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i understand is my fault , but that first time happend , they shouldn't treat royal customer 10 yrs like that ,
that sound rule ,,,,

even they close my account and restore they have to let me know account was cllose ,
i just receive 40$ dollar charge restore on next cycle billing ,,

look like ATT watching for charge customer than take care customer ,,,
 
Great article/link ! This explains what I've been saying more in depth. Thank you for sharing.
And what do you know, it says "Current customers with grandfathered unlimited data plans still have to pay." which is something you have been trying to say wasn't or couldn't be the case, to the point of even trying to put other people down for saying that very thing that the article you now seem to agree with says.
 
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is it free tethering ???

i just used hotspot tethered via
lte on my ipad mini for couple days already - dont know any charge later
on my acc or not

thnsk-

If you're on a VZW grandfathered plan and want to tether you have to pay to tether. They can't stop tethering on unlimited plans but they have the right to charge for tethering.
 
And what do you know, it says "Current customers with grandfathered unlimited data plans still have to pay." which is something you have been trying to say wasn't or couldn't be the case, to the point of even trying to put other people down for saying that very thing that the article you now seem to agree with says.
That article is almost 3 years old... At the time they wrote it, they probably assumed you would need to pay for tethering "or risk Verizon switching you to a mobile share plan". Fast forward 3 years and not a SINGLE person to date had lost their UDP due to "unauthorized" tethering when using LTE spectrum. So I'll say it again...if you wanna pay extra to tether, go ahead. The FCC says you can do it for free though.... it's included because you are a paying customer and using that LTE spectrum. Show me just ONE person or just ONE article where someone lost their UDP due to not paying for a separate tethering charge to Verizon when using that specific band of LTE spectrum. And just for clarification, if someone is running a older handset using Verizons 3G, they need to pay for a tethering plan. The 3G band does not have the same restrictions and guidelines that the LTE band they bid on has. If someone is on 3G and tethering unauthorized, Verizon would be well within their rights to shut off their UDP.
 
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And what do you know, it says "Current customers with grandfathered unlimited data plans still have to pay." which is something you have been trying to say wasn't or couldn't be the case, to the point of even trying to put other people down for saying that very thing that the article you now seem to agree with says.
 
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i understand is my fault , but that first time happend , they shouldn't treat royal customer 10 yrs like that ,
that sound rule ,,,,

even they close my account and restore they have to let me know account was cllose ,
i just receive 40$ dollar charge restore on next cycle billing ,,

look like ATT watching for charge customer than take care customer ,,,

Its hard to understand what you're trying to say but royal customers have to follow the rules and pay their bill like everyone else. Just because you didn't know or claim ignorance is no excuse.
Next time take care of your responsibilities when you leave. Its not their problem if you go on vacation and don't pay the bill.
 
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According to CNN they can't block it or make you pay more for it, because you already pay for data, and tethering is something your phone is already built to do for free

http://money.cnn.com/2015/02/05/technology/fcc-net-neutrality-cases/


Correct, they technically cannot block it or charge you extra or make you switch plans.
So if you have a JB LTE iphone and install a tethering hack from cydia like MyWi or Tetherme for example you will get unlimited tethering for free.
Many have been doing it for years now on verizon with no probs.
On stock ios you will not be able to get tethering for free and verizon will never enable it for you without charging you extra.

And since this is originally an AT&T tethering thread if you do this on AT&T on unlimited data and they catch you then you're risking of losing your unlimited data plan for good and them switching you to a tiered data package.
So big difference, you can get away with it on verizon, but not on AT&T.
 
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Correct, they technically cannot block it or charge you extra or make you switch plans.
So if you have a JB LTE iphone and install a tethering hack from cydia like MyWi or Tetherme for example you will get unlimited tethering for free.
Many have been doing it for years now on verizon with no probs.
On stock ios you will not be able to get tethering for free and verizon will never enable it for you without charging you extra.

