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AT&T says 65% of its smartphone customers use less than 200 MB a month, and 98% use less than 2 GB. [Source: http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2010-06-02-att-smartphone_N.htm]

With that in mind, and considering the data use of the 5 iPhones in my family, this move makes sense. 2 of the 5 would be fine with 200MB/month, and the other 3 (myself included) would be fine with 2GB/month...the highest usage any one of us has had from past usage history is about 1GB/month. And that's a lot of data for an iPhone, especially when you work on WiFi networks when available!

Yes, this move makes a lot a sense. It will save almost everybody money, except for the techies who visit sites like this, and 3G iPad owners. Hence all the negativity all around here. This lowers the cost of ownership for the iPhone by quite a bit though, so no doubt Apple is quite pleased.

As for me, I have Wifi at home and school, and I'm at either of those two places 95% of the time, so the 200MB should be just fine. Can't wait to get my first iPhone.
 
These US data plans are CRAZY EXPENSIVE!!! It seems everything else except mobile carrier costs are cheaper in US then in Europe. I pay less then 10 € a month with unlimited data. Even more so my carrier supports data speeds up to 20 Mbits and I can tether as much as I like without paying any extra.

Yup. America is run by greedy corporations.

Locked phones are great for customers, no?
 
How much data do you use in a month on your iPhone?

According to AT&T 65% use less than 200MB and 98% use less than 2GB. Meanwhile, you are just pulling numbers out of thin air and saying they "sound reasonable" to you.

My usage on my iPhone for the past few months ranges from 200-400MB/month.

arn
How much data most people use before the iPhone? Zero? Using AT&T's logic, since most people were using zero data, then there shouldn't be internet on phones period. :rolleyes:

Today's usage != tomorrow's usage. Yesterday, people were only reading text emails. Today, people are uploading pictures and tweeting. Tomorrow, people will be uploading videos and streaming multimedia content. AT&T's policy obviously have no vision and only discourage innovation. With this new data plan, less and less people would think of using VOIP, streaming music, uploading videos, etc. What do you think about the companies providing those services? So much for innovation.
 
Now that we know we have to downgrade to the 2gb plan to add the $20 tethering, it kind of takes the wind out of that lower price. 2gb of data on my MBP goes a lot faster. $10 or $15 would be a lot better as we're still taking from the same limited, 2gb pool that we already have access to and are paying for. I wouldn't be surprised to see the government investigate this crap one of these days. If we're paying for 2gb, then we should be able to shove that 2gb wherever we want it. Or at the VERY least, throw in an extra gb or two. That's $20 extra bucks for nothing except switching destinations!

If $20 tethering connected to WIFI iPads, then I would sign up right away! Apple needs to bring bluetooth tethering receiving to the iPad 4.1/2 software update. Does anyone know if jailbreak would allow for bluetooth pairing to iPhone? My iPad is jailbroken, but I don't want to jb my iPhone. I'd pay for the tethering on my iPhone and shoot it to iPad.

I agree with the text in bold. AT&T could maybe get away with $5-$10 extra for tethering (when on a capped 2GB plan), saying that tethering increases the likelihood you will use most of your 2GB of data or something...but $20 a month extra for no extra data? Meh.
 
Today's usage != tomorrow's usage. Yesterday, people were only reading text emails. Today, people are uploading pictures and tweeting. Tomorrow, people will be uploading videos and streaming multimedia content. AT&T's policy obviously have no vision and only discourage innovation. With this new data plan, less and less people would think of using VOIP, streaming music, uploading videos, etc. What do you think about the companies providing those services? So much for innovation.

a) you didn't answer my question about how much data you use

b) why is it AT&T's responsibility to subsidize innovation on the internet? I understand not being happy you can't pay for unlimited if you need more than 2GB of data... but if your basis for complaint is that AT&T isn't somehow fostering innovation on the internet - that is ridiculous.

arn
 
Well... this sucks. Just checked my iPhone data usage, and over the past 6 months it's never broken 500MB (usually hovering around 400MB), but I was counting on ditching my iPhone for a 3G (or 4G) iPad later on down the line, which will obviously swallow more data.

Oh wait; no, AT&T's service is awkward and slow. Why would I bother waiting through all the choppy video 3G stream?

Way to piss off your millions of iPhone users, AT&T.
 
Because I use WiFi with my iPhone most of the time, I typically do not go over 200MB in one month. Therefore the 15/200MB data plan will be perfect for my needs, and will cut my data plan in half each month.
 
