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Nope, The $70 INCLUDES the $30 unlimited data portion. Let's do the math:

$39.95 for the 450 minute voice portion + $30 for the unlimited 3G data. This equals $70.

What is confusing is that last time AT$T separated the portions to make it look cheaper. This time they are just making it clear that the consumer has no choice about the data portion.

The data plans increased by $10 and text messages are no longer included at all. NO OTHER CHANGES WERE MADE TO THEIR RATES !!!!!

Ok fine, So why did they take our text messages away???
I guess they figure now that we have a ton of new customers due to the iphone we'll just jack up the price and they'll have no choice but to pay it if they wanna keep their iphones. Bastards!

What happens when the next iPhone comes out? Another upgrade fee and maybe they'll add an additional $10/$20 to the plans?
 
I am still trying to determine if the iPhone is what I need. Can the iPhone do these few things:

1. Can I use the iPhone with my MacBook to get online? I can do this now with my Motorola phone via bluetooth. The only thing is it is at dial-up/networks speeds. Can the iPhone lend its 3G access to the laptop?

2. Can I access my other email accounts (non-.Mac accounts) without purchasing the business plan? What are the requirements?

3. If I can only purchase one phone in line but wanted to purchase additional phones for family but some of them are under 18 how do they qualify/get a phone? Is there an age limit for these contracts?

4. Is it possible to do a PowerPoint/Keynote lecture with an LCD projector, moving about in front of a thousand students, all from the iPhone or do I still need that laptop?

I can answer a few of these. You can access any email accounts, either via a web based email like Yahoo or your ISP email. I have mine set to my ISP account as the email I get directly when I touch the email icon on the phone. You can have a couple set up like that and switch between them. I can also go through yahoo or google for mail vi their websites.

If you have a family plan, you can give whoever you want the phones. You sign the contract, not the child.
 
Nope, The $70 INCLUDES the $30 unlimited data portion. Let's do the math:

$39.95 for the 450 minute voice portion + $30 for the unlimited 3G data. This equals $70.

What is confusing is that last time AT$T separated the portions to make it look cheaper. This time they are just making it clear that the consumer has no choice about the data portion.

The data plans increased by $10 and text messages are no longer included at all. NO OTHER CHANGES WERE MADE TO THEIR RATES !!!!!

This is absolutely correct.

The iPhone is just NOT receiving special treatment anymore.

The rate plans are the SAME as Blackberries with At&t as far as data and SMS.

The only thing I am still wondering is if you can remove the data plan, b/c I was able to do that with my BB. I have WiFi almost everywhere I am...

eR
 
No way I am paying an extra $15/mo for the same service -- especially since 3G speeds aren't even guaranteed.

Why should I pay for text messages too? What does 3G have to do with that. Seriously AT&T, do you think it's worth $100 A MONTH, to the average consumer, to have a phone? Please...
 
This is absolutely correct.

The iPhone is just NOT receiving special treatment anymore.

The rate plans are the SAME as Blackberries with At&t as far as data and SMS.

The only thing I am still wondering is if you can remove the data plan, b/c I was able to do that with my BB. I have WiFi almost everywhere I am...

eR

Don't you have to have the data plan to be able to make calls in a 3G area? Aside from losing visual voicemail. I also would wonder about how the phone turns off the WiFi radio when sleep so any notifications you get (email etc) tend to come over EDGE/UTMS until you actually open the application. Hmm...
 
No way I am paying an extra $15/mo for the same service -- especially since 3G speeds aren't even guaranteed.

Why should I pay for text messages too? What does 3G have to do with that. Seriously AT&T, do you think it's worth $100 A MONTH, to the average consumer, to have a phone? Please...

3G (well the data side) has nothing to do with SMS. SMS is considered to be voice connection not data. Think of SMS as a phone ring.
 
I do not understand all of you people complaining that texting is no longer included, or costs more money. If anything, ATT is giving yo more options now because you're not required to get a texting plan.

Original iPhone: Data=$15 200sms=$5 iPhone 'data'=$20/month
Data=$15 1,500sms=$15 iPhone 'data'=$30/month

The only change (in terms of data and text) is that the data plan is now $30 instead of $15. Your text message plan is still the same price.

