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BUT then I thought those Top 5% are actually screwing over 95% of the other users on ATT. Think about that. 95% of people on ATT WILL NOT be negatively impacted, rather they might get better service.

This is actually a good philisophical question. As far as I know, AT&T has never actually said how much data is used by that "top 5%", or the impact. How do we know that we'll actually get better service if they go? Last I recall (dated now) is that AT&T hasn't been putting as much money into upgrading their network as they should, instead putting it to profit.

So does this count as a material change so that you don't have to pay ETF?
 
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Umm, what happens when these restrictions DO decease the traffic of those top 5-10%, and there is an exodus of users to other networks or away from hotspot-usage? Will the next middle 5% become the top 5%? The fact that they are using a variable sliding scale means that this is only intended to stifle usage, no matter the amount.
 
Similar to Netflix Lawsuit?

Isn't this the same thing that Netflix tried to do with their Unlimited DVDs per Month customers? Basically, it was shown that Netflix intentionally increased the turnaround time for their customers who watched and ordered the most DVDs per month in an effort to throttle their viewing and the costs to Netflix. If I remember correctly, Netflix lost that lawsuit, right?

Basically, AT&T is doing the same thing. Unauthorized usage through Jailbreaking aside, unlimited data is unlimited data. If they throttle customers back, they are as guilty as Netflix was found to be.
 
Umm, what happens when these restrictions DO decease the traffic of those top 5-10%, and there is an exodus of users to other networks or away from hotspot-usage? Will the next middle 5% become the top 5%? The fact that they are using a variable sliding scale means that this is only intended to stifle usage, no matter the amount.

That won't happen. Once they get it so that nobody uses more than 3-4 GB, they won't throttle anyone, and by then most everyone will be on a tiered plan, aka paying for what you use, instead of me paying for what you use.
 
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I don't think some of you realize how easy it is to get to 3-4gb per month. I'm at 27 days into my billing cycle and already at 3009 mb. The only thing I have used this month that would be higher usage is about 45 minutes of Netflix streaming once per business day. I do not use pandora or any other Internet radio streaming, I don't use YouTube on 3G, I don't download podcasts or apps over 3G, the only higher usage is that once a day Netflix for less than an hour, and I don't consider this as being abusive use. I am not jailbroken or use my iPhone as home Internet. So I think this throttling or the 2 gb cap should be reconsidered.
 
It's "five percent of the unlimited customers" they are complaining about. That number stays the same no matter how many new customers they have.

That may be what they mean, but it is certainly not what they state. They state they will be capping the top 5% of users. If they mean unlimited users they need to EXPLICITLY state that fact.

About a year ago, AT&T said that 65% of AT&T smartphone customers use less than 200MB of data per month and 98% of it's users use less then 2GB a month on average.

They are still claiming that. http://www.att.com/shop/wireless/plans/data-plans.jsp

So essentially they can throttle all "unlimited" users before they pass the 2GB limit.
 
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It's "five percent of the unlimited customers" they are complaining about. That number stays the same no matter how many new customers they have.

That may be what they mean, but it is certainly not what they state. They state they will be capping the top 5% of users. If they mean unlimited users they need to EXPLICITLY state that fact.

About a year ago, AT&T said that 65% of AT&T smartphone customers use less than 200MB of data per month and 98% of it's users use less then 2GB a month on average.

They are still claiming that. http://www.att.com/shop/wireless/plans/data-plans.jsp

So essentially they can throttle all "unlimited" users before they pass the 2GB limit.

Which is why we know that won't happen. We also know that typical use doubles annually. Att, despite all the raving lunacy spouted here, will use this policy to stop people from using 3+ gb habitually without paying for it. Period.
 
I wish I had wifi near my work. I stream over 3G all the time because I have no wifi access. My data is typically over 4GB per month. Some days I even go near 2GB in one day. Guess this targets me then. Oh well, I really don't mind paying more for the extra data since I have no alternative. Yet.

You people on here complaining about heavy users like me can shove it. Sorry I'm not surrounded by wifi like you. I actually need the data so I'll pay more but why do you care anyway? Bored?
 
I wish I had wifi near my work. I stream over 3G all the time because I have no wifi access. My data is typically over 4GB per month. Some days I even go near 2GB in one day. Guess this targets me then. Oh well, I really don't mind paying more for the extra data since I have no alternative. Yet.

If streaming music is all you do, you might get luckier than most people. I'm not familiar with how much data streaming music requires, but maybe the stream would be light enough that if you got throttled, it wouldn't affect the music. If you YouTube often, you know what to expect.
 
