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Your ignorance shows your age.

Your assumptions show yours. I'll ask again, what does what happened twenty years ago have to do with present day? Try to answer it without resorting to ad hominem attacks on my age, would be much appreciated.
 
Your assumptions show yours. I'll ask again, what does what happened twenty years ago have to do with present day? Try to answer it without resorting to ad hominem attacks on my age, would be much appreciated.

Oh dear, Seriously!
 
People needs to stop giving AT&T business so that AT&T can right their business model.

EDIT: Used the wrong term. Like soco corrected me below, I mean ethics, they need to right their ethics.

I disagree. Nothing wrong with their business model.

The AT&T entry point is lower than Verizon's ($15 versus $20). Most of us use free wifi and only want 4G when we are in between wifi networks. AT&T also gives you 1GB more than Verizon at the $30 price point. Where I live, AT&T 4G LTE was much faster. 9to5 Mac also reached the same conclusion. If you leave a Verizon 4G footprint (still easy to do), you are stuck with their awful 3G CDMA.

The hot spot feature will be offered by AT&T soon. However, I don't think that many people want to lug around an iPad for a wifi hotspot.....the iPhone is a much better alternative.
 
personal record

I would like to announce a personal record for the amount that I've paid for an iPad in a single day. Even thought prices have remained the same, my ability to pick a product from a higher technological tier has become apparent. My purchase was more than I expected and I am extremely happy for the way it turned out. One again, my ability to spend money has lead me to this position where I can buy things at such incredible levels.
 
I'm sure it was just as good for Verizon. I'm a bit annoyed at it though; its unsubsidized, yet they charge full price. Subsequently I'm not in a rush to activate my LTE-not until I see a sale worth taking.

The reason this stuff won't benefit AT&T and Verizon as much as thought is the prices are just too high-even charging the extra $130 that Apple does is a lot of money. I suspect they'll subsidize iPads when Apple can better saturate the market in order to sell it. But the telecoms and Apple are just going for a heavy premium.

Why subsidize? The purpose of subsidizing is when you offer a long-term contract. No longer-term contract on iPads; therefore...the price is the price.
 
Did they really say that with a straight face?
Sure they can. Why? Because despite all the fake outrage, the ITU changed the definition of "4G" to include HSPA+. (T-Mobile forced them to change it not AT&T remember ;))

So AT&T can claim it whether you agree with it or not.
And while we're an the subject, why no outrage over calling WiMax or LTE 4G?
Both of those fail to meet the very same criteria everyone is saying HSPA+ doesn't meet.
 
I would like to announce a personal record for the amount that I've paid for an iPad in a single day. Even thought prices have remained the same, my ability to pick a product from a higher technological tier has become apparent. My purchase was more than I expected and I am extremely happy for the way it turned out. One again, my ability to spend money has lead me to this position where I can buy things at such incredible levels.

x2. I walked in wanting a 32gb. I saw the stack of papers for the 64gb was smaller, so of course I had to buy that one instead. Thanks again apple for making me want to spend an extra $100 :D
 
Completely agree with everyone else. AT&T... We need to know about shared data and tethering. I bought the AT&T version because I believe they have better coverage in my area. I'm giving them a week before returning this one and exchanging for a Verizon version if there are no tethering announcements by Friday.

I'm with everyone on the shared data plans. But seriously what need do you have for hotspot on an iPad?? Would you actually ever use that?
 
People needs to stop giving AT&T business so that AT&T can right their business model.

EDIT: Used the wrong term. Like soco corrected me below, I mean ethics, they need to right their ethics.

They're a business; no one hold a gun to the customers' head to make them fork over money for a data plan or cellular voice service. If people really were 'principled' and thought so little of AT&T's business practices, then T-Mobile wouldn't be looking for a buyer to exit the US market right now.

Everything is in the contact that the customer signs. Is the 'pricing' of data plans in general "right"; maybe not...but I don't see a drop in the number of subscriptions from either Verizon or AT&T. If the customer is willing to pay...then the business practice and model is right.
 
Well if you are 20 or older, you should.