AT&T says 65% of its smartphone customers use less than 200 MB a month, and 98% use less than 2 GB.
What's next? Obviously with this new plan, people would be even more conservative, so next year AT&T would say 65% use less than 150MB, and 98% use less than 1.5GB, and those will be the new caps. See how this logic goes? :rolleyes: It makes zero sense, and only discourage innovation. Next thing we know, people would go back of simply using their smartphones for text emails. What would AT&T say then? Oh, 1MB should be plenty for text emails. :rolleyes:
 
Just checked my iPhone data usage, and over the past 6 months it's never broken 500MB (usually hovering around 400MB)

Sounds like the 2GB plan would be perfect for you. It's $5 less than the current one...so how does this suck?

I was counting on ditching my iPhone for a 3G (or 4G) iPad later on down the line, which will obviously swallow more data.

I'm sure AT&T will increase the caps in the future when bandwidth is less expensive. Maybe in 6-12 months, you'll have 500MB and 5GB. That seems completely realistic to me.
 
Umm no....It clearly says:

ummm yeah..... Does it say if you are signing a "new" contract to get a discount on the new iPhone you can still keep the $30 unlimited? Not so clear as you say. Anywho thanks for pointing out the "language".
 
What's next? Obviously with this new plan, people would be even more conservative, so next year AT&T would say 65% use less than 150MB, and 98% use less than 1.5GB, and those will be the new caps. See how this logic goes? :rolleyes: It makes zero sense, and only discourage innovation. Next thing we know, people would go back of simply using their smartphones for text emails. What would AT&T say then? Oh, 1MB should be plenty for text emails. :rolleyes:

They could do that, but they wouldn't do it based on those statistics AFTER there are data caps in place. The reason the stats are valid now is because all users currently have unlimited data...so nobody ever is thinking about hitting a cap when using data. People use as much as they want to in this 'unregulated, natural state'.
 
ummm yeah..... Does it say if you are signing a "new" contract to get a discount on the new iPhone you can still keep the $30 unlimited? Not so clear as you say. Anywho thanks for pointing out the "language".

seems doubtful. I expect if/when you sign a new contract for a new iPhone, you'll have to choose the $25/month 2GB data plan.

arn
 
Totally lame. I mean even 5GB is lame, considering some wireless carriers in other countries have a much higher cap than 5GB for their cheapest plan, but now 200MB/2GB? Are we going backwards? We're going from unlimited to 5GB to 2GB to 200MB. What's next? 1MB?

I don't really think so. I remember a few years back on Verizon when 'unlimited' smartphone data plans were $45/month and data cards were $80/month. The iPhone came out and smartphones started to become more popular among consumers (as opposed to business users) so they had to lower rates to $30 and $60. Even then, it was easy to offer "unlimited" plans because all people did with their smartphones was simple email anyway. The browsers all sucked and they didn't handle media well.

The iPhone came out, the android platform has matured, WebOS, supposedly Blackberry OS6 is going to be good... now everyone and their grandmother is watching streaming video, sending cameraphone videos, doing a lot of web browsing, opening complex email attachments, etc. The carriers have to reprice their products to face this reality.
 
Being in an EDGE-only area where I have a hard time going over 50MB a month, I will definitely be switching to the DataPlus plan. This will save me nearly $200 a year.

The DataPro plan, on the other hand, is stupid. When I go on vacation where I have 3G I can hit 2GB easy.

Also, great to see arn participating in the discussion!
 
a) you didn't answer my question about how much data you use

b) why is it AT&T's responsibility to subsidize innovation on the internet? I understand not being happy you can't pay for unlimited if you need more than 2GB of data... but if your basis for complaint is that AT&T isn't somehow fostering innovation on the internet is ridiculous.

arn

It's not AT&T needing to subsidize, but when we've been locked to a carrier this long (which seems like it'll change), AT&T should at least leave one of its most popular benefits around (cheapish, unlimited data).

