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Nothing wrong with that. Just PAY for it!

If you're saying there's nothing wrong with living in the sticks and using mobile broadband...There IS something wrong with it.

The cost to extend signal out to serve a few farms plus the bandwidth eating that takes place is exactly why the carriers are doing caps and throttling, and why the bill is so high for what is essentially a basic service.
 
3G is awfully slow anyway, why should this matter to anyone?

I can't imagine streaming movies or downloading huge files over 3G.
 
3G is awfully slow anyway, why should this matter to anyone?

I can't imagine streaming movies or downloading huge files over 3G.

I've steamed music, television, and movies over 3G (StreamToMe, Hulu+, Netflix) and never felt the quality was subpar because of the "awfully slow" speeds, actually that it was quite good.
 
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WannaGoMac said:
Counting down until I switch to Verizon...

Counting down until Verizon does the same thing
 
I honestly can't see how anyone can use 5GB though. I send thousands of emails a month, many with images, and stream internet radio when I'm in my car and still barely use 2GB. And that's with no wifi usage.

I downloaded OSX Lion and Updates (about 4GB) to my Macbook over my AT&T 3G connection via MiWi. Took a little over 2 hours. Very handy.

I'm gonna be in that 5% group.
 
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Aniday said:
Is it really worth it to them? How many people are left with an unlimited plan, anyway? I don't think these people are really crippling the AT&T network at all.
Ridiculous that AT&T can so obviously lie to everyone's face and there's no one to keep them in check.

We know some people use 100+ gigs a month. If the average user pays 25 a month and uses 500 megs of bandwidth that one user is using up enough resources for more than 200 other customers.

So do they want the one guy paying $30 for 100 gigs or the 200 people paying $5000 a month for 100 gigs.
 
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jacollins said:
How much puts me in that top 5%? Don't just start sending me texts when I get close to it, tell me what qualifies for that top 5%.

What's more. Assuming that the plan drives off the "over utilizers", regular joe blow using the same regular amount on a monthly basis might suddenly jump to the "top 5%" because of the removal of those spikes from the "over utilizers". All without doing something different. Sort of like being legislated into a felon with no input.

Then just switch over to the regular 25 a month data plan and you won't have to worry about it. You will have to pay for the data you use but it will never be throttled.
 
When will people wake up and realize that these data caps are nothing more than an attempt to retain customers as cable TV customers as well? It is in the best interest for companies, like AT&T, TW, Verizon to cap their data. If they do not, their dinosaur cable TV services will be pushed out the door. This a response to the overwhelming amount of people using Netflix, Hulu, Roku, AppleTV, etc. It has nothing to do with fear of network congestion or customers "abusing" unlimited priveleges. It's collusion between the Telcos and Cablecos, some of which just so happen to be both. They know their time is short and are cashing in before it's over. I say good riddance.
 
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carmenodie said:
I think a lot of you miss the point. This is just an elaborate TAX on data use. It cost AT&T nothing for electrons speeding through your cell phone.
Hell, it's like charging people for the amount of sun they get.
And what a lot of you oompa loompas don't get is that as the phones get faster you will be downloading content with so much ease you'd go over your data limit in a snap. You won't even know it.
At that point a welcoming lashing will come from consumer advocacy groups towards the telecoms about their sheer greed in this matter.
And is there any correlation between those higher speed phones and radiation emittance? If there is, and I tends to think so, then I suppose a 10 G phone would be like holding a piece of uranium 236 up to your head.

This is the most technology ignorant post I have seen in a long time.
 
Bravo AT$T...they have really played most of you like the sheep that you are. They have brainwashed everyone into thinking tiered data plans and caps was a good idea...and now they want to punish the rest of us for over usage on an UNLIMITED PLAN! Pathetic to say the least. I pay $180 a month for a family plan with unlimited data, and have been a loyal customer since the first iPhone in '07. ARE THEY GOING TO PAY ME BACK SOME MONEY WHEN THEY THROTTLE ME!!!!:rolleyes:

AT$T makes billions in profits while lobbying hard for federal subsidies to improve their infrastructure in rural areas. Thats billions of tax payer dollars through CORPORATE WELFARE, while we pay top dollar for a reduction in services. Stop justifying these corrupt CORPORATE CROOKS. We should demand more, not less for our hard earned cash.
 
