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You charge them more during peak season... and you don't get unlimited flights for a set fee because their are peak seasons!

actually, American Airlines offered an unlimited, unrestricted worldwide First Class plan that offered any available First Class (or lower class) seat on every flight they have for life. It was $3M for one person or $5M for two people. They no longer offer this plan......just FYI.
 
Why are you blaming those users for AT&T's mistake of signing up more people onto their networks than the networks can handle? If AT&T can't handle how many clients it has. It should make it so that some of these contracts expire after their are up. Again you are pointing the figure at the wrong person.

Agree there are some right muppets here who dont realize that all teh services that apple want to roll out like Itunes match are going to be screwed by money grubbers like ATandT. 3GB is nothing. If you dont use your iphone to its full potential thats your fault, dont blame otehrs who are.

ATAND T cant have it both ways. If there is too much demand, dont allow new subscribers, if their bnetwork cant handle it taht is their fault, ATNDT's network is providing a worse service because they keep singing up people when their network cant handle it.

Some people are thick.


How do you think Siri works? Guess..............................
 
Which is why the FCC ruling where they couldn't take over T-Mobile and increase their spectrum is relevant here.

So you propose to give a company that can't honor its agreements more spectrum? Are you off your rocker?
 
I'm opening a bar offering unlimited booze for 10 bucks. Only thing is, its poured through a nozzle 2 microns wide. I hope no one breaks my windows.
 
Which is why the FCC ruling where they couldn't take over T-Mobile and increase their spectrum is relevant here.

How is it relevant? As a customer, that's not my problem at all and ATT can't punish me because they're unhappy with the FCC
 
If AT&T is throttling users because it doesn't have enough spectrum in some markets (to the point it was willing to spend $40 billion to buy T-Mobile in order to get more spectrum), and it's the FCC that controls the spectrum in the US, then the FCC is most definitely involved in this thread.

If AT&T was just about profits, then they would have just throttled people like they're doing now, without trying to buy T-Mobile for $40 BILLION dollars, right?
I don't understand how throttling reduces spectrum usage for those with unlimited data. If I am using up a slot, throttling me doesn't make my slot available.
 
The reason reduced speeds only apply to unlimited smartphone customers is because their data usage is significantly higher than those on tiered plans. For example, in January, the top 5 percent of our unlimited data plan customers used an average of over 50 percent more data than the top 5 percent of customers on tiered plans.

I can't interpret this any other way than stating "the top 5 percent of our unlimited data plan customers are actually using their unlimited plans compared to the top 5 percent of customers on limited plans. This was an unintended consequence when we advertised unlimited data plans."
 
I'm opening a bar offering unlimited booze for 10 bucks. Only thing is, its poured through a nozzle 2 microns wide. I hope no one breaks my windows.

If that's all there was to it, no biggie since no one would take your offer. But it would be pretty bad if the first few months you served them in a regular glass to get them in, and then introduced the new 2 micron nozzles, crying that you couldn't pour fast enough since the demand was too high.
 
No, as I said and as you fail to comprehend, if they can't handle the usage with the spectrum they have been allocated, they need to stop overbooking that spectrum. What is so hard to comprehend there?
And how exactly is AT&T having stopped offering the unlimited data plan to new subscribers last year not an example of them "stopping overbooking the spectrum"?
 
IMO, AT&T was banking on merging with T-Mobile in order to get the extra spectrum required in some markets to be able to handle the data growth. Spectrum is finite. They can build as many towers as they want, but if there's no available spectrum, those towards can't broadcast. As for people saying "AT&T has billions of dollars in unused spectrum", this is true. However, it's not spectrum in a frequency that any of the current 3G phones being sold can use, so it's pointless in that regards.

While they could have done what you suggested, I honestly believe (based on the billions of dollars that they said they've give T-Mobile if the merger fell through) that they thought the T-Mobile merger was going to be a done deal.

Obviously, that merger didn't happen. That was three months ago. Why AT&T continues to offer the unlimited grandfathered data plan since December 2011 (when they knew the merger was off) doesn't make sense, but I think it's hard to make the point that for the last four years, they were purposefully bait 'n switching.

Ok. Your theory may be correct, but all this means is that they should NOW do what I suggested.
 
