I'm not saying that EDGE is faster in all cases but it isn't as slow as people make it sound. The speed of each is heavily dependent on the amount of network traffic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJTdFTIF2No
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AT&T Expanding Their 3G Network in 2008
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I'm not saying that EDGE is faster in all cases but it isn't as slow as people make it sound. The speed of each is heavily dependent on the amount of network traffic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJTdFTIF2No
Now if we can get Apple stock to move higher! ( down to $122 today )
Patience is a virtue!!!
Any idea when this is said to happen, the transition? The article doesn't mention it.
Ah how enlightening, is that why their newest phones look like they're straight out of the late nineties. I only just started following wireless industry news because of my interest in the iPhone.
To combat more disinformation. AT&Ts deployment of 3G is neither new (been deployed in major cities for YEARS) nor are they languishing now. They are not deploying 3G now they are deploying 3.5G (HSDPA) and 3.75G (HSUPA). Its a bolt on to their existing 3G networks in areas where they had a previously launched 3G UMTS network. Also they aren't anywhere near languishing behind Verizon in deploying 4G as LTE is designed at its core to be an evolutionary upgrade from an existing UMTS HSDPA network. Because Apple chose not to include 3G in their fancy toy phone at launch means nothing about AT&T as like I said, at launch there were a bunch of 3G phones out and a network.
I wonder what the clear path to 4G means...
There was some reports that go back as far as 2005 that talk about WiMax and LGE (same as Verizon).
http://www.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/stories/2008/02/04/daily25.html?ana=from_rss
http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/01/22/3gpp.finalizes.lte.spec/
From what I understand about WiMAX, Sprint and a bunch of companies are working on building out the network.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wimax
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wimax
It means that LTE was designed to be an economical direct upgrade path for 3G UMTS HSPA networks. Infact AT&T has a much easier upgrade to LTE than Verizon who is converting a CDMA network to LTE.
What they didn't mention
What they didn't mention is that at&t will also be expanding its 3rd generation warrantless spying too. Now they can help NSA spy on more war protestors, Democrats, and Ron Paul supporters than ever before!
at&t: Your world. Delivered. To the NSA.
http://www.stopthespying.org/
What they didn't mention is that at&t will also be expanding its 3rd generation warrantless spying too. Now they can help NSA spy on more war protestors, Democrats, and Ron Paul supporters than ever before!
at&t: Your world. Delivered. To the NSA.
http://www.stopthespying.org/
Any idea when this is said to happen, the transition? The article doesn't mention it.
Ah how enlightening, is that why their newest phones look like they're straight out of the late nineties. I only just started following wireless industry news because of my interest in the iPhone.
I read somewhere (I can't remember where) that they were planning on transitioning around 2010. I did find out that they are starting trials sometime this year here: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/20cdb8b6-9ead-11dc-b4e4-0000779fd2ac.html?nclick_check=1
As for the issue of phones, I had always speculated this as it took them I think around a year to release the Blackberry Pearl for their CDMA network (and it has taken similar lengths of time for other phones including the RAZR).
You need to get a clue. It is not that AT&T didn't have 3G available at the launch of the iPhone. Compare their 3G footprint to that of either Verizon or Sprint. It was and still is a joke. It really doesn't matter if they had 3G available for 10 years if it was only available in a handful of cities. I'm glad that it was available in your city but that doesn't help the majority of Americans.
Well I wonder how long it will take AT&T to convert from 3.75G to 4G, as I haven't heard much talk about it yet. It seems to me that since AT&T is working on expanding 3G now, it will take a while before they start the upgrade to 4G.
It doesn't matter if it was fully rolled out or not dude. A 3G phone works on GSM bands as well when it can't find a UMTS network. Do you think all the people who bought the 3G phones that were out at the launch of the iphone had 3G? Ofcourse not. For them it acts like a GSM phone. Apple new damn well the 3G network was expanding and that the rollout would be done by mid 2008.
The 2nd revision of HSDPA (3.5G) has a throughput of 7.2 Mbps, the 3rd revision is at 14.4 Mbps. Both of these are in excess of Sprints expected Wimax throughput. However latency is lower. The problem is Sprint is in major financial trouble. They are the only major wireless company losing net customers, so who knows if they can roll out.
