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I was precisely thinking about the Surface: sales are a small fraction of the iPad’s
When they review sales of PC’s they specifically include Surface and exclude iPads. If they included iPad numbers in the sales of Apple computers, the numbers would be lopsided in favor of Apple.
 
When they review sales of PC’s they specifically include Surface and exclude iPads. If they included iPad numbers in the sales of Apple computers, the numbers would be lopsided in favor of Apple.
No matter how many cutesy ads they run suggesting it, the iPad is *not* a computer (despite having the guts of a fairly powerful one).

I mean, by that rationale, I have two arms, two legs, and am medically recognized as a human, so I must also legit be able to call myself Albert Einstein or Eddie Vedder, right? Just missing the critical software capabilities, that's all!
 
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No matter how many cutesy ads they run suggesting it, the iPad is *not* a computer (despite having the guts of a fairly powerful one).

I mean, by that rationale, I have two arms, two legs, and am medically recognized as a human, so I must also legit be able to call myself Albert Einstein or Eddie Vedder, right? Just missing the critical software capabilities, that's all!
An iPad is not an electronic device for storing and processing data, typically in binary form, according to instructions given to it in a variable program?

Well, what do you know, today I learned that the iPad MUST work in TRINARY form. I mean, because if it works in binary form, well, then by definition… (oh or maybe the iPad is magic and NOT electronic? Or the instructions are on a rock written in cuneiform instead of a variable program? Are we sure it stores and processes data, maybe it imagines and sings ballads about Scots Pine? Gotta be different in some way, just gotta figure it out).
 
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I hope by "editing movies" you mean people editing their TikTok videos because I would think the number of people who are actually editing commercial movies on an iPad would be very small.

While I had access to Adobe Premiere Pro during my time at film school (2 years), I used my iPad Pro with Lumasuite for every part of it.

And yeah, commercial videos...maybe not full length movies.... Have you even used Lumasuite?
 
No matter how many cutesy ads they run suggesting it, the iPad is *not* a computer (despite having the guts of a fairly powerful one).

I'm afraid it is, literally it computes. I know words are tricksy.

I mean, by that rationale, I have two arms, two legs, and am medically recognized as a human, so I must also legit be able to call myself Albert Einstein or Eddie Vedder, right? Just missing the critical software capabilities, that's all!

I admire the reductionism, but while the iPad literally computes, processes data, communicates across the internet, you haven't provided your medical recognotiton of being a human.

A better metaphor might be that while Albert Einstein or Eddie Vedder are the human versions of an iPad, you may be the human equivalent of a Zune player. ;)

Just playin', bra
 
You know who I feel sorry for? The Mac Studio, it has a processor identity crisis - will there be an M5 Ultra?

Mac Pro is still on M2 Ultra...
Kinda gives you an idea of the buy-cycles though. It came out in June 2023 so someone buying immediately has just over 2 years of use so far.

With a 3 year buy cycle, I wouldn’t expect it to appear before June 2026.
 
No matter how many cutesy ads they run suggesting it, the iPad is *not* a computer (despite having the guts of a fairly powerful one).

I mean, by that rationale, I have two arms, two legs, and am medically recognized as a human, so I must also legit be able to call myself Albert Einstein or Eddie Vedder, right? Just missing the critical software capabilities, that's all!
many people I’ve seen who do programming say this… ‘oh, ipad is missing VS code, Activity moniter and Shell…’ but tbh its really depends on what you do on a day to day basis on a laptop. I find most of my use cases I can just download on my ipad and get the exact same experience as if I was on a laptop. If key apps that you use are not on the ipad, then you can go ahead and use a mac but if most of your apps are on the app store and you get the same experience… there is no reason why should be using a mac rn.
 
Kinda gives you an idea of the buy-cycles though. It came out in June 2023 so someone buying immediately has just over 2 years of use so far.

With a 3 year buy cycle, I wouldn’t expect it to appear before June 2026.
Surely people are holding back too if they really want one given how out of date the processors are (talking Mac Pro here). Mac Pro almost seems redundant with the Studio around now anyways.
 
Surely people are holding back too if they really want one given how out of date the processors are (talking Mac Pro here). Mac Pro almost seems redundant with the Studio around now anyways.

