When they started selling 3Gs they had digital contract signatures, at least I know I did at the AT&T store when I bought it on launch day.
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AT&T Cracking Down on Unauthorized Tethering
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When they started selling 3Gs they had digital contract signatures, at least I know I did at the AT&T store when I bought it on launch day.
We have it made in Canada
Something tells me someone else likely posted this news, but just in case... In Canada, Rogers and likely Bell/Telus are letting us use tethering for "free" which is the way it should be.. Data is data... Users should decide how they use the bandwidth they already pay for. Granted our data plans max out at 6 GB, but I'm still thinking you Americans need to hold a north Africa style revolt....
Something tells me someone else likely posted this news, but just in case... In Canada, Rogers and likely Bell/Telus are letting us use tethering for "free" which is the way it should be.. Data is data... Users should decide how they use the bandwidth they already pay for. Granted our data plans max out at 6 GB, but I'm still thinking you Americans need to hold a north Africa style revolt....
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I guess one of two things
1) since all contract tos agreements in your area signed at that time are exactly the same and none at any time in any state had unlimited teathering, you would be still bound by that contract or at best able to cancel with grounds to fight the ETF
2) if your contract is lost you get to make one up, and if your bill is lost in the mail you don't have to pay
Sorry, but I'm guessing door number 1
You're right. A few years ago every ATT cellular customer had a contract that was unique, so it's vitally important each of us find the one we signed. As changes to the contract and Terms Of Service came out they were also unique, so we need to find them as well.
I find it so funny that people think they should be able to tell ATT how to run their business .... It is a Business not a "hey here let me give you a service for a mobile device, but even though it is mobile you can use all of our resources, take away services from others because you said so"
My suggestion is if you don't agree with it get another provider that will allow you to tell them how to run their business.
Really? This sense of entitlement is outrageous.
It is a IPhone data plan - not an a ANY DEVICE data plan.
I don't want to pay Sales Tax because I already pay taxes -- Oh wait I am only paying income tax not Sales Tax -- WTH??
My suggestion is if you don't agree with it get another provider that will allow you to tell them how to run their business.
Really? This sense of entitlement is outrageous.
It is a IPhone data plan - not an a ANY DEVICE data plan.
I don't want to pay Sales Tax because I already pay taxes -- Oh wait I am only paying income tax not Sales Tax -- WTH??
Very well said. IMHO though AT&T's network is horrible & there looking for anything and everything to use as an excuse of why there data speeds are lacking at times
Taking a cue from the ba$tard home buyers who bought more house than they could afford.
I seem to have come out slightly ahead with the tethering changes.
Now that I can officially tether with AT&T, although it's true I am paying $45/month for 4GB, the easy availability of tethering has allowed me to drop my $29.99/month 3G data plan for the iPad.
The recent AT&T change that allows free voice calls to all mobiles has also allowed me to lower my voice plan for a family of iPhones.
So...I've actually come out slightly ahead, monetarily.
Now that I can officially tether with AT&T, although it's true I am paying $45/month for 4GB, the easy availability of tethering has allowed me to drop my $29.99/month 3G data plan for the iPad.
The recent AT&T change that allows free voice calls to all mobiles has also allowed me to lower my voice plan for a family of iPhones.
So...I've actually come out slightly ahead, monetarily.
If you are referring to the unlimited data plan for iPad ($29.99/month), you should have sold that sim on eBay. People are getting $400 and you just gave it away!
Exactly. Like I said I tether to do quick things on my macbook pro when no wifi is available. I'm a student I have no time nor money to pay 15$ for a software feature that carriers stole, took advantage of and claimed there own. To me its about as dirty as getting with the drunk girl and saying "Well she said she wanted to..". And yes I have worked before for 2 years but I am a full time student studying pre-med starting next year and bagging grocerys when I should be studying biochem and organic chem is not the smart choice.
I J-walk too. I should arrest my self.
Can't say I would do that or think its ethical but that sure is a good way of "sticking it to the man".
Lol only once ruled by a court,
You won't win and I won't win this one till it's decided.......
