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It's funny that people are angry at AT&T for locking a SIM but these same people have no problem with Apple's closed ecosystem or the requirement to have a mac device to watch product launches. Some of us use products from multiple vendors. A locked SIM is no big deal compared to some of Apple's restrictions.

I just switched back to an iPhone and some of these comments make we wonder about Apple fans. This site is much more fanboyish than when I visited back 6 years ago.

Key difference -- Apple stood on stage and said point blank, "Thanks to our new Apple SIM, you can switch between any of these carriers whenever you want and use one SIM card." AT&T obviously agreed to those conditions at some point because they're on the list of carriers that support the Apple SIM. Now, clearly, after the device has launched, AT&T has changed their mind.
 
It's funny that people are angry at AT&T for locking a SIM but these same people have no problem with Apple's closed ecosystem or the requirement to have a mac device to watch product launches. Some of us use products from multiple vendors. A locked SIM is no big deal compared to some of Apple's restrictions.

I just switched back to an iPhone and some of these comments make we wonder about Apple fans. This site is much more fanboyish than when I visited back 6 years ago.


you can watch apple product launches in quicktime on windows last time i heard
 
They want the customer to think they have no other choice. The customer will learn...and so will AT&T, eventually.

Maybe. We'll see. My T-Mobile Test Drive phone arrives in a few days, and I've been an AT&T subscriber for 15 years. I'm tired enough of their crap to go through the hassle of switching carriers.
 
Key difference -- Apple stood on stage and said point blank, "Thanks to our new Apple SIM, you can switch between any of these carriers whenever you want and use one SIM card." AT&T obviously agreed to those conditions at some point because they're on the list of carriers that support the Apple SIM. Now, clearly, after the device has launched, AT&T has changed their mind.


just like with unlimited ipad 1 data!!!!
 
Key difference -- Apple stood on stage and said point blank, "Thanks to our new Apple SIM, you can switch between any of these carriers whenever you want and use one SIM card." AT&T obviously agreed to those conditions at some point because they're on the list of carriers that support the Apple SIM. Now, clearly, after the device has launched, AT&T has changed their mind.

Are you sure they did? I thought the news of the Apple SIM only came after the initial announcement. And obviously Apple programmed iOS to display this message when AT&T was picked, so it's not like it was something AT&T just decided to start doing today.
I don't see what all the hate is about. It's probably a technical limitation on AT&T side. If you want to switch providers freely it sounds like you have T-Mobile and Sprint to choose from. I doubt this issue even affects 99% of people, and everyone here is making a big deal of something minor. Most people will be happy just having one cellular model to choose from, and not needing to worry about if a store has stock in the exact color, size, and carrier they are looking for.
 
I had this question when Apple first talked about this because afaik, sim cards have always been set up to be one and done - some carriers don't even let you reactivate a sim once you've gone to a new one, let alone erase the linkage in their system to an old number in order to put it on a new number...

That said, that doesn't at all explain why it wouldn't be able to be used with OTHER carriers.
 
Stupidest decision

It's the stupidest decision we've known in the mobile tech. Why the F they need to lock the damn SIM? If Verizon and T-Mobile are not charging $ for new SIM, this decision is useless and waste of electronic components.
 
I am confused. Is smartphone locking different from tablet locking? My two year iPhone 5 contract with AT&T expired. I asked ATT to unlock the phone. After ATT approved, the phone is unlocked by connecting it to iTunes then do a backup and restore. It seem the unlock changed something in the phone not the SIM card. Now the unlocked phone still works with ATT network.

So it seems this iPad unlock is not the same as the iPhone. The iPad is not locked. ATT just changed the SIM card so it is identifiable by ATT network.
 
I am confused. Is smartphone locking different from tablet locking? My two year iPhone 5 contract with AT&T expired. I asked ATT to unlock the phone. After ATT approved, the phone is unlocked by connecting it to iTunes then do a backup and restore. It seem the unlock changed something in the phone not the SIM card. Now the unlocked phone still works with ATT network.

So it seems this iPad unlock is not the same as the iPhone. The iPad is not locked. ATT just changed the SIM card so it is identifiable by ATT network.

iPads are never locked. the only exception to that is verizon had a special iPad 2.

however sprint makes you buy a sprint model

with apple sim and the iPad air 2 , sprint no longer makes you buy a sprint model.

with the iPad air 1 , sprint was willing to activate your iPad if you go through red tape.
 
