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Ruining The Best Phone Out There....

So we're soon going to have the iPhone 5 (or whatever they end up calling it).
This phone will have great features - A great web browser, video, FaceTime, etc...
A big plus is this phone will be on the 4G LTE network for the fastest bandwidth available today!

But what good is all of this if ATT, Verizon or whoever puts such stringent data limits on us? Great, I have this great phone on a great network, but I can't use it because I'll hit my 2 GB data limit in 2 days!

I feel like I'm back on AOL in the 80's where you can surf the web all you wanted to...Up to your 5 hour limit!
 
Tried Skype a few months back...over 3G and over WiFi and it kept dropping calls within seconds.
Cannot use Facetime because iPad and iPhone are both technically on my name and not able to switch out users. sucks either way for me but seems very silly of ATT.


I understand ATT will make boatloads of cash with their new plans. but they'd make $$ if they allowed usage of 3G and then charged more when people went beyond their usage plan anyway.

******s
 
They may be technically correct, but how about sweetening the deal for existing customers instead of making us feel like two-bit whores who've suckled at the teat of "cheap" for far too long? All I ever see is "raising the fees for this, adding a cost to do that".

When will we ever see a respectable lowering of costs?

You will never see that. The best you can hope for is paying essentially the same for more and more functionality, with a few bumps and dips along the way.

EDGE data plans were only $20 a month for unlimited data five years ago. Would you prefer they stayed with EDGE speeds and lowered the price every year?

In 20 years, people will be complaining about paying $40 a month ($30 in today's dollars) for 3 TB of gigabit 7G service.
 
AT&T is so full of it. Apple should remove Facetime as a built-in app and make it one you have to download!
 
Preposterous argument, an app is an app, preloaded or not. People will always find a way around the rules. #jailbreak Super-lame AT&T.
 
I said... Release the Kraken!
***taps on intercom microphone***
....Hello. Is this thing on? Anyone there? Arn, are you at the kraken cage? Can you let that thing out already please, AT&T needs to feel my wrath.
 
Quite. This is a classic example of finding a distinction where none exists.

Then again, maybe there's still time for Apple to split FaceTime out into a separate, downloadable app before they release iOS 6. :D
I highly doubt that would ever happen. ATT is just one phone company out of hundreds for apple. Delivering carrier specific installments is not going to happen.

For the majority of people like me this is a non issue. Nothing changes for me and anyone that does not move to a shared plan. Facetime will work for me when ios6 comes out just like it works for me today.
 
Props to AT&T. No one should be using heaving video streaming on wireless connections anyway. Just use your home internet. Problem solved.

Are you trolling? just use home internet? are you always at home? if so why do you even have a mobile?
 
Why doesn't Apple get involved? Don't they want more iPhones to sell? Here is a idea, why doesn't Apple start their own Cell Phone service?
 
Share plan only! What about people that have single plan?

You can technically be put on a family plan for just one person, so I don't see why you can't be put on a mobile share plan.

This really is stupid but at the same time I had androids and AT&T block gtalk video chat over 3G also which is preloaded app. So this is not the first time AT&T have done this but I would of hoped apple would of never approved this. If only apple let you integrate apps into the phone app to video chat with some quickly like android but I guess there too busy sue Samsung for every detail.
 
Is bitching everyone's favorite thing to do on this forum? If any of you have a brain, you wouldn't be wasting your time complaining to people that can't do anything for you, you might be looking at these new plans and figuring out how you can screw ATT by paying less each month. If people would get off their "entitled" horse and do something productive, they might see that big groups of people can save a ton of money on these new plans plus get way more for what they are paying for. Sorry your "unlimited" plan isn't your golden egg anymore but there's nothing you can do about. Byte... the bullet and figure out a way for you to come out on top.
 
It's preloaded, so the law doesn't apply.

Sounds like a pretty weak argument to me.

If it's downloaded, net neutrality applies. Ok, then you can't block tethering by using MyWi or threaten to change people's plans or throttle their connection because they are using it.

Sorry, doesn't work both ways.
 
AT&T should just eliminate the unlimited data plans.

I'm surprised they haven't, at least for any customers upgrading.

Of course, I'm surprised that they allowed people to keep no longer existing voice plans when they upgraded as well.

Obviously if they eliminated the data plan for people under contract, that frees them up, and even doing so for people who don't upgrade many would leave.

I'm guessing they'll do what Verizon did and require it with the new iPhone.

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AT&Ts argument is still flawed. If you are limiting access out of concern for the stability and operation of the network, how does allowing subscribers of a different subscription class access not cause risk?

Because if your data is limited you are much less likely to use facetime as a baby monitor.
 
So what can we do?
Complain to FCC?
Plead with Apple?
Drop ATT.

Can someone post links to appropriate sites to voice our concerns.

Or are there any?
 
You may send what ever data packets you like into the public RF spectrum. It's when it gets to AT&T's antennas and other infrastructure that they can ignore them.

FaceTime over walkie-talkie is what you're thinking of.

Giving the benefit of the doubt - I think you misunderstand the point. Besides, spurious emissions in a licensed band are illegal in order to protect the licensed user.

ATT operates a wireless network because they are licensed to do so by the FCC acting on behalf of the public. We, the people, "own" the RF spectrum, the FCC regulates it for our benefit. (This is why you can comment on a TV or radio station's renewal application stating that they have not operated in the public interest - it probably won't affect the renewal but you are entitled to comment)

At its root, ATT operates this wireless network at our pleasure. If they choose not to play by the rules the FCC has laid down they are free to sell their infrastructure to another or cease operating such a network.