Last I heard Sprint is going to get financial backing.
Talks are back on again. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=19&entry_id=23819
Talks are back on again. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=19&entry_id=23819
Nice but I don't live in a city and I don't work in a city. Oh well.
I seem to remember that Jobs said that the phone could not go 3G until the new 3G chips had significantly lower battery drain and that he expected the chips some time in early 2008, if I remember this correctly, then it would be possible for a 3G iPhone in the second or 3rd Quarter.
I could have misunderstood.
I seem to remember that Jobs said that the phone could not go 3G until the new 3G chips had significantly lower battery drain and that he expected the chips some time in early 2008, if I remember this correctly, then it would be possible for a 3G iPhone in the second or 3rd Quarter.
I could have misunderstood.
Ya CSCO provided a lower than expected guidance.
It will just take some time and these stronger companies will re-show their colors.
Now we need a "dongle" that will permit the MBA connect to a 3G network. less time at starbucks, more time in the park or at the beach.
The carries all (ATT, VERIZON, SPRINT) have USB adaptors you can use to connect the MacBook Air to a 3G network... they work on any mac, duhh.
Great thread. Lots of good information in here.
What is 4G exactly? Before a couple weeks ago I didn't even know there was "3.5G" or "3.75G"... I thought it was just 3G.
I actually haven't had much experience with 3G until I played around with an LG CU500 that has HSDPA. Latency is a bit better at around 150ms and the download speeds are pretty good. Tethering with bluetooth (limited by bluetooth actually), I got around 600-700 kbps, more than good enough for browsing.
What is 4G exactly? Before a couple weeks ago I didn't even know there was "3.5G" or "3.75G"... I thought it was just 3G.
I actually haven't had much experience with 3G until I played around with an LG CU500 that has HSDPA. Latency is a bit better at around 150ms and the download speeds are pretty good. Tethering with bluetooth (limited by bluetooth actually), I got around 600-700 kbps, more than good enough for browsing.
3G IS orders of magnitude faster than EDGE. There is no point in arguing about it, really.
A 3G chip might have been consuming more power in 2006 than an non-3G one, but it is now 2008 and technologies move on. Chips have become smaller, faster, and more efficient. For a data-centric device such as the iPhone, a faster downlink can change the way you do alot of things with it.
That is because they are two different devices using different rendering engines...etc. You cant do such a comparison and deduce that EDGE is faster than 3G. This is ridicilous.
Show me a video of an iPhone on EDGE and ANOTHER iPhone on 3G, then we can talk.
I've read now the first 3 pages here and I am shocked why everbody here thinks only about iphone-usage in the states. hello! there are also people in the rest of the world - and some have 3G! I am from good old Vienna and I have a 3G phone now for nearly 4 years. It's already rather old technology here.... well old but fast.
The stuff Jobs said about battery-life is simply not true. I mean we have 3G smartphones, even more advanced stuff compared to phones sold in the US and the battery-life is absolutly OK (2-3 days, surfing, videostreaming and so on). UMTS needs a little bit more battery but still a company like Apple should find a moderate solution to that problem.
I personally think the 3G phones are the only way to sell the phone here in Europe. People are not willing to pay 500 bucks for old technology (that's why the iphone will not sell well in Japan).
The stuff Jobs said about battery-life is simply not true. I mean we have 3G smartphones, even more advanced stuff compared to phones sold in the US and the battery-life is absolutly OK (2-3 days, surfing, videostreaming and so on). UMTS needs a little bit more battery but still a company like Apple should find a moderate solution to that problem.
I personally think the 3G phones are the only way to sell the phone here in Europe. People are not willing to pay 500 bucks for old technology (that's why the iphone will not sell well in Japan).
Most people in the USA will be happy for the USA, those in France will be happy for their ability to use their 3G current installation. Not many USA people would be excited over it being available elsewhere, LOL.
I hope that Montana is one of the states they are planning to expand to! I recently moved here from Chicago and had to cancel AT&T service. I could have unlocked the iPhone and used Chinook Wireless, but their rates are steep for data. I am now using a work-issued Blackberry. Reluctantly.