I can't believe the righteousness on this thread, At&t charged me 2 years for 3G Internet, they had automatically switched me from edge because my phone was 3G yet the closest 3G was 120 miles away in any direction, At&t had no 3G in my town and knew it. What At&t does is not always right. As a consumer I have a right to fight it.
As I said 4 main people who have spent everyday posting how 300,000 people are wrong......(at&ts own numbers ) Wow
Wonder what will happen when At&t has about 1/3 of America ( 100 million) as customers? T mobile has unlimited Internet for $10 a month
Lol only once ruled by a court,
You won't win and I won't win this one till it's decided.......
I can't believe the righteousness on this thread, At&t charged me 2 years for 3G Internet, they had automatically switched me from edge because my phone was 3G yet the closest 3G was 120 miles away in any direction, At&t had no 3G in my town and knew it. What At&t does is not always right. As a consumer I have a right to fight it.
As I said 4 main people who have spent everyday posting how 300,000 people are wrong......(at&ts own numbers ) Wow
Wonder what will happen when At&t has about 1/3 of America ( 100 million) as customers? T mobile has unlimited Internet for $10 a month
and you yet again are showing how little you understand.
AT&T is charging you smart phone data prices. Not 3G data prices. The first iPhone should of been called a smart phone but it was put under the category of feature phone (aka dumb phone).
Howdr you have been shown time and time again you have no understanding of how this works and are a give me give me give me person.
We tried to explain how easy it is for AT&T to figure out if someone is teathering. Just you say no one on other forums has proof.... Problem you and most of of those other people you keep pointing to have no understanding of how the internet works.
All AT&T has to do is look at how many hops it takes to get to the tower.
If it is more than 1 then boom you are teathing no if and or buts about it. Another option is look at what type of data that is being sent. Bit torrent data is an easy thing to nail and I know multiple people who run large enterprise grade networks. They have no problem picking out bit torrent data (including the encrypted stuff) and blocking it. It is not hard to track and figure it out. It all has some very easy tell tell signs.
So you have hops AT&T can look for, or look at the the type of data being sent. Both of which is easy to know certain types data are easy to figure out.
Rhodius:
I would give up, Hwodr is basing his entire premise on the fact that AT&Ts contract with his is invalid, unenforceable and therefore he should be able to do whatever he wants with the service that he pays for. He does this despite the fact that his contract does not allow what he wants to do.
However, he cannot explain why he bothered to sign to sign a contract that he had no intention of following whatsoever. The hubris reminds me of Psystar who tried a similar tactic - trying to make an argument that the EULA did not apply to them. People here made the same arguments regarding contracts and they swore that Apples EULA would make hackintoshing a legitimate business. They were wrong. You cannot go and sign a contract without holding up the ends and then violate it. Its wrong. You only void the contract to get out of it totally, not to change the terms ex post facto.
What many of them forget is that the terms of the contract have to be considered valid up front. If you have any disagreement with them, you should not sign it. Why Howdr did not do this (or even consult a lawyer) is beyond me (and you I am guessing).
Nobody has been able to show any legal citing that can overturn the contract on a whole. And even if the contract is voided, all that means is that the service obigation ends - Howdr is no longer going to have any service period so tethering becomes moot.
Either way, he is going to loose. Either AT&Ts contract is going to be upheld (and the odds are that is what is going to happen - AT&T isnt dumb) or he gets disconnected since he no longer has a service agreement.
I would give up, Hwodr is basing his entire premise on the fact that AT&Ts contract with his is invalid, unenforceable and therefore he should be able to do whatever he wants with the service that he pays for. He does this despite the fact that his contract does not allow what he wants to do.
However, he cannot explain why he bothered to sign to sign a contract that he had no intention of following whatsoever. The hubris reminds me of Psystar who tried a similar tactic - trying to make an argument that the EULA did not apply to them. People here made the same arguments regarding contracts and they swore that Apples EULA would make hackintoshing a legitimate business. They were wrong. You cannot go and sign a contract without holding up the ends and then violate it. Its wrong. You only void the contract to get out of it totally, not to change the terms ex post facto.
