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AT&T Optimizing EDGE Network Ahead Of iPhone
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Guess that in that sense I'm more of a socialist guy. I'm one of those who believe in public health systems (they do work in other countries) and I believe that technology should be accessible for everyone. Call me crazy if you want.
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That is what I and many others were hoping.
Apple just bust out of the gates, ala Helio, and offer their "own" network.
Turns out, the cell pone game is a bit more complicated than that.
Apple likes control. And we can all be fairly certain Apple is playing this game with AT&T to absorb as much experience as possible before going their own way.
Apple will eventually act as service provider.
After their contract w/ AT&T expires, that's when things get really interesting...
Maybe after this "dip in the cell phone pond" Apple will create their own cell phone company and bring us here in the US up to speeds with the European and Asian markets. And all this ATT vs Verizon, no 3G support etc. will come to an end. That's thinking differently. If you can't play ball in the park you want to play at, build your own ballpark.
I can only hope but I'd gladly give up Cingular to be on the "Apple Network".
That is what I and many others were hoping.
Apple just bust out of the gates, ala Helio, and offer their "own" network.
Turns out, the cell pone game is a bit more complicated than that.
Apple likes control. And we can all be fairly certain Apple is playing this game with AT&T to absorb as much experience as possible before going their own way.
Apple will eventually act as service provider.
After their contract w/ AT&T expires, that's when things get really interesting...
my guess is that it will be 3G capable but not 3G enabled. Kind of like the macbook core2duo was with 802.11n before the new airport extreme came out. It was just a simple 1.99 software fix that enabled it. It will be like that I believe. Otherwise,... no there is no way they would not be prepared for 3g this is apple, a company of inovation.
If there is not some kind of accomdation for implimentation of 3G, Im selling my apple stock that day. It would go against everything that apple stands for. For those who think its not a big deal (they are probably still on dialup) it is a massive dealbreaker, and apple is WAY smarter than that. It is true that it will not be 3G enabled but Im sure it will be capable and that there is a plan to quickly enable ALL iPhones.
I couldn't imagine calling you crazy actually.
There is almost nothing to go off of, but my guess is that you're more of a halfway socialist guy. You like the idea of everyone having "access" to 3.5G networks, for example. And if that's the case why not suggest that our government rations out the iPhone. I'd love to get on a list and wait for ten years to get one. I would also love one in red and yellow with a few stars on it. I just can't imagine it'd be a quarter as good as the one we'll see soon enough, but that's a bit beside the point.
I wonder if you could point to a single technological innovation that was developed, produced, and widely used in the five current socialist countries that you feel illustrates the comparative greatness of going that route. Of course it'd be easy enough to argue that there is a bit of a sampling bias since there is such a paltry number of such countries. Fair enough.
If you're as sure of your last point as you suggested then I take it that you'll hold on to your stock. You said yourself that it will come out capable that that they'll be a plan to quickly enable it on all iPhones. That would seem like "some kind of accomdation [sic] for implimentation [sic] of 3G."
I am absolutely confident that there will be a plan. They would not do that, this is apple, not a fly by night company tying to make a quick buck. THey would alienate the 10million people they hope to sell the iPhone to. The same people who have Macs and iPods, and appleTVs. There will be a plan to impliment 3G as soon as they get it throgh the FCC. I expect that anouncement at the Keynote next week.
i still cant believe there wont be 3G on this phone as advanced as it is. i am essentially downgrading phones in that area. i realize that 3G deployment is very limited right now, but at&t should spend all the money they have to expand it rapidly. they are wayyyy behind verizon and sprint in that area. EDGE is alright, but for a great internet experience, it doesnt cut it.
it wouldnt be rash, its business, and money isnt a toy. When 3G is announced as a capability you WILL see stock rise. If they FAIL to make accomidations, it will FALL. It is a big deal, and sales will suffer. Apple wants people out there to show off their new phones. Phones that impress. They do not want to roll out a product that is dissapointing. I show my friend a great phone that is impratical to use because of the slow network- that will be his impression of apple and his impression of ATT also for that matter. They will want to show off all these great features in the best way possible. They do not wnt to be affiliated with anything second rate. It doesnt have to be 3G enabled the day it rolls out as long as they announce a plan and let people know that they will be able to take advantage of it as soon as they get approval.