Yup. Lots of market forces. But I mean it’s reasonable to assume at least a 3 year cycle.
 
many people I’ve seen who do programming say this… ‘oh, ipad is missing VS code, Activity moniter and Shell…’ but tbh its really depends on what you do on a day to day basis on a laptop. I find most of my use cases I can just download on my ipad and get the exact same experience as if I was on a laptop. If key apps that you use are not on the ipad, then you can go ahead and use a mac but if most of your apps are on the app store and you get the same experience… there is no reason why should be using a mac rn.
It's all relative, but I rarely program anymore, and even with Keynote, etc, apps and most everything becoming a "web app", it's just not the same for most workflows. I am, at this point in my career, almost entirely only doing things a normal executive would, and the iPad is really only the "I gotta do something in one app and I'm on the go" device despite having so much more potential.

I think if you *only* browse the web, it's great, or maybe open a doc or two, but you:

1. don't have a file system (share sheet & files app aren't a file system)
2. APIs are very limited & locked down still, so most apps don't do most things desktop versions can/do
3. window management is not very good (and, again, no third party things like rectangle pro/magnet, etc you have on the mac), even with 26
4. no shell (not even programming, just for general file management), and things like iSH aren't total substitutes, or even close (see #1 and #2)

Android tablets aren't either, don't get me wrong, but Dex is really cool and close to approximating things.

The iPad HW has *so much* untapped/wasted power and potential, that's probably the saddest part of this all.
 
An iPad is not an electronic device for storing and processing data, typically in binary form, according to instructions given to it in a variable program?

Well, what do you know, today I learned that the iPad MUST work in TRINARY form. I mean, because if it works in binary form, well, then by definition… (oh or maybe the iPad is magic and NOT electronic? Or the instructions are on a rock written in cuneiform instead of a variable program? Are we sure it stores and processes data, maybe it imagines and sings ballads about Scots Pine? Gotta be different in some way, just gotta figure it out).
You are completely, entirely missing the context and pretext of "iPad is a computer or not".
 
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1. don't have a file system (share sheet & files app aren't a file system)

Of course there’s a file system. And there are apps which expose this. Finder is an app. Windows Explorer is an app. Files is an app.

2. APIs are very limited & locked down still, so most apps don't do most things desktop versions can/do

And that’s a good thing. Apps are heavily sandboxed and I would say they could be locked down more.

3. window management is not very good (and, again, no third party things like rectangle pro/magnet, etc you have on the mac), even with 26

So Third parties are failing you. Hmmmm

4. no shell (not even programming, just for general file management), and things like iSH aren't total substitutes, or even close (see #1 and #2)

There are shell apps of course. You’re being vague about what you’re looking for. I suspect you don’t really know and this is just a moan.

Android tablets aren't either, don't get me wrong, but Dex is really cool and close to approximating things.

The iPad HW has *so much* untapped/wasted power and potential, that's probably the saddest part of this all.

Switch to Android then.

But saying that the iPad isn’t a computer or it’s just for watching videos and not doing real work is plainly a lie. You can’t manage it … which is a you problem. There’s no need to project your issues onto everyone else.
 
I think if you *only* browse the web, it's great, or maybe open a doc or two, but you:

1. don't have a file system (share sheet & files app aren't a file system)
2. APIs are very limited & locked down still, so most apps don't do most things desktop versions can/do
3. window management is not very good (and, again, no third party things like rectangle pro/magnet, etc you have on the mac), even with 26
4. no shell (not even programming, just for general file management), and things like iSH aren't total substitutes, or even close (see #1 and #2)

Android tablets aren't either, don't get me wrong, but Dex is really cool and close to approximating things.

The iPad HW has *so much* untapped/wasted power and potential, that's probably the saddest part of this all.
1) ok? so what do you determine a ‘file system’ when what you’ve excluded are file systems.
2) Most productivity apps like outlook. google docs etc can all be accessed on the web and most browsers will have a desktop mode.
3) tbh the windowing system is perfectly fine on ipadOS 26, there are a few little issues apple might need to sort out but I’ve had a positive experience with it.
4)I have mentioned you won’t get very far coding anything into ipadOS.

Andriod tablets are very good for like changing OS or getting root access into a device but andriod still lacks the multitasking refinements that ipadOS 26 does.
 
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