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AT&T Expanding Their 3G Network in 2008

manhattanboy said:
Which is also why I believe Apple choose not to flood the ATT 3G networks that were getting use by every other smart phone, hence you heard the masses on something none of the other cell phone makers were using anymore (EDGE).
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I'm not sure that is correct. There are still EDGE phones available from other companies today.

BlackBerry Pearl
BlackBerry Curve
BlackBerry 8820
BlackBerry 8800
BlackBerry 8700c
Palm Treo 680
Motorola Razr V3
A bunch of Nokia, Samsung, LG, and Sony Ericcson phones
 
frankly said:
I'm not sure that is correct. There are still EDGE phones available from other companies today.

BlackBerry Pearl
BlackBerry Curve
BlackBerry 8820
BlackBerry 8800
BlackBerry 8700c
Palm Treo 680
Motorola Razr V3
A bunch of Nokia, Samsung, LG, and Sony Ericcson phones
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Out of ATT's current smartphone lineup that you can buy:
Those with 3G:
-Blackjack
-BlackJack(TM) II
-Palm® Treo(TM) 680
-Pantech Duo (which also can use EDGE)
-Moto Q(TM) Global
-Palm treo 750 (which also can use EDGE)
-AT&T Tilt(TM)

Those in the EDGE ONLY category:
Apple iPhone
All CRACKberries (don't get me started on when on EARTH the drivers for the crackberries are going to be made available...xp64pro 3 YEARS waiting now).
 
manhattanboy said:
Out of ATT's current smartphone lineup that you can buy:
Those with 3G:
-Blackjack
-BlackJack(TM) II
-Palm® Treo(TM) 680
-Pantech Duo (which also can use EDGE)
-Moto Q(TM) Global
-Palm treo 750 (which also can use EDGE)
-AT&T Tilt(TM)

Those in the EDGE ONLY category:
Apple iPhone
All CRACKberries (don't get me started on when on EARTH the drivers for the crackberries are going to be made available...xp64pro 3 YEARS waiting now).
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Am I missing something here? I never implied that there were no 3G phones available. However, you did say

manhattanboy said:
on something none of the other cell phone makers were using anymore (EDGE).
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There are plenty of phone makers using EDGE. Also, the Treo 680 is NOT a 3G phone.
 
i personally think of 3G as being way to comparable to edge to be used in iphone gen2. when i shell out the money for another i want something more "revolutionary".
 
Iphone in Mexico will be 3g

In Mexico the main company that could launch the Iphoen will be TELCEL and this week they anouncent the 3g service, so i think that when the iphone arrives to Mexico it will be 3g, The newspapers in Mexico says that the iphone will arrive at mid year.
 
there is still no sign of an iphone around here in Austria. T-mobile in Germany sells it since end of 2007, but T#mobile Austria didn't pick it up yet. I guess people here know that such a device without 3G is - more or less - pointless. I don't want to wait for a MP3 to download 15minutes.
Appple... c'mon... bring it on! Where is my 3G iphone with VGA video and cam with flash??? I want it now!
 
3G has widespread coverage here in the UK, however only 3 currently offer it. Apple have signed a "multi-year deal" with o2 so I'm guessing o2 will have to get in on 3G somehow or the 3G iPhone will not come to the UK.

P.S. To the previous poster who suggested EDGE as as fast as 3G. No, just no.

P.P.S. We even get 3.5G in the UK (I have 2.5G signal on my Nokia 6120c as we speak. Unlimited data for £5p/m makes me happy).
 
sifredi said:
there is still no sign of an iphone around here in Austria. T-mobile in Germany sells it since end of 2007, but T#mobile Austria didn't pick it up yet. I guess people here know that such a device without 3G is - more or less - pointless. I don't want to wait for a MP3 to download 15minutes.
Appple... c'mon... bring it on! Where is my 3G iphone with VGA video and cam with flash??? I want it now!
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Or perhaps it is because the population of Austria is 1/10 that of Germany???
 
.adam said:
P.S. To the previous poster who suggested EDGE as as fast as 3G. No, just no.
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1) There is a difference between theoretical bandwidth and actual bandwidth.
2) There is more to the speed of web browsing than simply network speed. The software and the speed of the processor play at least as important a role as the bandwidth.
 
Please, answer me this:

Is it likely, or possible, for a 3G iPhone to be able to also access Edge?

If one phone can't use both technologies, do you think the plan would be to offer two different phones?

Is 3+G slated to be the defacto technology everywhere in the US?

I live in a not-that-rural area where any service is spotty so I wonder how to plan an iPhone purchase, or maybe just forget it for a while until our corporate masters figure it out.
 
3G iPhone and Broadcom Chip

The earlier rumor was that Apple was waiting for a low power 3G chipset from a semiconductor manufacturer. Broadcom announced such a chip late in 2007 so it is pretty certain any manufacturer with large volume potential--like Apple--would have known about the chipset and probably had a test platform ready for it.

I have not hear much lately on how Apple plans to implement 3G in the next generation iPhone. Does anyone have more details?
 
manhattanboy said:
Right on with the treo.
Why anybody still makes stuff for EDGE is beyond me.
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I don't understand why you don't get this.

1) EDGE is available nearly EVERYWHERE
2) Not everyone needs high speed Internet on their phone. The fact is that if you aren't surfing the Web (which most phones suck at regardless of the speed) then you DO NOT NEED 3G. If 90% of what you do is email than EDGE is not only fast enough, it is more than fast.

The fact is that a couple of years ago I had a BlackBerry model given to me by work that was not even EDGE capable. Email worked super fast and flawlessly on it.

Few people are surfing the Web on their phones. Even fewer need to stream video.