When will people wake up and realize that these data caps are nothing more than an attempt to retain customers as cable TV customers as well? It is in the best interest for companies, like AT&T, TW, Verizon to cap their data. If they do not, their dinosaur cable TV services will be pushed out the door. This a response to the overwhelming amount of people using Netflix, Hulu, Roku, AppleTV, etc. It has nothing to do with fear of network congestion or customers "abusing" unlimited priveleges. It's collusion between the Telcos and Cablecos, some of which just so happen to be both. They know their time is short and are cashing in before it's over. I say good riddance.

Word.
 
My minimum so far, for the past year, has been 20GB per month. And that's basically 90% music streaming off of Pandora and OoTunes and DI Radio.

For this month, I'm 10 days into my cycle and I'm at 7.1GB used. Thats mostly from photos, email, music streaming and obvious, netflix

None of these are tethered data usage.

I paid "UNLIMITED". I expect UNLIMITED.
 
My minimum so far, for the past year, has been 20GB per month. And that's basically 90% music streaming off of Pandora and OoTunes and DI Radio.

For this month, I'm 10 days into my cycle and I'm at 7.1GB used. Thats mostly from photos, email, music streaming and obvious, netflix

None of these are tethered data usage.

I paid "UNLIMITED". I expect UNLIMITED.

Demanding AND Greedy.
 
Only In America

Does anyone, beside me, think it's funny how usa cell phone customers pay almost double for an unlimited plan compared to most over seas customers. Add to that the fact that you never hear anything about over seas users having their accounts throttled.. Could it be because they have anywhere from 25% to 70% more throughput due to their cell phone companies spent "Real" money on infrastructure, not just promises & excuses. It's such a shame that we keep paying more & getting less but no one in Washington cares to do anything about it.
 
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How is it "demanding" or "greedy" to expect the UNLIMITED service that AT&T sold him? Seriously, I don't get it.
 
Obvious AT&T Lobbyist.!!

If you're saying there's nothing wrong with living in the sticks and using mobile broadband...There IS something wrong with it.

The cost to extend signal out to serve a few farms plus the bandwidth eating that takes place is exactly why the carriers are doing caps and throttling, and why the bill is so high for what is essentially a basic service.

You are either working for AT&T, getting thousands for being a pro AT&T lobbyist or you're just another idiot.!!. You obviously haven't done your homework or you'd know that there are villages of 2,000 to 4,000 people over seas that are miles from a major metropolitan area & get 40gbps downloads for $22 per month. yOu can't get this kind of service anywhere in the usa for less than $100+.. Tell me Why that is.!! corporate greed that's why, & idiots who would rather stick their head in the sand & just pay up.!!
 
if this makes my 3g experience faster, i'm so glad ATT is doing this. sometimes I have full bars and googling something would be impossible
 
Does it matter whether AT&T stops rolling over existing contracts (which I think they have no legal obligation) and let's their customers sign new contracts which have more explicit data limits or if AT&T just breaks their contracts and defacto behaves as if their customers have signed their new, revised contract?

You are correct. I suppose they don't have to "grandfather" you in forever. But while I AM in, abide by your contract. I have to - you should too. That's all I'm saying.

Good riddance. Your ridiculous usage has been subsidized by me for long enough.

I'll say this slowly - you are NOT subsidizing HIS usage. YOU paid for YOUR usage at the rate AT&T picked. He paid for HIS usage at the rate AT&T picked.

Please, use your logic and that thing between your ears... it's a wonderful tool.

