This.
And honestly, the reasons against a Verizon iPhone make me LOL.
There's a business case for it. In fact, I bet you'll see record iPhone sales when it comes out for Verizon and there will be shortages.
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AT&T Losing iPhone Exclusivity on Wednesday?
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This.
And honestly, the reasons against a Verizon iPhone make me LOL.
There's a business case for it. In fact, I bet you'll see record iPhone sales when it comes out for Verizon and there will be shortages.
Of course not. Does anyone get all up in arms that a copy of Windows 7 Ultimate Edition costs $320 when the DVD itself costs only $0.25 to press? Of course not. People only get all up in arms that Apple sells an iPhone for $600 when it only costs $200 to build.
Microsoft's margins make Apple's look like child's play. Where's the outrage? Nowhere.
It's called selective indignation, and it's apparently triggered by a glowing fruit logo and nothing else.
it's really a win/win for everybody, exclusivity really doesn't benefit anybody, except att initially but even they will benefit from the end of exclusivity from the competition and the easing up on their network
Nintendo consoles are sold for a profit (last I heard a pretty big one at that)...Think of it this way...Apple acts totally opposite of the video game industry...
Video game consoles are sold with minimal to negative profit, and the software is sold with incredible mark-ups (~50% - similar to Apple's margins). And the console makers make their money from licensing fees (App Developer membership fees).
Apple sells the console (ie phone) for large margins, and get next to no profits from the sales of software. The 30% cut that apple gets is to support the data centers, staff, bandwidth, upgrades, financial system to pay out sales to the developers, maintaining the iTunes Store, etc.
Does anyone get all up in arms that Modern Warfare costs $60 when the CD itself costs only $0.10 to press?
Hickman
That's what innovation allows a company to do. The Wii is an innovative machine and experience.
Hickman
I was merely raising the point that Verizon isn't a lot higher, but there is no denying they do nickel and dime people. However the other question is what is considered a lot? 4 dollars? 8 bucks?
I agree on the ETF fee being raised by all carriers soon.
Yep, and I'm also not so arrogant as to presume that it's my place to correct the typos of others ....and better educated than they are that I think I am.
"...and better educated than they are that I think I am". What? If we don't understand what you're saying, your post kind of loses importance, don't you think?
Grammar and accepted spelling change over time, but clarity is the goal.
yeah, i can only see multiple carriers as good for everyone, and inevitable. i do expect verizon to charge more than att for the data plan, however, with the justification that you are paying more for a superior product (the network) and that their network justifies the cost.
I'll be happy to see the iPhone open to other networks. Maybe that will result in lower prices. BUT...until I hear Steve Jobs announce it, I won't get my hopes up.
Verizon might surprise us
There's been a lot of this "Verizon couldn't handle the iPhone traffic" speculation going around. I used to think so too, but then I considered:
1. AT&T came together in its current form barely three years ago. The prior company, Cingular (which reportedly had a reputation for dropped calls) was significantly behind Verizon in building out it's network. Verizon's network is well established and has a reputation for consistent call quality and connection.
2. Verizon has had over 2.5 years to observe AT&T's experience and struggles with the iPhone, and has been taking copious notes. Whereas AT&T was pretty much blindsided by the enormous popularity of the device.
Given the above, there's the possibility that Verizon will have a smoother adoption of the iPhone than AT&T did, further damaging AT&T's reputation.
However, one big plus for AT&T is that it's GSM network allows for simultaneous voice and data use, while Verizon's CDMA does not.
Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of Verizon -- with it's "cripple the phone and make you pay a monthly charge for it's built-in features" tactics, it is one of the world's greediest nickle-and-dimers. Just bringing up some points to consider.
There's been a lot of this "Verizon couldn't handle the iPhone traffic" speculation going around. I used to think so too, but then I considered:
1. AT&T came together in its current form barely three years ago. The prior company, Cingular (which reportedly had a reputation for dropped calls) was significantly behind Verizon in building out it's network. Verizon's network is well established and has a reputation for consistent call quality and connection.
2. Verizon has had over 2.5 years to observe AT&T's experience and struggles with the iPhone, and has been taking copious notes. Whereas AT&T was pretty much blindsided by the enormous popularity of the device.
Given the above, there's the possibility that Verizon will have a smoother adoption of the iPhone than AT&T did, further damaging AT&T's reputation.
However, one big plus for AT&T is that it's GSM network allows for simultaneous voice and data use, while Verizon's CDMA does not.
Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of Verizon -- with it's "cripple the phone and make you pay a monthly charge for it's built-in features" tactics, it is one of the world's greediest nickle-and-dimers. Just bringing up some points to consider.
Dramatically increasing the market for iPhones/tablet things by allowing more than one carrier.
As the load is spread out, actual user experience and speeds magically and immediately improve.
Text books are replaced by tablet. Apple sells text book apps to school districts. Districts save millions, texts are up to date and interesting, test scores go up dramatically.
Newspaper and book sales increase dramatically.
Apple stock soars to 1000. Short-sellers are wiped out, but I am rich. That alone is worthy of being "the best thing I have ever done".
As the load is spread out, actual user experience and speeds magically and immediately improve.
Text books are replaced by tablet. Apple sells text book apps to school districts. Districts save millions, texts are up to date and interesting, test scores go up dramatically.
Newspaper and book sales increase dramatically.
Apple stock soars to 1000. Short-sellers are wiped out, but I am rich. That alone is worthy of being "the best thing I have ever done".
Still have to use EGDE in many places, even at home, glad I have WiFi. Don't see this changing anytime soon. 3G coverage is spotty in many locations.
Why does the Verizon phone have to launch weds? It can't launch in the summer with the 4G?
Exclusivity has been a win/win.
User benefit AT&T benefit
save $400 on phone keep customer for 2 years
Even if you were able to purchase an iPhone that was unlocked for even a $400 price tag, you still pay the same for service, just no contract.
If Verizon did have an iPhone on their network, say in a month, most current iPhone users will need to pay the escape fee, just to make the switch. And then they need to purchase a new iPhone and start all over on a new 2 year agreement.
Oh, and if you wanted to go to T-mobile, you will need to get an iPhone from them as well, your is locked to AT&T. Unless you have a hack for solving that issue.
How about a March release for the Tablet and CDMA iPhone....
With Verizon getting an exclusive on the "new phone" until June
I hope the iPhone eventually ends up on other carriers, spreading the data load can only help service on AT&T's network. Will VZ put the same limits on the iPhone by restricting your usage, such as not allowing you to talk and surf? as it does now on their other phones?
VZ has better overall coverage where i live but not being able to access email, maps etc.. while on the phone is a deal breaker for me. I don't know about pricing on VZ but I think users that bitch about AT&T find will just as many things to bitch about with VZ once they move over. I hope it happens and AT&T see masses of iPhones users move to VZW... then I'll have less congestion and higher speeds with AT&T where I live
It's not bad now, but soon could be better than my 5mb cable speeds!
VZ has better overall coverage where i live but not being able to access email, maps etc.. while on the phone is a deal breaker for me. I don't know about pricing on VZ but I think users that bitch about AT&T find will just as many things to bitch about with VZ once they move over. I hope it happens and AT&T see masses of iPhones users move to VZW... then I'll have less congestion and higher speeds with AT&T where I live
It's not bad now, but soon could be better than my 5mb cable speeds!
I hope they do let the iPhone onto other carriers only so my friends who have AT&T will stop complaining about them. Anything to take a load off of AT&T's network is a good thing.
I'd love to hear the reasoning behind this.
I hope AT&T don't lose iPhone exclusivity for a LONG time
I'd love to hear the reasoning behind this.
This is a technical thing of the network, not something Verizon is implementing and can change.
Unlike edge however (from what i have read), you have the option of taking a phone call while surfing, it doesn't go straight to VM.
It's a non-issue for me personally.....
I hope AT&T don't lose iPhone exclusivity for a LONG time
Why?
It will benefit both Apple and consumers if it's available on more networks.
Previous MCI/Verizon customer-
DATE ........ TOTAL....PHONE....TAX & SURCHARGES
Feb 2005 - $33.56 - $22.99 - $10.57
Dec 2006 - $40.37 - $25.99 - $14.31
Oct 2007 - $42.76 - $26.96 - $15.80
Jan 2008 - $44.75 - $28.99 - $15.76
Apr 2008 - $55.50 - $38.99 - $16.51
April 2008 - cut the phone line completely.
Losing customers, so raise rates for remaining customers - good business model ... NOT!
I hope AT&T don't lose iPhone exclusivity for a LONG time
yeah. um. why?
do you have any idea how much better it would be for everyone if it was available on other networks? the strain to att's network would be relieved, and A LOT more people would be likely to purchase it. att's network blows seriously in my area, so i know several people that WOULD get an iphone if att was not the only option, myself included.
verizon iphone. that's the only announcement worth hearing besides the tablet IMO