You people on here complaining about heavy users like me can shove it. Sorry I'm not surrounded by wifi like you. I actually need the data so I'll pay more but why do you care anyway? Bored?
If you need the data, then it shouldn't be a problem to pay more. $10 per GB isn't terrible. Would it be nice to be cheaper? Of courses, yes.

Just because a person can't go back to it, I've kept the unlimited plan. Although, I'm actually overpaying since most months I'm under 250MB, because I mostly use my iPhone at home. When I am out and about it's typically surfing, weather checks, turn-based games, tweets, and other tasks that don't build up too quickly. I've watched a few movies using Netflix over 3G during power outages -- thankfully, iDevices are pretty efficient at playback in regard to power -- but even that only jumped me to 750MB to 1GB for the month.

Anywho... I don't think people are complaining so much about what you use data for, though, some of us wonder how certain users can consume tons and tons of GBs; however, it's more of an argument that some who use 5, 10, 15, ... GB per month feel they are entitled to an endless free ride.

Considering AT&T has a plan of up to 4GB per month of usage, I'm guessing they're mainly looking to cap those at 5GB or more, maybe even just those at 8GB or more.

Honestly, I'm considering dropping to the DataPro (2GB) plan ($25), because even if I chose to do the 4GB Personal Hotspot plan ($45) 3 months -- for example, the months I take a vacation -- I'd still be paying the same or less per year than I'm now.
 
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Which is why we know that won't happen. We also know that typical use doubles annually. Att, despite all the raving lunacy spouted here, will use this policy to stop people from using 3+ gb habitually without paying for it. Period.

With all the crap you've been spewing, I'm glad your paying for my my "abusive" usage. You wreak of corporate conformity.

Here is the reality, YOU agreed to ATT's tiered data plan so stop the bs. You obviously have no use for data so shthfuup.:rolleyes:
 
I don't think some of you realize how easy it is to get to 3-4gb per month. I'm at 27 days into my billing cycle and already at 3009 mb. The only thing I have used this month that would be higher usage is about 45 minutes of Netflix streaming once per business day. I do not use pandora or any other Internet radio streaming, I don't use YouTube on 3G, I don't download podcasts or apps over 3G, the only higher usage is that once a day Netflix for less than an hour, and I don't consider this as being abusive use. I am not jailbroken or use my iPhone as home Internet. So I think this throttling or the 2 gb cap should be reconsidered.

I wouldn't call it "abusive," but 45 minutes of Netflix per day, that's fairly high usage
 
I didn't read the whole thread and the first post isn't clear. When you're throttled will you be bumped down to EDGE or lower than that? EDGE is fine for streaming music which is what I care about.
 
That won't happen. Once they get it so that nobody uses more than 3-4 GB, they won't throttle anyone, and by then most everyone will be on a tiered plan, aka paying for what you use, instead of me paying for what you use.

You sure trust them, don't you?
 
Annoying...

Ok... I have ATTs unlimited data and prefer it over VZ when for the faster 3g and the talk & surf...

...AT&T should Honor the Grandfathers, because at&ts 3g network may be better than verizons, but vz got them on 4g. (and you know what im implying)
 
They are targeting the abuser who tethers his entire home internet connection to his phone.

This is the sad part; that some people are using AT&T's crappy, slow, dropping-out 3G internet connection as their main home connection.
 
With all the crap you've been spewing, I'm glad your paying for my my "abusive" usage. You wreak of corporate conformity.

Here is the reality, YOU agreed to ATT's tiered data plan so stop the bs. You obviously have no use for data so shthfuup.:rolleyes:

you're a mean hippie. as a small biz owner, he makes sense...
 
This is yet another reason why I will not get an iPhone: AT&T is the most abusive company out their.

And look how they defined their top users: by %. So, that means as they whip people in to submission for data use, that 5% top end grows downward.
 
you're a mean hippie. as a small biz owner, he makes sense...

And that's what I am as well. A small business owner who runs my company on my iphone. I have an exchange server to sync my email contacts and calendar, i stream internet radio while I walk my dog most days, and I use the web on my phone a TON of research problems all throughout the day. And my average usage over the past 24 months on ATT has been under 800 MB.

The people who are bitching are people who don't know the value of the dollar and think that they are owed something by the world. Thankfully, those people always end up losers in the end.
 
I fully support this.

They are not targeting the high volume user. They are targeting the abuser who tethers his entire home internet connection to his phone.

If the throttling begins at 10gb, or maybe even 6-7, I understand. If it's done more heavily during the 5pm-10pm, it will improve QOS. If the drop is from 1.5mbps to 750, fine.

But that's not AT&T. They'll throttle at 2gb. They'll do it 24-7. And I wouldn't be shocked it they accomplish the throttling by dropping people to Edge for the rest of their billing cycle.

