At least a 5 year old would know that question marks that end a question don't need to be followed by a period.
I think most people on this board think that your points are bunk anyway, and they probably hate your guts for it.
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At least a 5 year old would know that question marks that end a question don't need to be followed by a period.
I think most people on this board think that your points are bunk anyway, and they probably hate your guts for it.
Haha, grammar police always make me laugh
It's the tireless effort of a select few that keep the internet on its literal tracks.
Haha, grammar police always make me laugh
It's the tireless effort of a select few that keep the internet on its literal tracks.
Haha. Yup. Actually its more like punctuation police. But there I go again.
That's because that would be theft of service. You'd be stealing cable broadcasts albeit "magically" through the air. No one's talking about modifying the iPhone to get free service they're just talking about modifying it to pay for someone else's service. Modifying said cable ready tv to receive both cable and satellite broadcasts and paying for both services is more along the lines of what I'm talking about.
The government regulates what I can and can't do with my property rightly or wrongly in the name of public safety, but I'm not sure what that has to do with tax policy? All I'm doing is defending my right to tinker.
Just love it. And am I ever impressed with all the shrewd attorney types on Mac Forms, certainly is good to see so many adept at discovery and manipulation of legal technicalities. Anyone from Philadelphia per chance?
Hehe.
I meant more that I find it interesting how many people bitch and moan about something they have probably not ever used nor use on a daily basis.
If they did, and still felt like bitching & moaning, great.
But the former is just weak sauce.
Besides, millions of Windows users hate windows yet continue using it.
I am sorry but please make arguments that are logical. Just because you buy a car doesn't mean you can drive it through a red light? What???? Lets first stop comparing apples to oranges. If you buy a car you can modify it how ever you want! Think about how many hot rods exist is the world. Could you imagine Ford telling the owners of mustangs that they can NOT add a new exhaust or boar out the engine for more horse power! We are debating the difference between ownership and renting/leasing. There is a huge difference. People please at least get the basic fundamentals of Consumer law right before entering this debate.
The slate can clearly be settled on these points:
1.We do not need to debate who owns the iPhone when it is purchased. It is undebatable. So stop doing it!!!!!!
2.There is enough information readily available to prove that the unlocking of cell phones is LEGAL. There are some fine points to this but otherwise it can be laid to rest too.
3.An iPhone can be purchased without an ATT Contract period. Same price as with one.
4. No one can prove or disprove it so drop this "it is subsidized" BS. Apple could be taking a cut of the cell service revenue not a phone subsidy. If you cant prove a point it is not a valid argument in a debate.
5. ATT has no right to determine what a user does with a device once it is purchased unless it is rented and under the rental contract it is clearly stated that no modifications can be performed.
6. If you signed an ATT contract well you made your bed. If you don't like it too bad. No one held a knife to your throat.
The reason this started: I believe a company got caught over promising and under delivering. Either that or iPhoneSimFree.com pulled one heck of a trick out of its bag to delay a competitor from releasing a competing product earlier then they. Finally maybe this did have to do with ATT. They could have used this bogus method to delay the release in order to attempt to find a legal means to prevent the softwares release.
Regardless, even if no company ever sells the unlocking software. We all know that the unlock will make it out to the web and people will use it. NO ONE CARES ABOUT THE LEGALITIES OF USING IT. As long as then get what they want.
Thanks but no thanks. Really not required. If I ever do it will be a simple matter to just post here what with all the experts on jurisprudence.
Please show sources for this information.
Otherwise this is just conjecture.
nemaslov said:
You're old fashioned. Seriously, a lot of people choose not to have landlines these days.
OK, here's a twist. In France they are due to get the iPhone over the next few months. Apparently the law in France states that a lock-in is ok for up to 6 months. After that the hardware provider has to allow (or provide info to allow) the user to unlock and use another provider (the contract with the telco is still there though, unless you cancel).
This implies that in France at least unlocking is going to have to be not only allowed but in some way assisted.
If the iPhones are the same worldwide then easy unlocking will eventually have to be allowed.
...or just maybe EU/Asia market get a different phone? Or different firmware?
This implies that in France at least unlocking is going to have to be not only allowed but in some way assisted.
If the iPhones are the same worldwide then easy unlocking will eventually have to be allowed.
...or just maybe EU/Asia market get a different phone? Or different firmware?
Let's have a 3G phone that doesn't work in the states!
I'm still clinging onto the fragments of info/rumour that suggest an outcome like that.
Where did you get the $800 from? isn't the 8GB iPhone $600 where ever you buy it from?
( edit - err, yep, $600 from AT&T too - http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/specials/iPhoneCenter.html
So, where did you get the $800 per 8 GB ATT iPhone? )
I'm still clinging onto the fragments of info/rumour that suggest an outcome like that.
If that really happens... I think you could count me in.
As I said earlier, that is no evidence for Apple iPhone subsidies - it could be a cash cow for Apple.
At no point in time have Phone manufacturers been successful in preventing phone unlocking. Apple isn't going to be the first.
Let's have a 3G phone that doesn't work in the states!
This would be easy. Just make it GSM 900 / GSM 1800, but leave out the 1900 and 800 MHz Bands. This would work all over Europe but would be useless in the USA (or: limited to WLAN only operation).
Even a lot of GSM/UMTS dual mode phones are not able to log on UMTS directly, they always first log on GSM and switch to UMTS only when needed (this reduces energy consumption).
So they could even make a special Version for Europe with GSM 900/1800 and UMTS.
He's right. It's the hole in the nonsubsidy plan. Although even with a subsidy you have to agree in contract that they own the phone until the contract is satisfied but they usually handle this with termination fees. I'm happy with att and full feature support and because att store was a few miles closer than Apple even bought my iPhone there. But tbe contract I entered into AFTER purchase is for service, not the phone.