AT&T Considering Halting All Samsung Galaxy Note 7 Sales and Replacements

[Howyalikdemapls]

Oh c'mon the people who owned note 7 will ignore all this warning and continue to using it because they believe in Samsung.

You should go to read in note 7 threat everyone in there just sneaking use the note 7 on the plane anyway. They say nobody will recognise the note 7 because it looks all the same as other phone.

Is it not illegal to deliberately disobey orders from the staff regarding safety on a plane though? I would imagine there would be major consequences for this. It doesn't seem worth the risk. I mean, it's obviously not worth risking the plane blowing up, but it's also not worth using your phone when risking a $10,000 fine if you get caught.

 

[I7guy]

Is it not illegal to deliberately disobey orders from the staff regarding safety on a plane though? I would imagine there would be major consequences for this. It doesn't seem worth the risk. I mean, it's obviously not worth risking the plane blowing up, but it's also not worth using your phone when risking a $10,000 fine if you get caught.

Penalities for disobeying a flight crew can be severe. There is a lot of latitude here. I don't know why anyone would risk it.

 

[Abazigal]

Whoa, at this rate, just one incident report every 2-3 days will be enough to keep this in the news cycle all the way till the end of the year.

 

[cdmoore74]

They just need to kill this device now, surely nobody wants to buy a Note 7 at this point ?

There are plenty of people that still want the device, that's not the big issue. The problem is potential FAA bans for "any" Note 7 on flights? Then it opens other places like movie theaters putting a ban on the phone?
If that happens Samsung has to pull the device off the market.

 

[citysnaps]

Ha. You don't know what you are talking about. You also need to refrain from supporting poor industry practices.

Apple batteries explode, Samsung batteries explode even more. The technology used in both brands is rubbish. Safer batteries now.

All solid state li-ion batteries based on garnet-type fast li+ conductors, unlike conventional ones, consist entirely of solid chemical compounds and are non-flammable.

I know you don't want to hear it, but there is a better way for all the industry to move to, that includes Samsung, that includes Apple too.

https://www.ethz.ch/en/news-and-eve...08/all-solid-state-lithium-ion-batteries.html
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/07/160720105038.htm

Ten years on, little change in the industry.

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/406334/safer-lithium-ion-batteries/

As demonstrated by your post, you know nothing abou tLi-ion battery technology other than bits anyone can scrape from the internet. And, as you're not an engineer and with no experience, you do not even understand what is out there. You're not someone to listen to or call on the industry to adopt your campaign and path to a better battery future.

That was rich previously stating Li-Ion batteries should be sealed in metal packaging, and, a dead give-away that you know nothing about the subject.

What a joke...

 

[ani4ani]

You do realize a fully charged lion battery has much more energy in it and more likely to burn than a discharged one? Also, if a lion battery was made defective it can eventually blow up on its own regardless whether the device is on or off.
My guess is Samsung is charging these batteries too fast and their circuits are possibly reading the voltage wrong and bringing the battery to too high of a voltage. Once you go over 4.2volts the risk of spontaneous combustion of a lithium battery goes way up.

EDIT: There are some lithium batteries that have been designed to go up to 4.3V for better capacity, but I'm not so sure they're just as safe as the lower voltage types. Samsung could probably fix this by a bios flash limiting the max voltage of the battery at the cost of reduced capacity.

Yes I do realise this is the situation, and hence really my point that switching Note 7's off on a flight is sort of not really going to make a lot of difference...

Anyhow thanks for an informative post...they are short supply on this thread

 

[jayducharme]

Let's hope that the epidemic doesn't spread to Apple. They all have similar battery tech:

http://www.technobuffalo.com/2016/10/07/iphone-6-plus-fire-explosion/

 

[WRChris]

as someone who used to work for the TSA, it is nearly impossible for us to stop phones from entering an aircraft. almost everyone travels with a phone and we can't search every bag to see if they have a note 7.

all cell phones look similar on an x-ray image.