And since this is originally an AT&T tethering thread if you do this on AT&T on unlimited data and they catch you then you're risking of losing your unlimited data plan for good and them switching you to a tiered data package.
So big difference, you can get away with it on verizon, but not on AT&T.
With the new rules I don't think AT&T can do anything about it either. The rules the imposed on Verizon for buying the spectrum are part of the new rules that everyone has to follow now.
 
With the new rules I don't think AT&T can do anything about it either. The rules the imposed on Verizon for buying the spectrum are part of the new rules that everyone has to follow now.

I havent heard anything about that for AT&T but I really hope you're right. That would be awesome.
I remember in the past AT&T would send notices to users tethering unofficially and warn them if they do it again they will be switched plans.
That would be real nice if they pushed AT&T to do the same. Did you find anything that states something like that on the new net neutrality rules?
 
Verizon does NOT have to offer free tethering with ULD plans only for those where you pay for a certain amount of data. I have ULD and pay for the privilege of tethering.

They don't have to enable tethering on your phone, but they're not allowed to block other means of tethering if available. So on the android store for example, there are loads of apps that enable tethering, and Verizon won't/can't alter your plan no matter how much you tether using such means. Same applies to tethering via jailbreak. When I was borrowing a Verizon phone for a few months, I used 80-100GB/month LTE on Verizon without any throttling or threats.

With the new rules I don't think AT&T can do anything about it either. The rules the imposed on Verizon for buying the spectrum are part of the new rules that everyone has to follow now.

I hope that is the case. Right now we don't have any confirmation that AT&T stopped forcing people off unlimited. I don't really know of any way of confirming that without just tethering a crap load of data.. and I don't want to risk losing my plan lol
 
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I hope that is the case. Right now we don't have any confirmation that AT&T stopped forcing people off unlimited. I don't really know of any way of confirming that without just tethering a crap load of data.. and I don't want to risk losing my plan lol

Anyone else want to bite the bullet and try tethering on their ATT unlimited data plan and telling us if they get in trouble? :D
 
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Anyone else want to bite the bullet and try tethering on their ATT unlimited data plan and telling us if they get in trouble? :D

AT&T quietly stopped the hard throttling without making any public announcement expect on their website. We all know this was done because AT&T had to 'by law'.

The question is 'by law' does AT&T have to allow tethering? If yes then we should be able to tether with no problems. If no then we can't and risk losing our grandfathered plans.
 
No, they cannot. VZW tried this some years ago and FCC sued them.

VZW has to offer free tethering. Since then VZW started agressive policy on UDP users, no discounts on 2-year upgrade, you loose UDP if you accept subsidy. Customers found a way around, they opened additional 9.99 lines and transfer there upgrade eligibility, but not all of them. Now VZW has 15-22 with smartphones on UDP(not official info, I got it from forum, web sites and estimations). Also you cannot buy and transfer account with UDP on VZW, officially buyer should have at least one line with UDP. With Att you still can buy grandfather UDP for the price around 400-450 on eBay.

Att now is in a split situation:

On the one hand if they cancel UDP, they loose customers(rumors that 40-45 percent on UDP, I think a bit less). FCC pressures them to open hot spots on iphones. Apple also don't want to be in the confrontation with FCC, they can allow 3d party tethering apps, OP is correct here.

On the other hand Att physicly cannot allow official tethering, they are not in good shape with their LTE specrum, most of metro areas as of the end of 2014 had only 10MHz. They try to win some time to convert 1900 3g-HSDPA-HSPA to LTE. More and more regions get now LTE 2(some with aggregation, some without). If Att allows tethering officially, I cancel my FIOS , I put more pressure on Att network, but it will be not only me.

VZW and Att are loosing they "steem" right now, one more year and they come to the point of no return to hold customers anylonger. And this is not only about the internet price, but also roaming, vowifi... I think I know the solution for them, but I leave this part to the guys, who make millions and rule the companies. l don't want to give free advices here and may be I'm wrong since I don't have a full picture here.

