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This guy has to be working for AT&T , Seriously ??!!?? U BOUGHT THE DATA YOU SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO USE IT AS YOU PLEASE, STOP TROLLING.

This made me LOL. Tell you what, call ATT and let them know that you're tethering and they cant do anything about it if you're so sure that you get to dictate the terms of a contract after you signed it.:rolleyes:

Be sure to mention if you have unlimited data and have every right to use 100gb a month HOWEVER YOU CHOSE! you can even give them away.. OOPS I just dropped a gb, o'well. :eek:
 
$30/month per device is totally fair IMHO. Look at it this way. How many millions of phones has just the iPhone sold that's on the network. Let's just say theirs 30 million iPhones activated. That's $900 million per month of revenue. Now, putting hardware and software in place is a one time fee for development, acquisition, and installation. Sure it's going to be in the billions when you consider doing it nationwide, but those are fixed costs. ATT is making almost $1 billion per month, on just the iPhone alone. That should be more then enough to put up a network that can handle unlimited data for a smartphone with today's technologies.


there are also operating costs

support, electricity, rent, bandwidth, interest on the debt to buy the equipment and the spectrum, pay apple for the iphones, etc. AT&T makes very little net profit on their revenue.
 
there are also operating costs

support, electricity, rent, bandwidth, interest on the debt to buy the equipment and the spectrum, pay apple for the iphones, etc. AT&T makes very little net profit on their revenue.

not sure what your source of info is on the above...


AT&T ended the quarter with $4.02 billion in net income, up 25.8% vs. the same time last year, on revenues of $30.81 billion, up 0.6%.


looks to me like they made a pretty penny!
 
70GBs so far this cycle......180gb last cycle and 20gb the cycle before and 5 gb the cycle before that cycle....

no notice, no call, nothing.
 
70GBs so far this cycle......180gb last cycle and 20gb the cycle before and 5 gb the cycle before that cycle....

no notice, no call, nothing.

I have the grandfathered unlimited plan and while i average 6 or so gb's per month, i one time used 76 while downloading blu ray movies over tethering while I was on vacation. The family i was staying with didn't even have internet!:confused:
Hopefully they wont call or text and if they do- i switch to sprint and get an evo! (or threaten them saying i will do so)

It is HORRIBLE business ethics for att to do this to customers paying for an UNLIMITED plan. It's just plain lying.
 
I have the grandfathered unlimited plan and while i average 6 or so gb's per month, i one time used 76 while downloading blu ray movies over tethering while I was on vacation. The family i was staying with didn't even have internet!:confused:
Hopefully they wont call or text and if they do- i switch to sprint and get an evo! (or threaten them saying i will do so)

It is HORRIBLE business ethics for att to do this to customers paying for an UNLIMITED plan. It's just plain lying.

LOL, I am pretty sure that AT&T didn't have you downloading illegal movies in mind when they offered unlimited data.

It is horrible customer ethics to take advantage of a system. :rolleyes:
 
Actually, that is the only thing negative that is or ever has been on my credit report. I'm in the process of having it removed so it doesn't really matter anyway.

Unlike most Americans, I paid cash for my condo and my car.

I also have no credit card debt.

All at age 29.

I also don't believe in letting corporations get away with whatever they please. If we had more discipline as a country and could organize mass demonstrations then corporations could not nickel and dime us to death (or debt)

Imagine if we said "No more BS banking and ATM fees." and if they didn't end them that we were going to withdrawal our money. The banks don't care because we never would do that, we are too lazy. But if we all showed up at Bank of America or Chase and closed our accounts on a certain Monday and let them know why we did it I bet they'd listen then.

Or if we all booked fully refundable tickets and then cancelled them at the last moment and let the Airlines know that it was because of the baggage fees.

Or if we all paid the ETF for AT&T all at once and let them know why. They'd beg us to come back and start treating us like people and not ATM's

If you ever do any of those things, count me in!
I mean really, WE are those companies source of income and we shouldn't have to out up with their crap if we don't like it.
ATT gave me a free iphone 4 because they consistently messed up my bill and charged sometimes 40-50 dollars extra. Retards
I threatened to leave and then they kissed a$$ and gave me the iphone
 
LOL, I am pretty sure that AT&T didn't have you downloading illegal movies in mind when they offered unlimited data.

It is horrible customer ethics to take advantage of a system. :rolleyes:

Actually they were legal:D
I payed for them just like my unlimited plan
 
Really? Care to share the link? I have never seen a downloadable BluRay Movie.

buy a blu ray movie and get the code inside for direct legal download
also did some streaming of non BR but high quality off my amazon prime acct
I thought macs could play BR but they could not so i left it over night to download over 3g. slow but it worked
 
stop gouging the customer. first we pay for 'unlimited' data thats capped at 5gb then they limit it to 2gb and force you to pay more to tether.