What many of them forget is that the terms of the contract have to be considered valid up front. If you have any disagreement with them, you should not sign it. Why Howdr did not do this (or even consult a lawyer) is beyond me (and you I am guessing).
Nobody has been able to show any legal citing that can overturn the contract on a whole. And even if the contract is voided, all that means is that the service obigation ends - Howdr is no longer going to have any service period so tethering becomes moot.
Either way, he is going to loose. Either AT&Ts contract is going to be upheld (and the odds are that is what is going to happen - AT&T isnt dumb) or he gets disconnected since he no longer has a service agreement.
So basically, if they change the terms for any reason then you have the option of ending your contract with no penalty. If they do change anyone's plan then just end the contract, sell the phone on Craigslist for more than it will cost to buy a Verizon iPhone and tell AT&T (aka A Fee & Fee) to ***** OFF
I have Verizon now and despise AT&T (aka A Fee & Fee) due to a horrible customer service experience that is now on my credit report.
Anyone that has an iPhone (regardless of whether you are tethering or not) and Netflix should set-up the phone to stream random movies for hours on end when they are not using it. Each hour of Netflix streaming uses about 500MB to 1GB of data. Let them try to prove everyone that is using tethering just because they are using large amounts of data.
Cleopatra (1963) is 4:03:17 long. Just restart it endlessly. That will use about 2GB-5GB a day or around 100GB a month if you do it for at least 20 days a month.
You're paying for Unlimited Data so USE IT.
Anyone that has an iPhone (regardless of whether you are tethering or not) and Netflix should set-up the phone to stream random movies for hours on end when they are not using it. Each hour of Netflix streaming uses about 500MB to 1GB of data. Let them try to prove everyone that is using tethering just because they are using large amounts of data.
Cleopatra (1963) is 4:03:17 long. Just restart it endlessly. That will use about 2GB-5GB a day or around 100GB a month if you do it for at least 20 days a month.
You're paying for Unlimited Data so USE IT.
This guy has to be working for AT&T , Seriously ??!!?? U BOUGHT THE DATA YOU SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO USE IT AS YOU PLEASE, STOP TROLLING.
What a GREAT PLAN! It's very shocking to hear that you have a tarnished Credit Report.
What a GREAT PLAN! It's very shocking to hear that you have a tarnished Credit Report.
Actually, that is the only thing negative that is or ever has been on my credit report. I'm in the process of having it removed so it doesn't really matter anyway.
Unlike most Americans, I paid cash for my condo and my car.
I also have no credit card debt.
All at age 29.
I also don't believe in letting corporations get away with whatever they please. If we had more discipline as a country and could organize mass demonstrations then corporations could not nickel and dime us to death (or debt)
Imagine if we said "No more BS banking and ATM fees." and if they didn't end them that we were going to withdrawal our money. The banks don't care because we never would do that, we are too lazy. But if we all showed up at Bank of America or Chase and closed our accounts on a certain Monday and let them know why we did it I bet they'd listen then.
Or if we all booked fully refundable tickets and then cancelled them at the last moment and let the Airlines know that it was because of the baggage fees.
Or if we all paid the ETF for AT&T all at once and let them know why. They'd beg us to come back and start treating us like people and not ATM's
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If you were the engineer you claim to be, you would know that hardware isn't even half the problem. Wireless spectrum is a limited, finite resource. The same people who bitch about bad cell service will bitch when a carrier wants to put a big, ugly tower in view of their house. This isn't a problem you can just keep throwing money at to resolve.
Spectrum is the key to this whole discussion. I understand the frustration some people have with AT&T and there are some very valid points being made. But to the specific point of 3G spectrum it's an issue of constant supply vs increasing demand. Regardless of the business ethics of AT&T, they need to keep the demand for data below the supply. This is proving to be very difficult as more people switch to smartphones every day and the apps become more data hungry. Even the coming 4G infrastructure with its 10x bandwidth per tower will become saturated pretty quickly if no checks are in place to deter usage. Currently ATT is going the route of increased usage fees for data, while VZ is going the route of lowering throughput to high volume users. Choose which solution suits you best.
I don't want to ever think about there simply "not being enough bandwidth". That's just got to be there.