ATI Radeon 8000 PRO and 9700

Discussion in 'MacRumors News Discussion (archive)' started by arn, Jul 18, 2002.

  1. arn macrumors god


    Staff Member

    Apr 9, 2001
    ATI announced the Radeon 9000 PRO and 9700 at MacWorld.

    ATI Technologies Inc. (TSX:ATY, NASDAQ:ATYT) today announced that its groundbreaking new RADEON(TM) 9000 PRO and RADEON(TM) 9700 visual processors will be coming to Macintosh in the late summer and early fall. The revolutionary RADEON chips will astound Mac users with twice the graphics power and performance than any other chip on the market.
  2. hvfsl macrumors 68000


    Jul 9, 2001
    London, UK
    Hopefully Apple will include the Radeon 9000 in new iMacs as they retail for the same price as the Geforce 4 MXs, but are twice as fast.
  3. MhzDoesMatter macrumors regular

    Jul 1, 2002
    Fort Lauderdale, Florida
    So basically,

    "However, Mac Users should not be astounded by the new cards having only half the function drivers as other cards on the market."

    Hope the new cards rock, hope the software side is tight. Hope it's all BTO on the new powermacs.
  4. ntg macrumors regular


    May 3, 2002
    UK - Rushden, Northants
    I bet these would give my G4-400 a shot in the arm!! However, I don't suppose we'll know just how much 10.2 and a decent graphics card will help older systems until August 24th.
  5. Matthé macrumors member

    Oct 25, 2001

    "bohoo no powermacs at NY...nag nag nag"
    maybe this was why they waited a bit?
  6. synergy macrumors regular

    Jun 12, 2002
    You are going to need more than just a video card to give your G4 400 a shot in the arm. Under OS 10.2 most certainly provided the drivers are there. For other software like games you are processor and bus bound.

    I own a G4 400 and am feeling how slow it is with games. Sucks. Was hoping for a mention of the new towers so that I could at least decide if I should upgrade the CPU in my box or to just get a new machine.
  7. Geert macrumors 6502a


    May 28, 2001
    I'dd like to see some performance footage on these babies.
  8. PretendPCuser macrumors regular

    Nov 8, 2001
    Northern, NJ
    IMHO - ATi boards and Towers

    I'm kinda had a feeling that SJ would choose to wait to announce new Towers when a few other features/hardware were ready so he could really build some marketing blitz around it. Seems Jaguar will help with that and now the mention of new boards from ATI. They probably won't be avail. right away, (In August) but BTO will more than likely be an option. I can imagine new machines with Quartz Extreme and with these new boards will be absolutely too cool to pass up.

    Unfortunately (kind of) i have two G4 400s and i'll probably try to sell both of those and will maybe get enough in return to buy a G4 800-933 or whatever if they really blow the price out.

    Does anyone else believe as i do that SJ is trying to get away from major hardware product launches at MacWorld's because of how it affects sales before the shows?
  9. mcrain macrumors 68000


    Feb 8, 2002
    Re: IMHO - ATi boards and Towers

    Yeah, instead of offering new hardware at the shows (which gives people a disincentive to buy beforehand), he announces that if you bought a computer right before the show, you're going to have to pay an additional $129 just for the new OS.

    Great plan Steve.
  10. webmasterkai macrumors newbie

    Jul 18, 2002
    Minneapolis, MN
    Re: Re: IMHO - ATi boards and Towers

    SJ announces that if you bought a computer right before the show 10.2 would be yours for the cost of shipping. $20

    I think it smart to preview software. Buy a new mac so you can use all the new software shown at MW. Give us the hardware when it's ready.
  11. Rower_CPU Moderator emeritus


    Oct 5, 2001
    San Diego, CA
    Re: Re: Re: IMHO - ATi boards and Towers

    Except that right before the show in this case is July 17th...for a couple of hours.:rolleyes:
  12. moJoMR macrumors newbie

    Jul 10, 2002
    Re: Re: Re: IMHO - ATi boards and Towers

    Right before the show.. how much time did we really have before the show? 6hours? grr steve.. I'd shoot him if I bought a machine in the past 3months.. (luckily, its been 4..)
  13. Tomasz macrumors regular

    Dec 30, 2001
    Berkeley, California
    The cards theoritical performance is great. So far the 9000 pro is a great consumer level product (especially for its price and performance). The 9700 is awesome. The difference in quality is over the top. They dumped bump graphics, and you should see the difference.

    I think tomshardware or another pc site (yeah... i know) will have an article and show you what you can expect (at least partially, considering that its the pc version). The 9000 series will probably be here in a few days, because they are already being tested, but the 9700 will be ready in a few weeks. So enjoy the wait:)


    P.S. Hopefully this will help ATI out until the NV18/30s hit the market, at which point they will once again be "only" second best in shear performance.
  14. GPTurismo macrumors 6502

    May 4, 2001
    Montgomery, AL USA
    I will believe it when I see the cards. They have said this about every card they have released since Nvidia took over with the GeForce, and their driver support still is poor.