Why would he do that? Since he wasn't being charged or limited from it, he might as well just abuse the rest of us and overuse 3G data. Thankfully that's changing now.

Please explain how using what you paid for is abuse?

Should I get pissed off that Comcast caps me at 250GB, but I never reach that cap? No. I am paying for a service with a limit (unlimited or not). What I don't use, is my fault. What others DO use, is their prerogative if they've paid.

And here's a thought for all of you complaining about the network being slow - do you really think that will change if you boot off only 5% of the users? NO. Why? Because AT&T has so oversold their capacity that in places like NY and SF there STILL won't be enough bandwidth to support users... start thinking instead of just spewing myths and baseless claims.

Sad to see some users buying into the same old lies that the telecoms spew (i.e. that heavy users cause network congestion and light users subsidizing heavy users).

Traffic shaping and data caps are means that help limit and delay network infrastructure improvements. It plays on the fact that the majority of people can't seem to differentiate between bandwidth and aggregate data usage. The cause of network congestion is peak usage, not aggregate usage as these telecoms have most of you believing.

That's a very good point. And what most users don't realize is that the companies pay for pipes at certain speeds, but then sell you data usage. So AT&T uses huge pipes at say 10GB/s, but charge you for total data usage. It's a completely apples to oranges conversion, and you get ripped off in the end.

Think about it. $30 a month for unlimited, or $25 a month for 2GB. Which one seems like an absurd amount? :rolleyes:

There are people who live in the sticks - by their choice, mind - and try to use mobile broadband for home connections. I don't agree with that approach. in my mind, if a person wants fast internet, they will live in an urban or suburban area that offers it. If you choose to live out in the middle of nowhere with pigs and mongoose....get satellite broadband.

What does it matter if the company has sold it as unlimited internet?

People seem to forget AT&T did this - NOT the person who ordered the plan. In fact, it was the ONLY plan that people were allowed to have. Again, blame the right party here, not the people using what they've paid for.

This policy is to stop people from networking there whole house off a cell phone. To do that you need to jail break your phone and use it outside apples policy which att did NOT sign up for. All you illegal tether folks brought this on yourselves.

Again... slowly... it doesn't matter if the whole house is networked or just one phone - if you're streaming 24/7 it's the same amount of data regardless of the device. It doesn't MATTER how many devices, since it's the same speed pipe. And if you paid for unlimited... it's none of your business what I do with my data.

You can't tell me how to use my electricity, my water, my gas, or anything else I pay for. Stop telling me how to use my UNLIMITED bandwidth. Your network slow? Complain to AT&T.

If you're saying there's nothing wrong with living in the sticks and using mobile broadband...There IS something wrong with it.

The cost to extend signal out to serve a few farms plus the bandwidth eating that takes place is exactly why the carriers are doing caps and throttling, and why the bill is so high for what is essentially a basic service.

You are completely wrong. Record profits, CEO bank accounts, and shareholder earnings are why the bills are so high. AT&T doesn't invest in any infrastructure, just like the other telcos.

And, AT&T has actually said it's EASIER to put cell towers up "in the sticks" than it is in a city due to permits and licensing agreements. Please get your facts straight before posting nonsense.

Demanding AND Greedy.

Explain how paying for a service and receiving said service is demanding or greedy, much less both? What would you do if you paid full price for something and only got 50% of it or even less?

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We know some people use 100+ gigs a month. If the average user pays 25 a month and uses 500 megs of bandwidth that one user is using up enough resources for more than 200 other customers.

So do they want the one guy paying $30 for 100 gigs or the 200 people paying $5000 a month for 100 gigs.

And this is what it comes down to. MONEY. They just want more money because they don't want to upgrade their ****. They f'ed up offering unlimited (because they can't handle it) and they're getting bit in the ass now by it.
 
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*********. I have 15 days left in my billing cycle and I've used 8075.76 MB (8 GB). It's all from Netflix.

You're watching Netflix on a 3G network? You must have a lot of patience.

