GHz band (that altimeters use) vs. what is already deemed as safe in Europe.

I have no idea what you are trying to say.
ATT and VZ are deploying C-Band that supports up to 3.98GHz, in Europe they go up to 3.8GHz. The aviation altimeters operate between 4.2 and 4.4GHz, so that delta between the US 3.98 top is the concern…

 

[Analog Kid]

Except that graphic is wrong. There is no carrier spectrum agreed to deployed above 3.8GHz, giving the same/more buffer between the carrier spectrum and the 4.2GHz band (that altimeters use) vs. what is already deemed as safe in Europe.

FCC Releases C-Band Report & Order

www.tlp.law

3. Amend § 1.9005 by removing the word “and” at the end of paragraph (kk); removing the period at the end of paragraph (ll) and adding “; and” in its place; and adding paragraph (mm).

The addition reads as follows:

§ 1.9005 Included services.
*****
(mm) The 3.7 GHz Service in the 3.7-3.98 GHz band.

 

[Natzoo]

Umm. My LTE speeds are 42.3 down and my 5G UW speeds are 42.2 down.

Hmmmm

My 5G mmWave speeds exceed 1Gb, tho.

Shhhh 5G is the future

 

[Natzoo]

I have no idea what you are trying to say.
ATT and VZ are deploying C-Band that supports up to 3.98GHz, in Europe they go up to 3.8GHz. The aviation altimeters operate between 4.2 and 4.4GHz, so that delta between the US 3.98 top is the concern…

From what I understand, in Europe/Asia the 5G towers are angled down, have reduced power (near airports), and have slightly different frequencies. I am surprised it was allowed to be put online without all diligence (now that airlines are modifying and canceling flights).

 

[Momof2.1107]

I an confirm sightings of the elusive Verizon Wireless 5Guw "Yeti" for the first time in Delaware today along two separate parts of the Interstate highway. One up near the PA line, and one off the approach to the the DE Memorial Bridge. The area (Northern Delaware) I believe is part of the Philadelphia regional market.

5Guw wasn't live at my house when I left for work this morning (Philly 'Burbs) but I'm guessing this isn't like turning on a light switch, it takes time to filter down. Like the virus in "Independence Day"....

I last saw it when I was leaving Philly, near I’m assuming their stadium. I only saw it for a few seconds.

 

[dannyyankou]

Too bad with Verizon you need a more expensive data plan to take advantage of it. Although launching the C Band should free up bandwidth with their DSS 5G

 

[salimar]

All the 12 models support mm wave and C band. It's my understanding that VZW is not supporting MVNO's, so if you have one of those "runs on Verizon's network" services, you're probably not going to get it. You also have to be on the right plan with VZW.

It's a premium service right now, and probably in the foreseeable future.

US Mobile offers it.

Super LTE to Warp Speed 5G—a whole new way to connect | US Mobile

We are extremely excited to announce that our customers will now have full access to the entire spectrum of 5G — including low, medium, and high-band

www.usmobile.com

 

[Benjamin Nabulsi]

I have Verizon and live north Austin (Domain), I’m still on 5G and sometimes even LTE. ??‍♂️

I live in the North Austin domain as well with ATT, I only get one bar coverage, and call drops a lot.
FCC doesn't do any validation of coverage claims

 

[Benjamin Nabulsi]

the FAA is so incompetent, it's about time.

The same applies to the FCC.

 

[Prof.]

Okay tried it again, but this time on my iPad Pro, and got 109mbps down.

 

[iMas70]

I was under the impression that I’ve been in an area that has active 5G service through AT&T (Route 95 corridor in Rhode Island). But I’ve never seen any significant speeds with my iPhone 12 on a 5G plan. So has it not been available in this area for the last year? Their map showed that it has been.

 

[Thebrochure]

Not for too much longer though.

Plan Ahead for Phase Out of 3G Cellular Networks and Service

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www.fcc.gov

That wasn't the point lol. The point was that I am content with 3G speeds.

 

[3rdiguy]

I live in downtown Dallas and finally toggled the 5G On setting and I’ve been getting repeated dropped calls in some areas. I had used 5G Auto and then went back to only LTE due to negligible speeds and super spotty 5G UW. I’ve restarted multiple times and will see if it levels out over time

 

[Agent OrangeZ]

What I’m getting in the Chandler area.

Are you on Ultra Wideband? Your icon only says "5G" (although you are on an Android phone... so I am not familiar with what your particular phone displays for network connections.)

 

[lazyrighteye]

They can add whatever number they want in front of the G. Still not changing the fact I consistently get 0Gs in Denver.

 

[BeatCrazy]

I have no idea what you are trying to say.
ATT and VZ are deploying C-Band that supports up to 3.98GHz, in Europe they go up to 3.8GHz. The aviation altimeters operate between 4.2 and 4.4GHz, so that delta between the US 3.98 top is the concern…

They're stopping at 3.8GHz, as agreed to by the FCC, page 2.

https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/att-verizon-response-to-faa-dot.pdf

 

[BeatCrazy]

FCC Releases C-Band Report & Order

www.tlp.law

That's outdated. The new 'cap' the carriers + FCC have agreed to is now 3.8GHz.

 

[acardiel15]

I live in the North Austin domain as well with ATT, I only get one bar coverage, and call drops a lot.
FCC doesn't do any validation of coverage claims

100 percent agree. I can can’t get no service in yard house or much of the domain for that matter. Glad I’m not the only one paying a premium for no service. I’m hoping it improves.

 

[jntdroid]

US Mobile is one of those, and I got an email this morning that it was turned on for us.

How has US Mobile been for you? I’ve been super tempted to try them out as a cheaper alternative (we’re on Verizon right now), especially now that C-Band is being turned on, which I would assume will help with congestion. I’m just hesitant because the last time I tried a Verizon MVNO, it was useless during times of high congestion (I live in a large metro area).

 

[Analog Kid]

That's outdated. The new 'cap' the carriers + FCC have agreed to is now 3.8GHz.

No, the first phase of the rollout is up to 3.8GHz. Look at the letter you linked to-- "400 megahertz from the C-Band frequencies (3.7-3.8 MHz) that AT&T and Verizon will begin using in 2022 and at least 220 megahertz from any C-Band frequency authorized for use in the future." The phased roll out is to give the satcom companies time to repack their transmissions into the new spectrum. This is outlined in the original Report and Order.

For all their bluster about how other countries have done this, their solution is "for six months, until July 5, 2022, we will adopt the same C-Band radio exclusion zones that are already in use in France, with slight adaptation to reflect the modest technical differences in how C-band is being deployed in the two countries." In other words, C-band was deployed in France at lower power and with airport exclusion zones.

Also, France has only allocated 3.4 to 3.8GHz to C-band communications:

Airlines vs 5G: What is the issue and why it's only US problem - Times of India

Major international airlines rushed to rejig or cancel flights to the United States ahead of a 5G wireless rollout on Wednesday (January 19) that has

timesofindia.indiatimes.com