No, origional iphone: Data including txt =$20
new Data $30, 1500 txt = $15 = $45 (to stick with the original 200 msg it would be 30 + 5 for $35)
 
3G (well the data side) has nothing to do with SMS. SMS is considered to be voice connection not data. Think of SMS as a phone ring.

Ok. What I meant was, why should I pay $15 for 1500 texts with the new phone when I pay $10 for 1500 texts with the old phone AND it has nothing to do with 3G?
 
i agree with everyone that the rates are steep however it's not like at&t is taking advantage of people. it's standard rates now. all that i'm upset about is the whole elidgability thing. i waited for the "quicker iphone" and didn't get an edge iphone. i currently have a plain old nokia (which is great but no iphone) and now that i want to pay at&t 720$ more over the next 2 years by adding "iphone data" and paying 300$ for a 16gb iphone i can't because of the elidgabilty b.s. i really have a hard time understanding why if you are going to be adding that much to you're bill that you can't get the subsidised price. as i've said before i think i may either get and edge phone and unlock it or MAYBE sign up a used phone...only if i decided at&t can have my money.

i read about activating another iphone before the 11th and then you'll be elidgable. is this working for anyone? please advise. i've got a few friends with iphones, could i borrow theirs, activate with my current 3g simcard and then take the card with me to at&t to activate a new 3giphone @ subsidised price?
 
Ok. What I meant was, why should I pay $15 for 1500 texts with the new phone when I pay $10 for 1500 texts with the old phone AND it has nothing to do with 3G?

Oh, no worries. While it would be nice to include SMS, I understand that AT&T is tired of giving iPhone special privileges. This wouldn't be so much of an issue if Apple had the balls to make a CDMA/GSM world phone like RIM does. Then more than one carrier (at least in the US) could use the phone and prices would fall due to competition.
 
How did he make it more affordable? Please do not give me the $199 BS. It is tied to a contract with increased prices, which you and I and everyone else knows is not more affordable.

You clearly don't understand what the word "affordability" means. Do some research and understand what the word actually means.

People have given multiple examples of what and how it is more affordable in this thread and other comparisons to things that are not cheaper but are more affordable.

I explained it to you in my post. Someone who could not afford $600 can afford $300, it is MORE affordable.
 
i read about activating another iphone before the 11th and then you'll be elidgable. is this working for anyone? please advise. i've got a few friends with iphones, could i borrow theirs, activate with my current 3g simcard and then take the card with me to at&t to activate a new 3giphone @ subsidised price?


im wondering this too...

iphone v1 in hand! its not on my account right now, but someone elses.
 
You know what absolutely cracks me up? The people who think AT&T is going to crash and burn because THEY will not pay $75 for service.

Oh dear, what will poor At&T and Apple do when the line to buy the iphone is 99999 deep instead of 100000. Now, not all pricing models are bulletproof but I'm going to go ahead and assume that AT&T has run plenty of models on this pricing structure and came to an optimized pricing point for AT&T. Not you, individual consumer, but AT&T and the masses. If you can't afford it or don't want to pay, that's fine... the door is that way.

I was really happy when they announced $199/$299 pricing. But then I found out that I wouldn't be eligible because I just upgraded in January and I would have to pay the full price at $399/$499. Now, I have 3 options:

1) don't buy the new iphone. wait till I'm upgrade eligible
2) suck it up and pay $399/$499
3) rage impotently on message boards

What exactly does option #3 get me? NOTHING. That's why I'll just suck it up and pay it -- You know why? Because when I upgraded my phone in January, I knew full well that AT&T was subsidizing my Sony Ericcson for 2 years in order for me to pay only $.01 on it. You never get anything for free. Why do the consumers on this board insist on getting the latest tech for peanuts?
 
shouldn't steve jobs have said the actual price of the phones and then that with elidgable subsity the "deal price" or something like that? i mean for a lot of us, it looks like we won't be able to get those prices.
 
I've tried reading through this thread and my brain hurts now. I'm just trying to find out what I can expect my bill to be/what I will pay. :confused:

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Currently I have the Family Talk (700 Minutes) $60.00 plan with the $9.99 additional line & the $20 iPhone data. ($90 + taxes)

I have a iPhone 1G and my wife has a RAZR.