I think I'm going to open an "all you can eat" restaurant.

It won't serve any food, though.

I'll open a better one. As soon as you come back for a second helping, I'll start offering less food, until you're left with one item: water.

I disagree with your statement.

This is not capitalism. This is industry conspiring to hold back capitalism. Why? Because EVERY phone/telecommunications company is capping and regulating. So the consumer may have "choices", but their choices are always limited by the companies. So there really is no difference. It's equivalent to price-fixing in my eyes.

And remember Apple does the same damn thing. Flash, anyone? They control their product just as much in a negative way. It's the USERS and CONSUMERS who should get the choice, and then by providing the best service and product capitalism plays a role. Can't do anything when all services and products suck ass.

Well said.
 
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I was sold and pay for unlimited service it is not abuse to use what I was sold and pay for.

F*ck you AT&T!
 
Wow...I think the waaah to reasonable level on this thread must be 9:1. :D

How many of you have managed capacity and dealt with a major backbone and edge network provider before? No, not this 'I read it somewhere' crap, real an accurate data.

I am a network engineer, and worked in a major broad band provider for 8 years, watching capacity grow from GigE's at POPs to multi-lambda backbones. I am not saying that to boast, only to provide some level of baseline that unlike a few folks here, I do know what I am talking about on this topic.

I never worked for ATT...I actually do not like them as a company, but I am a iPhone customer. Why? Because they sell a product that I like.

I don't need it. I choose to use it.

Unlimited is marketing...lets just stop hanging onto that word like it alone can win you a lawsuit (it can't). Oversubscription is a business model: been that way since switched voice became a reality. TELECOM uses it. Period.

Notice that wireless providers are not lumped into broadband providers (FIOS, Cable Broadband, DSL) from the FCC's perspective when it comes to network management practices? Why is that? Edge bandwidth is severely limited from a technology point of view, and that is understood. Don't expect the media to report this...the media is more interested in vapid rich idiots and what they wear then real technology or science reporting.

Broadband can install more physical media, split nodes, etc...but more towers are not going to help when your spectrum is *full*.

This provides wireless providers the flexibility to manage their network (and to a point I feel is wrong: broadband providers fight the same fight with abusive subscribers but that is a debate for another day).

Streaming media, like torrents, is an application that is and will continue to stress the network at the edge. Despite massive amounts of caching and CDNs, the edge technology is the problem and there is no easy solution.

If a provider can whack 5% of their subs and thus help the other 95% get better service levels, that is what they will do, and its the right business decision.

The analogy of an all you can eat buffet is a good one but it was not used correctly IMHO.

There is a finite limit to what you can eat. Your stomach will get full at some point, and yes different people's stomachs are different sizes.

There is not one person simply spooning the General Tso's chicken from the bin, into the garbage disposal 24/7/365, now is there? If there was, it would mean others would have a damn hard time getting a morsel of deep fried goodness with that person constantly consuming. And for what?

If it was YOUR business...how would you run it? And don't say you would expand the network...not until you have a bank account that can pay billions for more spectrum, coupled that with billions for a DWDM transport network (a 40G line module list price is 1MM...40G is not a lot when you have 20MM subs, let alone 100M...and think about how many nodes exist on the network).

I'm not saying cry a river for the mobility carriers; they are profitable. But most Americans are share holders (mutual funds, 401Ks, etc...) so don't forget that either. Its a business, albeit suspiciously collusive. How is this different then banks, mortgage companies, insurance carriers, etc.... :D

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Wow...I think the waaah to reasonable level on this thread must be 9:1. :D

I'm not saying cry a river for the mobility carriers; they are profitable. But most Americans are share holders (mutual funds, 401Ks, etc...) so don't forget that either. Its a business, albeit suspiciously collusive. How is this different then banks, mortgage companies, insurance carriers, etc.... :D

- b

Excellent post!

It's nice to hear the voice of reason, intellect & good common sense. :)
 
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