    Also Nvidia and Apple are getting really close, which to me is a great idea ^_^
  15. topicolo macrumors 68000


    Jun 4, 2002
    Ottawa, ON
    They have the numbers up at HardOCP. From the looks of it, the 9700 is going to OWN the GF4 Ti. Apparently, the 9700 with 4x full screen anti aliasing at 1600x1200 in quake 3 is about 20% faster than the fastest GF4 WITHOUT anti-aliasing. If AA is switched on on the GF4, the 9700 is up to 300% faster! WOW!
  16. Tomasz macrumors regular

    Dec 30, 2001
    Berkeley, California
    They do say this everytime... but this time it actually looks true. Also, the last time, the 8500 was almost a perfect match.... until nVidia released the new detonator driver (which they were holding from the public inorder to release it when ATI released their card... inorder to make it look worse).

    And I personally don't want Apple and nVidia to be very close.... leaving ATI out. With more competion, better products are produced.

    And since we are talking about graphic cards.... matrox should bring their new baby to the apple side. Can you imagine THREE 23" displays hooked up? That is very interesting... although it won't be as fast as the ti4600. But that is some massive realestate.

  17. topicolo macrumors 68000


    Jun 4, 2002
    Ottawa, ON
    Bah. I wouldn't touch a parhelia-512 with a 10 foot pole. It's overpriced, slow as hell with crappy pc drivers (they won't do better for mac) and has crap tech support.
  18. sergeantmudd macrumors member

    Apr 21, 2002
    Apple Display Connector

    I have been wanting to upgrade the card in my tower for awhile now, but no way I was going to until a retail card supported ADC. The Radeon 9000 has an ADC and DVI-I connector. Now I can buy a new card for less than $400 dollars (price of Nvidia/Apple GeForce4 Ti I believe)
  19. Wry Cooter macrumors 6502

    Mar 10, 2002
    Will either of these cards work with a 2x agp sawtooth? I can't even find the 8500 anymore.
  20. topicolo macrumors 68000


    Jun 4, 2002
    Ottawa, ON
    Theoretically, even agp 8x cards should be backwards compatible with agp 2x slots. I don't think there should be any problem.
  21. Sun Baked macrumors G5

    Sun Baked

    May 19, 2002
    Apple Store still sells the ATI 8500 (299) along with the NVidia GeForece 4 Ti (399) - don't know about stock or availability.

    Would have been nice if Apple would have offered the ATI 8500 card as a BTO option on the towers, but they are only selling ADC cards.

    The ATI 8500 card would have been a nice cheap BTO option for those who only need a DVI or VGA connector right now.
  22. MasterX (OSiX) macrumors 6502

    Sep 3, 2001
    From someone who actually SAW it...

    I was at MacWorld, and I saw what I thought was the Radeon 10000 (which was actually the 9700 as it turns out). There are a few VERY important things I got answered. First the Radeon8500 and the Sushi engine (which can access ALL of the R200's features) are coming to the mac via sw download sometime soon (they had a sweet demo on a G4). They then told me about their "yet unannounced" card (9700) and it's Sushi 2 engine. WOW that thing can cook. It had an unlimited number of polys dumped into this car with a 3 pass texture object (sparkle, reflection, color) and it ran quite smooth and the next generation pixel shaders are amazing. i could not tell they weren't modeled on the car. Furthurmore (being a concerned OSX user) I asked if Jaguar's OpenGL was powerful enough to support this amazing new Sushui 2 engine and the drivers that it would need. They said yes, although making the drivers was the time consumer, but that that was their only limitation. So look forward to seeing programmable pixel shaders in Jagaur on your 8500 soon, and Sushi demos as a screen saver soon after that. I can't wait (this demo was AWESOME)
  23. MasterX (OSiX) macrumors 6502

    Sep 3, 2001
    Sorry I should clarify:

    Mac rig:
    Sushi Demo
    OpenGL 1.2
    beta drivers at show
    real drivers available soon after Jaguar is out
    9700 drivers will be available (sooner than it took to get real Radeon Mac Ed. drivers)

    PC Rig:
    Sushi 2 demo
    Windows XP
    DirectX (assuming)
    beta drivers at show
    real drivers available before the mac ones, lucky little....
  24. AlphaTech macrumors 601


    Oct 4, 2001
    Natick, MA
    Don't forget, the Radeon 9000 Pro will have an ADC and DVI connection on the back. More info about the card can be found here. Something else to note, the 9000 Pro and 9700 cards are BOTH AGP cards. :D
  25. big macrumors 65816


    Feb 20, 2002
    >the 9000 Pro and 9700 cards are BOTH AGP cards

    I went "shopping" for a video card, and could not believe how quickly PCI was running out of steam for video support.

    Hardly any card (even for Pc's) are pci, since when did they go AGP?

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