I wouldn't tell people you work(ed) for an unconstitutional agency, but to each their own. This is where TSA fails, just put up a sign and 99% of the devices will stay off the plane. You don't need a new body scanner or anything fancy. Most people would rather not have a fire hazard on a plane anyway. You don't have to always use force to get the results you want.

 

[FFR]

Another new "safe(Samsung claimed)" Note 7 exploded.

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The other explosion today...

So that is two more note 7 explosions from the safe batch.

 

[foxconn]

I wouldn't tell people you work(ed) for an unconstitutional agency, but to each their own. This is where TSA fails, just put up a sign and 99% of the devices will stay off the plane. You don't need a new body scanner or anything fancy. Most people would rather not have a fire hazard on a plane anyway. You don't have to always use force to get the results you want.

Unconstitutional? Flying isn't a right, it's a privilege. Smh

 

[WRChris]

I wouldn't tell people you work(ed) for an unconstitutional agency, but to each their own. This is where TSA fails, just put up a sign and 99% of the devices will stay off the plane. You don't need a new body scanner or anything fancy. Most people would rather not have a fire hazard on a plane anyway. You don't have to always use force to get the results you want.

Edit: You can't prevent accidents all together but you can minimize them by explaining the consequences of a fire on a plane
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Unconstitutional? Flying isn't a right, it's a privilege. Smh

It's not a privilege that the government hands out. It's a private industry the government took over illegally

 

[FelixDerKater]

How could you ever feel comfortable carrying these in your pocket again?

 

[WRChris]

Edit: You can't prevent accidents all together but you can minimize them by explaining the consequences of a fire on a plane
[doublepost=1475940171][/doublepost]
It's not a privilege that the government hands out. It's a private industry the government took over illegally

Edit: You can't prevent accidents all together but you can minimize them by explaining the consequences of a fire on a plane
[doublepost=1475940171][/doublepost]
It's not a privilege that the government hands out. It's a private industry the government took over illegally

Another thing, Captain TSA, American citizens no longer have the right to privacy or the right to not be searched without a warrant? You can trade your rights for less toothpaste on a plane but don't think you can force that on others

 

[sinsin07]

As demonstrated by your post, you know nothing abou tLi-ion battery technology other than bits anyone can scrape from the internet. And, as you're not an engineer and with no experience, you do not even understand what is out there. You're not someone to listen to or call on the industry to adopt your campaign and path to a better battery future...

Its called a Google Search Engineering Degree, "GSED" or Bachelor of Search.

 

[.Joel]

Ha. You don't know what you are talking about.

He's pretty spot on with you...

Registered in Jan this year, puts Apple artwork as avatar.
Makes 3000+ posts in 9 months slagging off Apple: https://forums.macrumors.com/search/3039466/
Places in signature that he owns "company shares" just in case someone doubts him.

I'm genuinely curious how much Samesung pay people here to post on MacRumors, deflecting Samesung issues, sticking it to Apple wherever they can whilst trying to disguise themselves as an average community member.

After being caught paying for false praise and negative comments about competitors, Samsung has been fined just over $340,000.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/24/5023658/samsung-fined-340000-for-posting-negative-htc-reviews

 

[smacrumon]

As demonstrated by your post, you know nothing abou tLi-ion battery technology other than bits anyone can scrape from the internet. And, as you're not an engineer and with no experience, you do not even understand what is out there. You're not someone to listen to or call on the industry to adopt your campaign and path to a better battery future.

That was rich previously stating Li-Ion batteries should be sealed in metal packaging, and, a dead give-away that you know nothing about the subject.

What a joke...

You can't exclude members here for commenting based on your hatred for Samsung. Your clouded vision stifles Apple from also doing better in this space. Both companies have records of devices igniting in fire.

Further, if you read closely, I never said batteries should be sealed in metal, another post made that bizarre jump... hmm... in fact it was your post that made the crazy leap to metal, as did another post making the leap to pipe bombs. Ridiculous comments.