If Apple isn't interested in making a quick buck what sort of buck are they interested in? Why aren't they interested in a quick buck?
So releasing it without a plan to go from Edge to 3G would alienate 10 M people?
I guess we don't have to worry about anyone being alienated since we have your word that it will have the plan soon enough.
The first part is correct, the second not so much. See the iPhone has already been announced, with FCC specifications that included EDGE and not 3G. If I recall, stock went up, not down.
I think you're making a mountain out of what is, right now, a mole hill.
Do you realize what the average person uses for a cell phone? You think the iPhone needs the 3G to impress people? I bet I could poll people down the street if they know it's possible to surf full fledged web pages on their phone, and most would say they didn't.
THe average person isnt the target market for the iPhone. Think about the market. 3G IS VERY VERY important to THAT market.
As far as the stock, of course at the announcemnet, but it is common knowledge (and expectation) that there will be more information to come next week, and if you dont think expectations are for MORE features, then your not paying attention. If nothing more is added, trust me, stocks will take a hit.
As far as the stock, of course at the announcemnet, but it is common knowledge (and expectation) that there will be more information to come next week, and if you dont think expectations are for MORE features, then your not paying attention. If nothing more is added, trust me, stocks will take a hit.
I agreed with you for a split second...
I think the people that care and know what 3G is, are the business men and women, and us nerds. Face it, knowing what 3G is makes you a nerd
The iPhone, as with many Apple products, is taking advanced technology and making it easy enough for the average person to use. No one but advanced cell phone users use internet capabilities, and I bet most of them were/are forced because of work.
The iPhone is not targeted at businesses, it is not targeted at nerds, it's targeted at the average person that did not even know you could surf the internet with a phone. Those people will be FAR from disappointed with EDGE, assuming they even know (or understand when told) what that is.
Am I not giving humanity enough credit?
well... this is my own experience...
when I lived in asia I used to have a regular 2.5G phone and I barely use it to access wap or web or use it for any data connection... then when sonyericsson W900i came out I spent approx. $700 USD for the phone with 3G plan... and the plan costed me about 10 USD more than my old plan...
and guess what? I still didnt the 3G service for wap or web or any data connection as much as I thought I would....
so... iphone fits my need
when I lived in asia I used to have a regular 2.5G phone and I barely use it to access wap or web or use it for any data connection... then when sonyericsson W900i came out I spent approx. $700 USD for the phone with 3G plan... and the plan costed me about 10 USD more than my old plan...
and guess what? I still didnt the 3G service for wap or web or any data connection as much as I thought I would....
so... iphone fits my need
So you think the "average" person is just gonna plop down $500 for a phone. Come on. ATT has not been shy about its design to Target business users. The people who buy Macs are not the same kind of people who go out and buy the low end Dells. You're not seeing the big picture. If apple is relying on the "average" cell phone user to sell to it is really in trouble. There are so many options put there, cheaper and faster. Apple is "High End" & standards have been raised even since the iPhone's announcement. They need to be ahead not lagging. This said, I believe that there is a great deal we dont know about the iPhone. A great deal that will move apple ahead of the compitition in the "high end" I know that apple will have some kind of announcement about enabling 3G on THIS generation of iPhone, its just a matter of how long it will take and how easy it will be.
the sonyericsson W900i is not the iPhone, and it does not sell itself on the same capabilities as the iPhone.
I could buy HD service but it wont look any better on my SD Television.
or maybe I'll get a 1080p HD TV and ssubscribe to standard def programing.
I could buy HD service but it wont look any better on my SD Television.
or maybe I'll get a 1080p HD TV and ssubscribe to standard def programing.
You think the average person is going to plop down $400-500 for an mp3 player? It's the same arguments over again except instead of the iPod having a smaller hard drive than a Nomad at launch it is the iPhone not having 3g at launch.