I can sorta see why AT&T is doing this. For start, you can not reuse an old post activated SIM with AT&T. Each time you want to transfer your number to a SIM, it has to be a never used AT&T SIM card. Don't know why, maybe its some kind of account theft prevention.

All we're losing out in this case is the Apple SIM. If you're going to switch over to VZW/T-Mobile, etc.. just get a new SIM from those carrier. Yes it's annoying, but its not the end of the world.
 
I have T-Mobile and like T-Mobile but, there are many areas I go where I have no connectivity :(. It doesn't matter how cheap it is or if you get free radio if you can't connect.

If you can connect with T-Mobile, it's the best plan. If you have spotty connections, it's not.

even if you have zero coverage i think paying NOTHING for 200 megabytes of free iPad data is still worth it.

maybe someone will steal your iPad and bring it to a tmobile 2G area and you will get it back
 
Who cares? Get another sim if you switch. You people act like you switch carriers daily. Very likely a system thing and they just don't want to reprogram stuff.
 
I have T-Mobile and like T-Mobile but, there are many areas I go where I have no connectivity :(. It doesn't matter how cheap it is or if you get free radio if you can't connect.

If you can connect with T-Mobile, it's the best plan. If you have spotty connections, it's not.

T-Mo acknowledged the other day that they need to improve their network. That's really the only thing holding them back now.

They've already shown that their marketing can ripple the pond. They just need beef up the service.

Hopefully, now that they've stopped flirting with acquisitions, they will invest in their business as a standalone entity and eventually stand toe-to-toe with Big Blue and Big Red.
 
Who cares? Get another sim if you switch. You people act like you switch carriers daily. Very likely a system thing and they just don't want to reprogram stuff.

Yes. But when u add a layer (going to the store to get a sim). It functions as a deterrent to switch providers/carriers.

Like voter ID laws in the USA. It's a deterrent against people wanting to vote.

People wouod rather change carriers from comfort at their home without sales people tricking them into putting ipad sims on post paid plans ETc.
 
It's stupid for AT&T to try to lock it down, but what's stopping you from going to the Apple store and picking up another SIM. The drama in this thread is hilarious and overblown.

Don't like AT&T? Fine. Go get another Apple SIM. Your iPad is unlocked. You can do whatever you want with it.

If Apple are charging for the SIM why should I pay for a replacement when it was advertised as a Universal SIM.
 
Yes. But when u add a layer (going to the store to get a sim). It functions as a deterrent to switch providers/carriers.

Like voter ID laws in the USA. It's a deterrent against people wanting to vote.

People wouod rather change carriers from comfort at their home without sales people tricking them into putting ipad sims on post paid plans ETc.


And you still can. They can mail you a SIM card. Are we really that short on sense anymore? Again I am pretty sure it's a system thing. You can't even put an existing number on a SIM card in old iPhone with ATT. It has to be moved to a brand new SIM card. My guess is it's a security thing.
 
If you think it's that easy for international visitors you have no idea what you are talking about. It can be a huge hassle to get a local SIM up and running. Apart from finding one in the right physical format and understanding the available plans (with information often being only available in the local language), many require a credit card with a local billing address or even a local bank account to activate. All this stuff can take hours to resolve that you'd rather spend more productively.

Ummm The poster was talking about taking their iPad to London from the US. The local language in both countries is English in this case.

In Europe pre-pay SIMs are commonly available from airports and top up vouchers can be purchased from convenience stores or top ups can even be bought by going online with the SIM installed in the iPad. IIRC international credit/debit cards work just fine.
 
Most likely they're not. But you and a few others are misinterpreting the sometimes imprecise wording people are using to express their irritation or anger over this as them not understanding the difference.

However... for many completely non-technical people who don't know what a SIM card is or that they can swap it, locking the card would in effect lock their device. I'm sure AT&T is well aware of and counting on that.

Most likely they're not? Debatable.

Wasn't there a ruling recently that they can no longer do this?

Actually, it's worse. They used to sell you devices that were locked, and they have to unlock them now (for a fee). However, in this case the customer bought an unlocked iPad and AT&T seems to be locking it, if these reports are right. I would consider that to be property damage.
 
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Are you sure they did? I thought the news of the Apple SIM only came after the initial announcement. And obviously Apple programmed iOS to display this message when AT&T was picked, so it's not like it was something AT&T just decided to start doing today.

You are correct. We found out about the Apple SIM after the event. I was mistaken.
 
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