I do not work for AT&T and I was in contact with Matt Spaccarelli (who won the small claims case) last week to ask his help suing them myself.... Until they made the throttling policy change today. I'm satisfied. I'm on my phone for 3 or 4 hours at a time a day minimum and in order to use 3GB of data (which I've only done once in 3 years) I have to be downloading many files with very large file sizes. Cel phone data networks major advantage to cable or dsl networks is that you can be ANYWHERE and access quick internet. It's not designed to serve hi def movies to people in their cars or on the go. I seriously challenge anyone to rack up 3GB of usage in a month without watching movies on their device.

I used nearly 6GB in about four hours downloading music from iTunes Match. I did this last Friday and Saturday nights from 5PM to around 7 or so. Didn't get throttled and my billing date ended Sunday. I did this on purpose to see if I could get throttled and to see how much data I could use in the three days before my billing ended.
 
If that's all there was to it, no biggie since no one would take your offer. But it would be pretty bad if the first few months you served them in a regular glass to get them in, and then introduced the new 2 micron nozzles, crying that you couldn't pour fast enough since the demand was too high.

Looks like I'm not sneaky enough for all this corporate lark.
 
Still not good enough for me.

This move tells me that "unlimited" is now defined the same as a metered plan, how is that unlimited?

I'm still planning on jumping ship from AT&T when my contract is up and the new iPhone (5) is released. They lost me as a customer a long time ago.
 
The entitled outrage here is mind-blowing. I see nothing wrong with throttling above 3GB/month. Everyone else shouldn't have to pay because of the extreme usage of a few. It's still unlimited. God know what you people use all that data for on your phones. Have some common sense and look at he big picture.

Any outrage you sense in this forum stems not from a sense of entitlement but from the fact that people had signed contracts for unlimited data with expectations that did not match what they are now receiving.
 
Throttling. Have you forgotten the topic at hand?
You keep saying "they need to stop overbooking the spectrum".

They have.

New customers can't get a plan that allows to consume infinite spectrum, and old customers on the old plan that let them do that no longer can.
 
I don't understand how throttling reduces spectrum usage for those with unlimited data. If I am using up a slot, throttling me doesn't make my slot available.

Exactly, Throttling is not about a spectrum crunch, its about a profit center. If they can sell you their Data (unlimited) then they only give you a little and re sell it to more people. Double the money for the same amount of data.

Its like a Taxi driver picking you up and asking "where to" charging you full price, then on the way picking up other passengers and charging them full price also. Two fairs one seat.

They dont even think we know what they are doing.

This latest change was meant to make it harder to win in small claims court against them. Although most of us dont know whats going on I promises you that they do.

That does not however mean that they are unbeatable.
 
seventheedition said:
I'm currently on an AT&T unlimited data plan on my 4s. I'm on the last day of my billing cycle and I've consume 4.5 GB and have yet to be throttled. I wonder if they are still doing this on a case by case basis?
It depends on the area you are in. Apparently 4.5GB didn't put you in the top 5% OR they don't need to throttle much in your area because the network doesn't have congestion problems there.
I think he asking if he would now be automatically throttled under the new policy. The top 5% rule is now gone, yes?
 
You keep saying "they need to stop overbooking the spectrum".

They have.

New customers can't get a plan that allows to consume infinite spectrum, and old customers on the old plan that let them do that no longer can.

Grand-fathered unlimited plans continue to exist. They are not terminating the contracts upon completions. Consequently, they continue to overbook.
 
Because you should also be taking the issue up with the FCC. Put your money where your mouth is and vote for Ron Paul.

What? I have no business with the FCC. ATT's problems with the FCC is their problem and not something I should have to deal with. As a customer of ATT, I only care that they respect the agreement they have with me.
I have to note that I'm speaking out of principle here, I'm not personally a customer of ATT
 
Where does it say, Unlimited at a guaranteed speed?

Well considering the definition of "unlimited," it means without restriction. Restricting the speed is, guess what, a restriction, and an arbitrarily imposed one at that. If AT&T wants to keep doing something like this then they need to stop calling it "unlimited" and be done with it.
 
What? I have no business with the FCC. ATT's problems with the FCC is their problem and not something I should have to deal with. As a customer of ATT, I only care that they respect the agreement they have with me.
I have to note that I'm speaking out of principle here, I'm not personally a customer of ATT

Agreed, and same. I no longer have AT&T since I moved to Canada. I just don't like bad arguments.
 
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