I think everyone is missing the point. Apple is highly successful, and has been for quite some time. Yes, they did horribly 20 years ago, but that's the past. None of what happened back then has any bearing on them now, or in the future.

I think it's a little dramatic to try to compare WW2, and the Berlin wall, and JFKs assassination to Apple. They're not that important. :D
 
Your assumptions show yours. I'll ask again, what does what happened twenty years ago have to do with present day? Try to answer it without resorting to ad hominem attacks on my age, would be much appreciated.

I guess history and passed events are meaning less. We're just doomed to fail if we keep repeating history instead of trying to better ourselves.
 
Why subsidize? The purpose of subsidizing is when you offer a long-term contract. No longer-term contract on iPads; therefore...the price is the price.

That's simple: It effectively lowers the monthly rate by giving you cash up front and tying you into the contract. If I have to pay full price for everything? Suddenly it gets much more expensive. Take the iPhone compared to a dumbphone, and then say you don't want to pay $30 a month. Over that contract, that adds up to $720. So if I had tethered data for two years for a total of $720, but I had $300-400 knocked off the price of the iPad, I would say it makes sense, because it would lower my costs over two years significantly.

Subsequently, this lack of subsidy means that Apple's Wi-Fi models enormously outsell the wireless networked models. Its like buying a wireless networked iPod at no subsidy, or an iPhone with a subsidy to be the same price as the iPod. The iPhone would vastly outsell the iPod due to being a better value. This is why Apple doesn't release a 3G enabled iPod either: There is simply no point.

Again: iPad data is too expensive for what you get, most of the market has spoken on that. Though the Telecoms do "well" everyone knows there's tons of possibilities to grow in sales but...its just too expensive for no real reason. I see no reason why it costs $10/GB rather than, say, $5.
 
You just stated that you didn't care about stuff that happened more than 20 years ago. No caveats.

That was in response to someone who said that Apple failed 20 years ago, so I was talking about Apple not about world history and world changing events of the past.

Rogifan said:
The Cube, the fat Nano? Were those successes?

I meant present day.

I must say, I don't understand why the anger here. Seems some here are determined to stay in the past, and not look at the situation as it is currently. Apple hasn't failed in years, what happened 20 years ago is completely irrelevant.
 
I guess history and passed events are meaning less. We're just doomed to fail if we keep repeating history instead of trying to better ourselves.

Plenty of people ignore history and prefer to make the same mistakes and calling it "they wanted their own experience"

Not surprising in today's attention deficit society, news flashes and twitter blurbs.
 
I'm with everyone on the shared data plans. But seriously what need do you have for hotspot on an iPad?? Would you actually ever use that?

I would. I currently use my iPhone 4 for a hotspot mostly for my iPad and MacBook. I love my MacBook but would rather carry the iPad. Since my iPhone 4 only supports 3G and I'm almost always carrying my iPad, having a native, fast(ish) data plan on that device that I can also use to tether makes sense to me. YMMV, but the higher speeds on the iPad should allow me to greatly reduce my need for tethering, but when I need it, I'd like to get the faster speeds. Also, if I'm carrying my laptop, I'm carrying the iPad in the same briefcase. That should change when the iPhone 5 comes out, but for now I'm looking forward to the faster speeds offered by the iPad.
 
I also see a stronger signal overall from the ATT device.

Note that there are no quantitative numbers on the signal strength bars you see on the iPad or iPhone. These bars are not calibrated or provide specific signal strengths. Having 4 bars showing on your iPhone and 5 bars showing on your iPad noes not mean one or the other is working with a better signal. It only means that one is displaying 4 bars and the other 5.

You can only use the bars to compare a single device with itself. If you're holding your device and you get only 3 bars, then hold it with a different hand position or turn it in a different direction, it can display a different number of bars to let you know if the signal reception is better, the same, or worse.
 
I'm with everyone on the shared data plans. But seriously what need do you have for hotspot on an iPad?? Would you actually ever use that?

For international travellers, this is an important feature. Or for me anyway. I would like to share my connection with 2 other devices.

Fee hotel internet can be spotty at times.

In the rental car, it is nice to have the family share the connection. I drive, they play or surf.
 
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