OUR problem is that the FCC has only recently begun to enforce neutrality and open access regulations for OUR benefit and that ATT believes it may flaunt those regulations without repercussion. Verizon recently learned the FCC was serious about the open access provisions that encumber the 700 MHz license where they have deployed LTE. Perhaps the FCC can remind ATT it is serious about neutrality when using PUBLIC resources for financial benefit.
 
They may not technically be violating net neutrality principles, but they certainly are violating the spirit of those principles. Data is data; if a customer is on a limited data plan, they should be allowed to use that data any way they like. I can see the concern for grandfathered unlimited customers, but for people who are limited, it's ridiculous to restrict FaceTime to "mobile share" customers.

"Data is data."

Exactly, If I purchase a plan with however many GB of data, I should be able to use them any way I please, be that with an iPad or any other device in addition to my iPhone. That is the way it is in at least some parts of Europe. The sad thing is that AT&T would sell more data that way and they don't realize it.
 
I posted this in another thread not long ago, but it bears repeating again in this thread.



^^^That is total BS!

From my other post earlier...

This whole US cellular market of data usage is a bunch of bunk. 1GB, 3GB or unlimited, it's all irrelevant. The quantity of data a person uses has no affect on the network of AT&T, Verizon, et al. What matters and affects the network and it's users is the number of people on the network at a given time, in a given area and how many it can support. That's where the slow downs occur and congestion takes over. This is true whether a person uses 1MB or 10GB; it's all the same.

Imagine a highway with 2 lanes and 100 cars on it driving 55mph. Traffic should run fairly well. Now triple the amount of cars on the same road and traffic is going to get congested and the speed overall is going to drop significantly. If you widen the same road by 1 or 2 lanes, those 300 cars should be able to drive 55mph again and be fine. This is the same principle of the way the networks work.

The bottom line is the cellular companies are taking us for a ride and not a high speed one. They're cashing in on these "data plans" and restricting us the use of the road. We're only allowed to drive 3 miles on the unlimited length of the road each month. That is without regard to how many lanes are available and the amount of cars on the road. You could be the only car on a 3 lane road, but you're only allowed to drive 3 miles per month, or they're going to penalize you for driving further.

Then there is the text messages. Texting costs them next to nothing to accommodate as they insert that data in between regular telephone calls on the same network. Again, charging us all this money for these plans is uncalled for.

They are bringing in the cash hand over fist, yet their networks lag behind in capacity and speed. What are they doing with all this money? Perhaps they need to streamline their corporate & company structure and become more cost-effective.

Ok, two points to make.
First, you claim this is BS, but your analogy actually demonstrates why it's *not*. (I agree it's the wrong decision.)
Second, yes, they're 'bringing in the cash hand over fist". Yes, the networks are lagging behind in capacity and speed. (True regardless of the network in question.) What are they doing with all this money? Maintaining the existing network and expanding it as fast as all the various levels of bureaucratic red tape they have to deal with allows. It can take anywhere from 6 months to upwards of 6 *years* to get the permits necessary to add antennas and towers which are needed to expand network capacity. This part of the time-frame isn't something that AT&T (or Verizon, or Sprint) can control, and it varies by state, county, township, etc. as each has their own zoning (and other) requirements to be dealt with.

The reason our cellular networks suck so bad compared to most of the rest of the civilized world has to do with how they were built out in the first place. The federal government didn't want to pick a cellular standard, so they decided to 'let the market choose'. This meant that each provider chose their preferred technology, and had to build an independent network. As a result, we currently have 3 *incompatible* cellular networks in the US. All of which are attempting to provide coverage to as much land as possible.

To make fast build-outs possible, the providers *universally* decided to place towers as far apart as practical so that each tower would cover as much land as possible, with as little overlap as possible. As demand increases, there are often *no* other towers close enough to share that demand. The long, and unpredictable, lead times in getting the permits to build new towers makes the process of fixing *this* issue painful for everyone involved.

For the record, once those permits are in place, new tower/antenna builds often take as little as a month or a week depending on the details. This includes running wired bandwidth to the tower (the back haul), *building* the tower (where needed), and installing/configuring the antenna.

The tiered bandwidth plans are an attempt by the networks to get people to self-police their moment-to-moment bandwidth usage, and it works to varying degrees. We've had people here *brag* about how they were sucking down 20+ of GB of data every month on their unlimited plan. That kind of consumption, if it becomes even remotely common, will result in complete network congestion 24x7.

Back when the unlimited plans were originally offered, a 'bandwidth hog' was someone who used a few hundred *MB* of data bandwidth per month. Now, with smart phones having usable browsers and various music and video sites becoming popular, that's a low-usage scenario for the networks. Bandwidth consumption has increased by better than two orders of magnitude on the networks since the iPhone was released. Given that doubling the capacity of the network takes on the order of 3-4 years, it's no wonder why the networks are having issues keeping up. They had updates in the pipeline to handle the expected increases, but those increases were completely blown out of the water.

Again, I think they've made the wrong decision here, and they're using some seriously nit-picky, twisted logic to justify it. That doesn't mean their bandwidth concerns are 'BS'.
 
I didn't read the whole thread, so I'm sorry if someone already pointed this out...

What I find interesting, is that the only plan they allow FaceTime on, is the one with unlimited calling. So FaceTime won't compete with their income on phone call usage.

They do not allow FaceTime on ANY plan that you can be charged for voice overages.
 
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