Just imagine how we T-Mobile customers feel with the prospect of having to deal with paying twice as much and poor AT&T customer support. T-Mobile may not have the best indoor coverage but they are a lot cheaper and people don't have to jailbreak their Android phones to get WiFi tethering. So far they trust the customers to self report. I'm sure all that will go out the window if AT&T is approved to buy them.

That and our discounted monthly service if you buy your own phone. :mad: AT&T and Verizon offer no monthly discount for buying unsubsidized equipment.

Cheers,
 
Dont want to lose my unlimited data plan for a wimpy 4gb

My question was rhetorical. You violated the contract. If ATT&T does anything to your plan, you cannot blame them. It’s your fault.

If you wanted to legally tether, you should never have signed a contract saying that you won’t do it. I don’t care about the scenario you were in, you violated your contract. Blaming anybody but yourself is just plain laughable.
 
it never ceases to amaze me the number of people who think it's okay to steal services and that it's wrong for the company being stolen from to take measures to stop them.

You sign up for a cell phone plan and you sign up for access from your phone. The terms of service specifically state there is an extra charge to share that connection with other devices. Just because it's technically possible to accomplish with the right software doesn't mean you are entitled to use services you haven't paid for.

It happens with music.
It happens with software.
It happens with cell phone data.

People that would never walk into best buy and steal a CD or an application will download the same content over the internet and feel entitled to do so.

People who don't have a tethering data plan will jailbreak their phone and spend $5 on an app and brag about the money they are saving with the service they are stealing. Then will complain about dropped calls as AT&T's networks get bogged down from them and others using services they haven't paid for.

There is a huge difference between having paid for data access for a single cell phone and using that data pipe for multiple devices. You agreed to a data plan that says you paid extra for that ability. And the ability is available if you just sign up and pay for it. There simply is no more justification for stealing the service than there is for shoplifting.
 
You agreed to a data plan that says you paid extra for that ability. And the ability is available if you just sign up and pay for it. There simply is no more justification for stealing the service than there is for shoplifting.
Thats the problem, many didn't.
AT&T did not have tethering plans before.
Also for the unlimited people they do not have the ability to add tethering.

How will they handle the Tmobile unlimited at $10 a month and all the people who tether for free on TMobile?

Unbelievable how people defend AT&T


Most Carriers offer unlimited and many free tethering.

Its hard to believe that they can offer it like this and AT&T can't.:rolleyes:
 
Thats the problem, many didn't.
AT&T did not have tethering plans before.
Also for the unlimited people they do not have the ability to add tethering.

How will they handle the Tmobile unlimited at $10 a month and all the people who tether for free on TMobile?

Unbelievable how people defend AT&T


Most Carriers offer unlimited and many free tethering.

Its hard to believe that they can offer it like this and AT&T can't.:rolleyes:

if you like the other companies plan, switch. But don't steal AT&T's service without paying for it.

And I looked it up, T-Mobie charges 15.99 for tethering on top of the $30 for web unlimited.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2371848,00.asp

How are people getting unlimited web and data on a smartphone from t-mobile for $10? The only way I can find to do it is to cheat by getting the $10 plan on a "dumb" phone, then switch to a smart phone without paying the smart phone rate and then turning on tethering without paying for that service either. Basically lying to get service you're not paying for.

And do you have the original unlimited data plan agreement to confirm it didn't' say anything one way or the other about sharing the data access with other devices? I would be surprised if it didn't at least have language that says unlimited data from your phone. Even if that's all it said, it's kind of stretching things to suggest that implied the right to share that data access with any other devices you want.
 
it never ceases to amaze me the number of people who think it's okay to steal services and that it's wrong for the company being stolen from to take measures to stop them.

You sign up for a cell phone plan and you sign up for access from your phone. The terms of service specifically state there is an extra charge to share that connection with other devices. Just because it's technically possible to accomplish with the right software doesn't mean you are entitled to use services you haven't paid for.

It happens with music.
It happens with software.
It happens with cell phone data.

People that would never walk into best buy and steal a CD or an application will download the same content over the internet and feel entitled to do so.

People who don't have a tethering data plan will jailbreak their phone and spend $5 on an app and brag about the money they are saving with the service they are stealing. Then will complain about dropped calls as AT&T's networks get bogged down from them and others using services they haven't paid for.

There is a huge difference between having paid for data access for a single cell phone and using that data pipe for multiple devices. You agreed to a data plan that says you paid extra for that ability. And the ability is available if you just sign up and pay for it. There simply is no more justification for stealing the service than there is for shoplifting.