I want to say here again, that this the info I heard, not verified, not from official sources, may be it is not a true/real info and may be I'm wrong here. I don't work for any of the telecommunication companies.

It's more like 20% possibly on UDP. The 20% doesn't say whether people are on UDP. Could be grandfathered 5GB plan for example. I believe it's 80% are on MSV.

Second with AT&T getting AWS-3 at the auction their network will be solid. This is estimated to be deployed 2017. AT&T spent a boatload on AWS-3.
 
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It's more like 20% possibly on UDP. The 20% doesn't say whether people are on UDP. Could be grandfathered 5GB plan for example. I believe it's 80% are on MSV.

Second with AT&T getting AWS-3 at the auction their network will be solid. This is estimated to be deployed 2017. AT&T spent a boatload on AWS-3.

1. I agree that may be around 20 percent on UDP.
2. I hope so. The network is pretty good now. About AWS and Att estimation: They promised vowifi in 2015 we are almost in July, no even a word about it. "AWS-3 in 2017", means end of 2017. It is more than 2 years from now. By that time Dish merges with t-mo and they will have the same network. Dish needs t-mo as fish needs water now. Same t-mo wants Dish as human needs oxygen. T-mo and VZW are faster with their projects and follow the schedule. Check t-mo AWS networks shutdown schedule. For now everything as planned.
 
1. I agree that may be around 20 percent on UDP.
2. I hope so. The network is pretty good now. About AWS and Att estimation: They promised vowifi in 2015 we are almost in July, no even a word about it. "AWS-3 in 2017", means end of 2017. It is more than 2 years from now. By that time Dish merges with t-mo and they will have the same network. Dish needs t-mo as fish needs water now. Same t-mo wants Dish as human needs oxygen. T-mo and VZW are faster with their projects and follow the schedule. Check t-mo AWS networks shutdown schedule. For now everything as planned.

Don't forget about AT&T buying Direct TV.
 
Don't forget about AT&T buying Direct TV.

I know. I don't think Direct TV holds a lot spectrum compare to Dish. I think Att should put money aside for 600MHz auction instead of buying Direct TV. I have a strong feeling that Att benefits less from Direct TV than t-mo from Dish.
 
I know. I don't think Direct TV holds a lot spectrum compare to Dish. I think Att should put money aside for 600MHz auction instead of buying Direct TV. I have a strong feeling that Att benefits less from Direct TV than t-mo from Dish.
1. I agree that may be around 20 percent on UDP.
2. I hope so. The network is pretty good now. About AWS and Att estimation: They promised vowifi in 2015 we are almost in July, no even a word about it. "AWS-3 in 2017", means end of 2017. It is more than 2 years from now. By that time Dish merges with t-mo and they will have the same network. Dish needs t-mo as fish needs water now. Same t-mo wants Dish as human needs oxygen. T-mo and VZW are faster with their projects and follow the schedule. Check t-mo AWS networks shutdown schedule. For now everything as planned.

Just because 20% are on grandfathered plans doesn't mean the 20% are on UDP plans. I know plenty who are are 5GB plans each line family share voice plans.

From the looks the TMo Dish merger would put it equal to AT&T and Verizon. However it's very possible that Dish may start their own cellular service or sell spectrum at a profit according to some sources. The merger isn't set in stone like the AT&T and Direct TV merger is.
 
Just because 20% are on grandfathered plans doesn't mean the 20% are on UDP plans. I know plenty who are are 5GB plans each line family share voice plans.

From the looks the TMo Dish merger would put it equal to AT&T and Verizon. However it's very possible that Dish may start their own cellular service or sell spectrum at a profit according to some sources. The merger isn't set in stone like the AT&T and Direct TV merger is.

May be you are right, I also heard that Dish may be sell it spectrum. I doubt Dish starts its own cell service. There is no certainty in the situation overwise I buy t-mo call options. The only certainty now is this Google service, they usually know, what they doing. -> I buy some t-mo options, just in case. But, really I don't recommend to invest Att at the present situation. Don't believe them, but use them :)
 
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