And why can't AT&T offer both? It's obvious the 2% of people that use 2GB+ data per month will stick with the unlimited plan. In the future, with 4G and future wireless technologies, a 2GB cap will probably be extended to 5GB, then 10GB, and so on. They're not really preventing future people from adding on; the people who need that much data right now are already on the plan. Giving people the option to downgrade to a 250MB or 2GB plan will also likely relax the massive data usage they go through.
 
a) you didn't answer my question about how much data you use

b) why is it AT&T's responsibility to subsidize innovation on the internet? I understand not being happy you can't pay for unlimited if you need more than 2GB of data... but if your basis for complaint is that AT&T isn't somehow fostering innovation on the internet is ridiculous.

arn
My usage has nothing to do with anything, as my usage is not equal your usage and not equal to person C usage. We can argue all day long about our own personal usage, but my point remains the same.
I see that you want to go back to where people only use their smartphones for text emails. No full web browsing, no video streaming, no VOIP, no music streaming, no content delivery via 3G, no music downloads, no video downloads, etc etc. If there's a healthy competition in the wireless market (instead of just 4 big players, each with their own exclusive frequencies and handsets), then we won't have this problem. But at this point, seems to me that AT&T is holding internet innovation by restricting how much of the information can flow. If you restrict consumption, than people would throttle back their usage. Less and less people would think of watching video online, or streaming music. See how it can damage innovation?

And here thinking people were upset with Comcast's 250GB cap... :rolleyes:
 
Sounds like the 2GB plan would be perfect for you. It's $5 less than the current one...so how does this suck?

$5 less to go from unlimited to capped? That's less than their exorbitant text message plan. I'll pay the extra $5/month for those just-in-case months. Maybe work in a jailbreaked tether too.
 
So this conveniently launches on June 7th, the day the new iPhone is officially announced? To me, this means one of two things:

1.) Imminent launch, less likely

2.) Verizon / Sprint iPhone announced, AT&T is being proactive on prices

Two carriers competing makes me happy. Verizon 3g is tempting, but only once they deploy that tech that upgrades their network to allow voice and data simultaneously. I also need to find out what their data speeds are where I live. AT&T is actually pretty fast, running 4 to 6mbps. That is half what I get on cable, so that's pretty decent to me. My main beef with AT&T is EDGE outside the cities, and pitiful upload speeds around 300kbps (though this is probably just a limitation of the iPhone hardware. Can anyone confirm who has a phone with a newer 3g chipset?) Also text message prices piss me off. I have the lowest one (200, $5) and I have to count characters to keep my texts to one at a time. Ok, I don't really count characters, but noticed that about 4 1/2 lines on the iPhone in portrait view fits as one message. Looking forward to character counting in OS 4.0 almost as much as multitasking!
 
now everyone and their grandmother is watching streaming video, sending cameraphone videos, doing a lot of web browsing, opening complex email attachments, etc. The carriers have to reprice their products to face this reality.
Based on this new caps, expect those activities to die down as people will not want to pay for overages. Plus, people here apparently wants things to go backward, where people will only use smartphones for text emails.
 
AT&T is just robbering you guys,

I used to pay 15€ month per 200MB with free tethering for my iphone.

Now with my iPad i'm going to pay 25€/month for 1GB free tethering and I can also use my dataplan on the iPad for free!.
 
I'm sure AT&T will increase the caps in the future when bandwidth is less expensive. Maybe in 6-12 months, you'll have 500MB and 5GB. That seems completely realistic to me.
Errr, we're going from unlimited to 5GB to 2GB/200MB. Do you really think AT&T will increase the cap? The fact that there are caps now mean people would be more conservative and use less data-intensive activities, and I can see AT&T statistics will show people use even less data, and they would lower the cap further. I mean think about it, how long have we had these 5GB cap everywhere? Anybody increasing their cap after that? Nope.
 
wow first the etf's and now this?
screw you ATT
Im leaving....even as much as I like the iphone

fwiw, verizon isn't going to be much better. Their ETF is higher, and they are looking to move to tiered data plans for LTE

http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/27/verizon-looking-at-non-unlimited-plans-for-4g-data-will-use-lte/
Verizon Wireless boss Lowell McAdam mentioned at a Barclays Capital conference this week that he hopes to move away from unlimited plans altogether for the company's LTE network, instead charging for "buckets" of megabytes, just like in the olden days -- despite the fact that it'll cost it a half to a third of what it costs today to transmit the same amount of data.

arn
 
I am kind of shocked... Acccording to ATTWireless.com the most I've used in the past few months is 196 Megabytes and that was back in January. I use my phone to stream radio stations, listen to Ball Games on MLB At Bat... Can this possible be right? Not that I'm complaining, but I thought I've used a lot more data then this. But I guess not according to my chart.
 
... but if your basis for complaint is that AT&T isn't somehow fostering innovation on the internet - that is ridiculous.

arn

You're right, we should definitely leave that up to some other company. Hopefully Steve announces a few next Monday. AT&T will improve once people start jumping ship. If not on prices, then on lower data congestion. Everyone wins. Doesn't a June 7th date suggest a preemptive rate drop to compete with the newly announced iPhone carriers?
 
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