Well said.

Thats the problem, many didn't.
AT&T did not have tethering plans before.
Also for the unlimited people they do not have the ability to add tethering.

How will they handle the Tmobile unlimited at $10 a month and all the people who tether for free on TMobile?

Unbelievable how people defend AT&T


Most Carriers offer unlimited and many free tethering.

Its hard to believe that they can offer it like this and AT&T can't.:rolleyes:

But two wrongs don't make a right. This isn't about defending AT&T, but rather its about basic ethics/morals. AT&T may not be in the right with the way they are handling the tethering situation, but that *does not* make it legal for people to effectively steal 10's & 100's of GB of data usage.

I am tired of reading the "but it said unlimited" argument. It boggles my mind how people can be so quick to try to twist things into their favor. It really is just like the music stealing issue. Its easy to do anonymously, tons of folks are doing it, you probably will never get caught (or punished)...so it must be OK right? Pretty soon, so many people are doing it that the mob mentality takes effect and everyone forgets ethics 101.

The ugly fact is, there is a small group of users who are responsible for this backlash from AT&T. And its not just mobile users either. If anyone reading this is an AT&T home broadband subscriber (DSL or UVERSE) your usage just got capped to 150GB (DSL)/250GB (UVERSE) per month effective 5/2/11 because of folks who take it to the extreme. If we didn't have folks like the guy above who downloaded 100's of GB of HD movies on his 3G connection, AT&T probably would be turning the other cheek to this issue, but they have no choice now.

You have the folks who use a tethering client to check email and do some light browsing from time-to-time while traveling, and then you have idiots who think that just because they can download massive amounts of data month-to-month they do, without ever giving thought to the consequences. I am in the former group and had plans to use MyFi when traveling. I do not think that AT&T's tethering option is reasonable for light users and I am not willing to pay thru the nose for it. However, I certainly wouldn't be arguing that it is legal and just for me to be stealing what I did use (I doubt at this point I will ever tether now though). I would be happy to admit that what I was doing wasn't right, instead of being the pot calling the kettle black.

If you want to "steal" from AT&T that's your decision. But don't try to argue and justify your actions as being legal and defensible - they are not. If AT&T catches you, be a big boy and take your medicine (which in this case is nothing more than, "you can have everything you took, but you gotta pay from now on" - barely a slap on the wrist).
 
Thats the problem, many didn't.
AT&T did not have tethering plans before.
Also for the unlimited people they do not have the ability to add tethering.

How will they handle the Tmobile unlimited at $10 a month and all the people who tether for free on TMobile?

Unbelievable how people defend AT&T


Most Carriers offer unlimited and many free tethering.

Its hard to believe that they can offer it like this and AT&T can't.:rolleyes:

btw: I looked up the TOS for unlimited data from AT&T

"Furthermore, plans (unless specifically designated for tethering usage) cannot be used for any applications that tether the device (through use of, including without limitation, connection kits, other phone/smartphone to computer accessories, BLUETOOTH® or any other wireless technology) to Personal Computers (including without limitation, laptops), or other equipment for any purpose."

you said "Unbelievable how people defend AT&T " - what you should be saying is "Unbelievable how people defend theft".

AT&T gives the people currently stealing service 3 options
1 - stop tethering and keep your plan that prohibits it
2 - keep tethering and switch to a plan that allows it
3 - keep tethering and have AT&T switch you to a plan that supports it

AT&T certainly would be within their rights to back charge customer for the stolen service but have chosen no to. There is no option to keep tethering without paying for the service. Why should AT&T or any other company knowingly allow their customers to continue to steal service?

If unlimited data for your phone is that important to you, you can keep it. Just buy another device for mobile data access. I'm sure AT&T has an equivalent to Verizon's MyFi - something I have used and paid for the past two years as AT&T didn't offer tethering service for the iPhone. When my MyFi contract expires, I plan to go the tethering route and give up my unlimited data plan. And sure, it costs me more money than stealing the service. Personally I never found stealing to be an option, no matter how easy.
 
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But two wrongs don't make a right. This isn't about defending AT&T, but rather its about basic ethics/morals. AT&T may not be in the right with the way they are handling the tethering situation, but that *does not* make it legal for people to effectively steal 10's & 100's of GB of data usage.
I agree. AT&T may be acting like arses over this whole thing, but that is irrelevant. The problem at hand is that normal customers are violating a contract - one that AT&T takes seriously given that it's one of the foundations of their business. Now, I don't have a whole lot of sympathy for AT&T for various reasons, however, I made an agreement with them in good faith - AT&T provides me data and voice service, a discount on my phone hardware, and I have to give up a few things that may or may not be naturally supported on my phone (like testing without a plan) or even Tethering. I also made a time commitment guaranteeing my business.