I plan to upgrade to the iPhone 3G and the wife will keep the RAZR.

(We dont text at all, so a texting plan isn't needed.)
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Will I be able to keep my current plan and just add the $30 3G data for a new total of $100 + taxes. ($60 + $9.99 + $30 data...a $10 increase)

Or will I be forced to sign up for a new Family Talk plan? (cheapest @ $129.99 + taxes...a $40 increase)


Does the new Famliy Talk plan charge $9.99 for an additional line?
 
No, origional iphone: Data including txt =$20
new Data $30, 1500 txt = $15 = $45 (to stick with the original 200 msg it would be 30 + 5 for $35)

The original iPhone data plan was the MediaNet unlimited PLUS the $5 text messaging package bringing you to $20 ($15 + $5). For whatever reason ATT made you get a text messaging plan but combined it all.

Look at all of the possible plans for the old one, they are all $15 + your texting plan, it's just that they are bundled.

Hence the two changes to the new iPhone is now you need the smartphone data plan ($30 instead of $15) and you manually add the text messaging plan.

Everyone thinks that the 200 texts were just included or were free, they were not, it was an addon that you didn't have the option to add.
 
I've tried reading through this thread and my brain hurts now. I'm just trying to find out what I can expect my bill to be/what I will pay. :confused:

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Currently I have the Family Talk (700 Minutes) $60.00 plan with the $9.99 additional line & the $20 iPhone data. ($90 + taxes)

I have a iPhone 1G and my wife has a RAZR.

I plan to upgrade to the iPhone 3G and the wife will keep the RAZR.

(We dont text at all, so a texting plan isn't needed.)
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Will I be able to keep my current plan and just add the $30 3G data for a new total of $100 + taxes. ($60 + $9.99 + $30 data...a $10 increase)

Or will I be forced to sign up for a new Family Talk plan? (cheapest @ $129.99 + taxes...a $40 increase)


Does the new Famliy Talk plan charge $9.99 for an additional line?
You should be able to keep your current plan and just change your data rate (plus whatever sms changes you want to make or not). The Family Plans have always charged 9.99 for each line (past the "included" line 2). For the iPhones that mean 9.99 plus the data plan charge.
 
I've tried reading through this thread and my brain hurts now. I'm just trying to find out what I can expect my bill to be/what I will pay. :confused:

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Currently I have the Family Talk (700 Minutes) $60.00 plan with the $9.99 additional line & the $20 iPhone data. ($90 + taxes)

I have a iPhone 1G and my wife has a RAZR.

I plan to upgrade to the iPhone 3G and the wife will keep the RAZR.

(We dont text at all, so a texting plan isn't needed.)
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Will I be able to keep my current plan and just add the $30 3G data for a new total of $100 + taxes. ($60 + $9.99 + $30 data...a $10 increase)

Or will I be forced to sign up for a new Family Talk plan? (cheapest @ $129.99 + taxes...a $40 increase)


Does the new Famliy Talk plan charge $9.99 for an additional line?

As an existing customer you only need to add a 3G data plan, so yes you can keep your current voice plan, and just swap the original iPhone package with a $30 package.
 
As an existing customer you only need to add a 3G data plan, so yes you can keep your current voice plan, and just swap the original iPhone package with a $30 package.

Thanks for the quick replies guys. And this is good news. Just a $10 increase...I can live with that. :D
 
Thanks for the quick replies guys. And this is good news. Just a $10 increase...I can live with that. :D

It's a $10 increase if you chose to not have a text messaging package.

$30 unlimited data, and then chose no text messaging $0, 200 for $5, 1,500 for $15, or unlimited for $20.

Most people are upset because in order to keep the package they have now it is a $15 increase.
 
How can some of you people be happy about these rates? I think they're a bit usurious.

I'm of the opinion that as technology becomes more democratized, the prices should decrease. AT&T doesn't seem to understand that.

Few American companies real industry stand that. So many products, technology or otherwise, later versions come with poorer build and materials quality due to "more cost-efficient manufacturing processes", at higher prices.