I should have jumped to Verizon and fought the ETF. This announcement comes just weeks after they drop unlimited. Clearly no coincidence.

The sad part? If those AT&T jerks offer me another early upgrade to get the iPhone 5 in a month, I'm not going anywhere.
 
If the throttling begins at 10gb, or maybe even 6-7, I understand. If it's done more heavily during the 5pm-10pm, it will improve QOS. If the drop is from 1.5mbps to 750, fine.

But that's not AT&T. They'll throttle at 2gb. They'll do it 24-7. And I wouldn't be shocked it they accomplish the throttling by dropping people to Edge for the rest of their billing cycle.

I should have jumped to Verizon and fought the ETF. This announcement comes just weeks after they drop unlimited. Clearly no coincidence.

The sad part? If those AT&T jerks offer me another early upgrade to get the iPhone 5 in a month, I'm not going anywhere.

Throttling SHOULD begin at 2GB, but it probably won't. For the rest of us, ATT charges $10 more the second you hit 2GB. Why should users who were lucky enough to be abusing the system for years now be granted a more privileged position? OK, so you pay $30 a month instead of $25. I'll give you the extra 20% and say the fair start for the slowing is at 2.4 GB.

Grandfathering the most abusive users is a crazy policy. Why should the heaviest users get the exception to use as much data as they like? I'm sure ATT will begin slowing the user down somewhere in the 3-4 GB range. As they've said, they will make it very clear to the user that throttling is about to happen before it happens with multiple warnings. So when it it gets phased in, we'll know the answer.

Unlike the vast majority of users, your $30 will continue to buy you far more than $25 or even $35 will buy the rest of users. Is that fair? Why should you get more for less?

ATT gives users the ability to use as much data as they want, at a price of $10 per GB. UNLIMITED. Pay for it. They won't be grandfathering users in with unlimited plans forever anyway, so get used t it.

This is yet another reason why I will not get an iPhone: AT&T is the most abusive company out their.

And look how they defined their top users: by %. So, that means as they whip people in to submission for data use, that 5% top end grows downward.

You say "look at" it, but you clearly didn't. Here's what ATT says about the people they will throttle:

" In fact, these customers on average use 12 times more data than the average of all other smartphone data customers. This step will not apply to our 15 million smartphone customers on a tiered data plan or the vast majority of smartphone customers who still have unlimited data plans."

We know that ATT has said the average smartphone user uses more than 400MB, which means that the average user they plan to throttle uses more than 5GB.

All you whining babies who think ATT and the other paying users owe you a favor, and that ATT is planning on throttling users right at 2GB and even below that, read that quote from ATT above again.
 
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I have unlimited internet at this time and if they start throttling me when I go over 5GB, it will be OK. If they do it right above 2GB I will change to the theirs 2GB plan.
 
I have unlimited internet at this time and if they start throttling me when I go over 5GB, it will be OK. If they do it right above 2GB I will change to the theirs 2GB plan.

Whiners, the above is an example of what a reasonable person sounds like.
 
You say "look at" it, but you clearly didn't. Here's what ATT says about the people they will throttle:

" In fact, these customers on average use 12 times more data than the average of all other smartphone data customers. This step will not apply to our 15 million smartphone customers on a tiered data plan or the vast majority of smartphone customers who still have unlimited data plans."

We know that ATT has said the average smartphone user uses more than 400MB, which means that the average user they plan to throttle uses more than 5GB.

All you whining babies who think ATT and the other paying users owe you a favor, and that ATT is planning on throttling users right at 2GB and even below that, read that quote from ATT above again.

I did read it... a few times, in fact, and coupled with their statement about 98% of their smartphone users using under 2GB, I think it speaks fairly clearly that they WILL throttle at, or below, the 2GB mark since only 2% of their users generally pass that number and they're going after the top 5%.


We know that ATT has said the average smartphone user uses more than 400MB, which means that the average user they plan to throttle uses more than 5GB.

No, that just means that the average user they plan to throttle uses more then 400MB. It doesn't say anything about how much more than that number they use and it could (and most likely will) be well under 2GB.
 
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I did read it... a few times, in fact, and coupled with their statement about 98% of their smartphone users using under 2GB, I think it speaks fairly clearly that they WILL throttle at, or below, the 2GB mark since only 2% of their users generally pass that number and they're going after the top 5%.

The statement about what 98% of users do was not linked with this statement. How about this? I'll put $100 in a paypal account. You put $50. If anyone gets throttled at or below 2GB, you get the $150. If it's above 2.5, I get it. If it's between, it's a push.

Cmon, put your money where your crazy mouth is. You know that when Oct 31 comes around, all this crazy paranoia will go away and only abusers like you will be throttled.
 
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