I suggested ceramic containment as a fire retardant, whether fibres or similar. You made the over the top assertions in a completely different direction.

I am an Apple fan, but I don't let that cloud my vision. If there are better ways to deliver much safer devices, better devices, and there are better ways, then that must be pursued as a priority.

First Samsung devices will be banned from aircraft, then all devices may follow including Apple's because the current technology is set up for failure and it's not worth risking lives in the air. There are better technologies, it's time to go there, even if individuals such as yourself are resisting and screaming all the way. Move aside and let better technology through please.

 

[newdeal]

Well I guess it was clearly the design of the charging circuits putting too much power into the battery to fast charge it rather than the battery itself

 

[Kajje]

Well I guess it was clearly the design of the charging circuits putting too much power into the battery to fast charge it rather than the battery itself

Mr. Sung asks for your address to send a gift basket on behalf of his shareholders.

If it were that easy

 

[smacrumon]

He's pretty spot on with you...

Registered in Jan this year, puts Apple artwork as avatar.
Makes 3000+ posts in 9 months slagging off Apple: https://forums.macrumors.com/search/3039466/
Places in signature that he owns "company shares" just in case someone doubts him.

I'm genuinely curious how much Samesung pay people here to post on MacRumors, deflecting Samesung issues, sticking it to Apple wherever they can whilst trying to disguise themselves as an average community member.


http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/24/5023658/samsung-fined-340000-for-posting-negative-htc-reviews

The commenter was completely inaccurate, I never said anything about metal containment, I suggested ceramic as a fire retardant, whether fibres or similar. Reread my posts and be accurate please.

My signature is "I own company shares. I think independently.". That last part is important-- independent. I'm really an Apple fan. I own much Apple related paraphernalia. (Not paid by Samsung.) BUT, unlike some Apple fans, I demand they do better, so some of my posts highlight problems, and provide suggestions for better ways. Some of my other posts praise Apple without any reservations. What would be the point of coming here to the forums to just praise Apple in every post without any critical observations?

Just because you don't agree with my viewpoint, doesn't mean I'm a troll, a mole, astroturfing, slagging off, and any other derogatory terms you and others might direct my way. I came to the forums this year because I was completely revolted by the poor quality and thoughtless commentary on the forums. You might like to take the time to consider why I provide an alternate position. You might like to ponder are there even better ways Apple can make their products and services.

Finally, because you have trouble being accurate, I've made 1891 posts, not 3000+ posts. 3010+ is the number of likes my comments have received.

 

[FrenchRoasted]

The schadenfreude is very thick on this forum. Supplier quality assurance problems can happen to any company, especially with a component that relies on chemical engineering (black magic).

 

[dgr874]

Seriously, if deaths of people were at all a concern to the American people they would have banned the gun long ago, that 14,000 americans murdered by gun each year...... and you wet your collective panties over a hot phone...

Owning a firearm is a right, owning a Note 7 is not. Just in cause you were confused...

 

[kazmac]

About the most sane thing AT&T has considered in some time (all comes back to $ and sales), but still. I hope they stop the sales.

And I'd say the same thing if Apple was having this problem.

 

[0958400]

Samsung, do yourself a favour, stop it. This is getting out of hand and will leave the brand branded for years. Just pull back and try again later. I'd really hate to see people and children get hurt by this product.

 

[Tubamajuba]

Sad that so many macrumors members are reading and commenting here with satisfaction over Samsungs issues. Deplorable.

It's apparently fine when people take personal satisfaction over Apple's issues, so why is there a problem now?

You're not going to have it both ways.

 

[0958400]

I wonder if airlines have a tub of cold saltwater to throw the phones in when they catch fire. I've purposely short circuited big 6 cell 5000mah RC Heli batteries by jamming a piece of metal through them till they caught on fire and then threw them into salt water bath which quickly calms them down. I'd imagine it would work on a wimpy 1 cell lion cell phone battery

Forgive me, but that interests me, why saltwater? Wouldn't water do the trick?