I signed that contract and so did AT&T based on a mutual agreement. If I don't live up to that agreement, I may loose out big time, if AT&T doesn't live up to their agreement, Then I can break even at best. Yes, the contract could be ruled invalid, but those are rare things that rarely happens. Unfortunately, I doubt that AT&T is going to make such a mistake here. Point is, If I perceive an injustice, I, nor anybody else, has the right to just go and violate an agreement like that. Not when there are legitimate channels to voice your grievances.

People who are tethering without an agreement are gaming the system plain and simple. You are essentially committing fraud against AT&T by violating agreed upon terms you had no intention of following and you deserve the consequences of that.

Here is what it boils down to - if you cannot agree to terms laid out to you in advanced, no matter how one sided they may be, don't agree to the terms. If you are feeling wronged, take it to civil court. Being a jerk about entitlement only makes you look bad to the authorities and your opposition (weather it be a court or AT&T)

You don't have the right to rob your bank if they suddenly (and legally) jack your interest rates on you. You take your business elsewhere and terminate your relationship with them.
 
Thats the problem, many didn't.
AT&T did not have tethering plans before.
Also for the unlimited people they do not have the ability to add tethering.

How will they handle the Tmobile unlimited at $10 a month and all the people who tether for free on TMobile?

Unbelievable how people defend AT&T


Most Carriers offer unlimited and many free tethering.

Its hard to believe that they can offer it like this and AT&T can't.:rolleyes:
I don't want to respond about ethics, just tech...
A HSDPA tower running at a given spectrum provides a fix amount of bandwidth to the coverage area.
AT&T and TMobile have their own towers and are therefore are able to provide a similar amount of bandwidth to the same geographical area.

AT&T has a higher population density, therefore more users per tower. As a result, many of their towers are at or beyond their bandwidth capacity. To mitigate this issue, they are implementing deterrents towards data usage.

TMobile has a lower population density, therefore fewer users per tower. As a result, their towers are under utilizing their bandwidth capacity. This offers them a competitive advantage that they can leverage to attract more customers. They can continue to offer generous data plans until the tower capacity is reached.

As for the merger, it's hard to say. The TMobile 3G spectrum is probably going to be taken out of service and redeployed as 4G spectrum. The efficiency gain and shifting load may be enough to allow TMobile customers to retain existing plans. Frankly it's too early to tell.

If it seems like I'm championing AT&T, I'm not. However I do see their actions in this specific case to be logical and beneficial to the reliability of their network.
 
I don't want to respond about ethics, just tech...
A HSDPA tower running at a given spectrum provides a fix amount of bandwidth to the coverage area.
AT&T and TMobile have their own towers and are therefore are able to provide a similar amount of bandwidth to the same geographical area.

AT&T has a higher population density, therefore more users per tower. As a result, many of their towers are at or beyond their bandwidth capacity. To mitigate this issue, they are implementing deterrents towards data usage.

TMobile has a lower population density, therefore fewer users per tower. As a result, their towers are under utilizing their bandwidth capacity. This offers them a competitive advantage that they can leverage to attract more customers. They can continue to offer generous data plans until the tower capacity is reached.

As for the merger, it's hard to say. The TMobile 3G spectrum is probably going to be taken out of service and redeployed as 4G spectrum. The efficiency gain and shifting load may be enough to allow TMobile customers to retain existing plans. Frankly it's too early to tell.

If it seems like I'm championing AT&T, I'm not. However I do see their actions in this specific case to be logical and beneficial to the reliability of their network.

Your making them separate, At&t and Tmobile will be the same company soon and completely in 12 months. So my question is what will happen.

Ethics, At&t over charges knowingly and signs shady contracts at times.

The public has a right to self help at times. Jeesh it's not some game
At&t doesn't get to just do what ever they want because they can transmit the US people own the airwaves not at&t that is what the FCC is for.
 
At&t doesn't get to just do what ever they want because they can transmit the US people own the airwaves not at&t that is what the FCC is for.

AT&T might not own the airwaves, but they do own the gateways and as such, do get to control access in legal methods - determined by the contract that you sign with them. And like it or not, right now the FCC doesn't regulate the data portion that AT&T uses - they are no laws that forbid what AT&T does and you don't get to decide otherwise. The only two parties involved are AT&T and the FCC. Not you.

Not to mention this whole argument is just irrelevant. The issue at hand is a private contract signed between two parties (you and AT&T), not the regulation over the airwaves as a whole.
 
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