Frank
 
This is nice, but still pathetic compared to Verizon's EV-DO rollout. I love their service but HATE the damn company... alas, I am stuck on a business account for the time being. Does anyone know the current speculation on the iPhone exclusivity and especially if there are different terms for a CDMA vs GSM exclusivity??
GOD DAMN YOU VERIZON. Why didn't you take the iPhone offer??? :mad::mad:
 
winterspan said:
This is nice, but still pathetic compared to Verizon's EV-DO rollout. I love their service but HATE the damn company... alas, I am stuck on a business account for the time being. Does anyone know the current speculation on the iPhone exclusivity and especially if there are different terms for a CDMA vs GSM exclusivity??
GOD DAMN YOU VERIZON. Why didn't you take the iPhone offer??? :mad::mad:
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Actually glad they didn't! Their data prices suck!
 
All cell companies suck, but I was SOOO happy to leave VZW a few years ago. Cingluar/ATT has issues, but my experience w/ them has been tremendously better than it was w/ VZW. If Apple would've gone the VZW route, I would NOT own an iPhone... Of course I realize this is solely my experience.
 
frankly said:
I don't understand why you don't get this.

1) EDGE is available nearly EVERYWHERE
2) Not everyone needs high speed Internet on their phone. The fact is that if you aren't surfing the Web (which most phones suck at regardless of the speed) then you DO NOT NEED 3G. If 90% of what you do is email than EDGE is not only fast enough, it is more than fast.

The fact is that a couple of years ago I had a BlackBerry model given to me by work that was not even EDGE capable. Email worked super fast and flawlessly on it.

Few people are surfing the Web on their phones. Even fewer need to stream video.

Frank
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Hmm.. have you ever tried to download your email over a slow network?. i bet you haven't. surfing is not the only reason to get high speed!!!. edge is definetly not fast enough for email. It's no where close to fast. Fast and edge should not be in the same sentence when it comes to email.
 
WarDogg said:
Actually glad they didn't! Their data prices suck!
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Yeah, their data prices have been too high, but they are starting to come down and something has to be said that it's worth a bit more than AT&T when you can get 3G service even in most smaller suburbs. And Their entire network is EVDO revA which is analogous to HSUPA by making upload speeds fast as well.
Also I would assume that they would have made sweet iPhone phone+data plans for Apple.

cubbie5150 said:
All cell companies suck, but I was SOOO happy to leave VZW a few years ago. Cingluar/ATT has issues, but my experience w/ them has been tremendously better than it was w/ VZW. If Apple would've gone the VZW route, I would NOT own an iPhone... Of course I realize this is solely my experience.
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I've had VZW for 5-6 years and have had an ok experience with them. They have had great service in my area and their 3g broadband network is great, if expensive. I consider all of them pretty much the same for customer service.
Verizon does piss me off with all the BS they pull with disabling phone features, Blutooth, etc.


wnurse said:
Yes, i'm surprised that AT&T didn't decide to leapfrog 3G and go to the next logical level.
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If they've taken this long to start rolling out UMTS/HSPA/3G, I doubt they'll have HSPA+ anytime soon. However they don't need the next generation yet when there is such a large spectrum of HSPA/3G bitrates.
Instead of like most carriers who rolled out HSDPA at 1-3mbps, they will probably end up rolling it out widely at 7.2mbps or 14.4 mbps. Also, usually HSUPA (the upload side) comes years after HSDPA, but I bet we'll see it very soon after the HSDPA rollout
 
wnurse said:
Hmm.. have you ever tried to download your email over a slow network?. i bet you haven't. surfing is not the only reason to get high speed!!!. edge is definetly not fast enough for email. It's no where close to fast. Fast and edge should not be in the same sentence when it comes to email.
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Hmm... did you even read my email??? Go back, read my email and you will have your answer. It makes your smart remark look really really silly.
 
carlgo said:
Please, answer me this:

Is it likely, or possible, for a 3G iPhone to be able to also access Edge?

If one phone can't use both technologies, do you think the plan would be to offer two different phones?

Is 3+G slated to be the defacto technology everywhere in the US?

I live in a not-that-rural area where any service is spotty so I wonder how to plan an iPhone purchase, or maybe just forget it for a while until our corporate masters figure it out.
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3G falls back to Edge/GPRS.

frankly said:
I don't understand why you don't get this.

1) EDGE is available nearly EVERYWHERE
2) Not everyone needs high speed Internet on their phone. The fact is that if you aren't surfing the Web (which most phones suck at regardless of the speed) then you DO NOT NEED 3G. If 90% of what you do is email than EDGE is not only fast enough, it is more than fast.

The fact is that a couple of years ago I had a BlackBerry model given to me by work that was not even EDGE capable. Email worked super fast and flawlessly on it.

Few people are surfing the Web on their phones. Even fewer need to stream video.

Frank
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The thing everyone here is overlooking about 3G, you can use data and voice at the same time. Think about this. You could be IM'ing someone and chatting with someone on the phone at the same time. You could be surfing the web while listening to some one yack at you. You could be downloading stuff while listening to someone yack at you.

When surfing the web and someone calls you will get the call, even if you are actively downloading a page's content. That is great.

All we need is a little bit better battery life, Apple to support it, and AT&T to hurry up with the rollout.
 
diamond.g said:
The thing everyone here is overlooking about 3G, you can use data and voice at the same time. Think about this. You could be IM'ing someone and chatting with someone on the phone at the same time. You could be surfing the web while listening to some one yack at you. You could be downloading stuff while listening to someone yack at you.

When surfing the web and someone calls you will get the call, even if you are actively downloading a page's content. That is great.
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Actually it appears that you are overlooking the fact that AT&T has added this ability to their EDGE network in many locations and as they upgrade their EDGE network it becomes available in more locations. Again, this depends on where you are in the country but there are many reports across the Internet of people being able to receive calls while downloading data.
 
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