The good news is that society can only be pushed so far. Note, primarily due to pretty much the world's lowest gasoline prices -- though that really doesn't matter, as our incomes, transit costs, energy costs, etc., are based on what we are accustomed to paying, not what they're accustomed to paying in, say, Germany -- it has now become hip and trendy to be frugal. That's the first step toward making it a habit, taking as something fun, a trend.

We already had cell phones, could make some use of mobile data for e-mail, looking up maps, data on the web, and the Wi-Fi is handy around the house, if you just want to check your email or look something up, like a phone number, without using a full-fledged Mac. With our T-Mo plans we could get two data-friendly phones, keeping our old plans, both of which had plenty of anytime minutes, free nights (after 9) and weekends, but no rollover, or mobile-to-mobile, and add data plans. My wife finally wanted an iPod, too. I wanted a flash-based iPod for the battery life. So, we got two iPods that suited us, "smart" phones, WiFi devices, kept our mobile service which we use as two-way radio when we're out together and go off in different directions, and to keep in touch with the kids at home, more as a security blanket than as a necessity, as in a life-threatening emergency, calling 911 rather than Mom or Dad generally works out better. On T-Mo we would have paid $160 total per month to add the data, had to buy separate iPods because the T-Mo "music" phones were just not acceptable to us in design, missed on the fringe benefits of the original iPhone. As it turned out, we spent the same on iPhones as we would have the kind of iPods we most wanted, kept our cell service, for $130 total per month. A $30 savings.

My wife uses her voice service more than I do, but still not much. My iPhone stays in airplane mode most of the time so I won't be bothered. We have, after 10 months of service, on the lowest anytime minutes group plan, I just checked, 5,615 rollover minutes. They expire, of course, 12 months after the month they posted, but they'll always be replaced with enough new unused minutes.

This was, considering what we wanted and could use, a good deal. A 3G iPhone upgrade, to pay more, would not be a good deal at all. Faced with the current plans, we probably would have gone with iPod touches and kept our T-Mo plans.

This is just not the time to bump up people on cost. They'll notice. Sales will be negatively influenced. This is a time when people are conscious of screwy pricing. Any notice Target sells food and video games and DVDs? A lot of the food and staples costs have tripled, due, you'll hear, to transportation costs tripling, which makes sense save for the fact only the transportation cost portion of the retail price should triple, not the whole price. But, still, assume a big part of cost of a roll of aluminum foil is transportation cost. Its price has tripled, the roll of aluminum foil. Now DVDs and video games, which even use petroleum-based plastics in the discs and packaging, they're still the same price. These items must appear at the stores' loading docks through wormholes, magic, something like that.

Gimme a break.
 
It's a $10 increase if you chose to not have a text messaging package.

$30 unlimited data, and then chose no text messaging $0, 200 for $5, 1,500 for $15, or unlimited for $20.

Most people are upset because in order to keep the package they have now it is a $15 increase.

Plus, I was thinking of switching to AT&T, for a $15 increase over my T-Mobile plan, but now, it's a $30 increase for me...
 
A question I haven't seen answered

With the uproar about the new monthly pricing, can anyone honestly explain why the iPhone, with a true (although lacking flash) web browser (which uses a lot more mb than other browsers), the ability to download applications over the network, visual voicemail (downloading the messages to your device) and exchange capabilities should have cheaper data plans than the other smartphones ATT offers?

I understand some people are pissed because this phone was billed as being half the price and more affordable by Jobs. But does anyone honestly think that they should be paying less for data on the iPhone than all other phones with less capabilities?
 
I would love it if you guys could give me what my various options will be when I get to the store. My situation:

I have a single iphone, pay the $59.99 for 450 minutes. I do not want to upgrade or change my situation at all. I want to get a second iphone for a child, the 3G, and get the $5.00 text plan for 200 messages. I use over 300 minutes a month consistantly, but have only had to go into my roll over minutes one time; Close occasionally, but only once did I dip. My son uses his cell phone a lot. He is on Verizon as is everyone else here so it does not use minutes for the most part. That, of course, will change. But he leaves for school soon in an AT & T dominated area so the billable minutes will drop back somewhat.

I have a couple of different scenarios written down. I would appreciate if anyone has the time, to offer their best solutions to my needs.

Oh and...when not in a 3g supported area, his will revert to Edge, correct?
 
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