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Re: Get over it
Than maybe SJ should stop giving keynote speeches. Every Mac user knows that if SJ is going to give a speech, there must be a product update involved. Apple could merely attend and support the Expos without playing a major role.
Than maybe SJ should stop giving keynote speeches. Every Mac user knows that if SJ is going to give a speech, there must be a product update involved. Apple could merely attend and support the Expos without playing a major role.
Re: Re: Get over it
If Jobs didn't traditionally speak at Macworld shows and Apple didn't make a big fuss about them, nobody would attend Macworld shows!
Low profile = low attendance = no good.
Escher
If Jobs didn't traditionally speak at Macworld shows and Apple didn't make a big fuss about them, nobody would attend Macworld shows!
Low profile = low attendance = no good.
Escher
jelloshotsrule
macrumors G3
you do realize how recently fcp 3 came out, right?
given the time b/w 1 and 2 and 2 and 3. i don't see that
the others i could see....
I did hear about the upgrades cards to 1ghz - any idea how much it costs?
i hope that 1.2 is not the top speed - that would be such a mediocre upgrade. I'm hoping 1.4 or 1.5 at least.
I'm debating wheter to get a 667mhz powerbook or upgrade to a 800mhz or 1ghz Powermac. I just sold my wintel laptop and im in need of a mobile system.
Upgrade PowerMac or go with the powerbook? any suggestions
Actually, a lot of Pentium and PII machines are working just fine. Heck our civil engineering dept has a 'frankenstein" P200 hooked up to the network to pull mp3's from another computer. It acts as a music server for out dept :]
The backup server for 60 people is a Pentium II 266, running win98, (which has no user login limit *heh*). Only now are we going to replace it :\
The best computer is one that does the job..period.
BTW I still love my Mac 😀
Ooops, that's a misquote...it says now:
"speed-bumps to at least 1.2GHz"
oh well...and now I thought they were saying "of at least 1.2 Ghz" which would mean at least we'll see 2.2 Ghz PowerMacs.
http://www.macs4all.com/Merchant/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=T&Product_Code=PWL-PFG4-1000C
Has a nice low price on the card. I am waiting tho for someone else to try them and some benchmarking, before I tear the Cube apart 🙂
Grokgod
macrumors 6502a
~ Dongmin
Dongmin , you are such a DONG!
So your saying that NO announcements at MW will make people buy units before a MW.
Why wont They just stop buying before AUgust!>?
This is different HOW?
Its obvious the PowerMacs need a huge bump and people don't buy when they feel something needs a BUMP, like this. THey wait and make due with what they have LIKE SO many people here are doing and saying!
Wether APPLE stops announcements at MW's or makes them whenever, is really just shuffling around the point of interest and people are still going to look at MW for news and they are still going to wait for the upgrades.
No wait your right.
Now that you have said this theory.
I have decided to NOT wait any more and am going to buy a DUMBASS old tech 1 giger with SDram and for TOP DOLLAR! ! ! !
I am NOT going to wait another month or any amount of time.
I am going to just jump right in and buy THOUSANDS of dollars worth of computer tech that in a month or perhaps a few will be Worthless compared to the NEW tech that has been years in the coming!
ANd be saddled with a slow unit while others that have common sense will be getting the newest and the best for the same price that I paid or less.
Damn your theory of "Get over it" has worked!
NOT!
I am NOT buying anything till the PowerMacs enter the real world of current computer specs! I don't care how long it takes! Get inthe bunker, Kids!
Dongmin , you are such a DONG!
So your saying that NO announcements at MW will make people buy units before a MW.
Why wont They just stop buying before AUgust!>?
This is different HOW?
Its obvious the PowerMacs need a huge bump and people don't buy when they feel something needs a BUMP, like this. THey wait and make due with what they have LIKE SO many people here are doing and saying!
Wether APPLE stops announcements at MW's or makes them whenever, is really just shuffling around the point of interest and people are still going to look at MW for news and they are still going to wait for the upgrades.
No wait your right.
Now that you have said this theory.
I have decided to NOT wait any more and am going to buy a DUMBASS old tech 1 giger with SDram and for TOP DOLLAR! ! ! !
I am NOT going to wait another month or any amount of time.
I am going to just jump right in and buy THOUSANDS of dollars worth of computer tech that in a month or perhaps a few will be Worthless compared to the NEW tech that has been years in the coming!
ANd be saddled with a slow unit while others that have common sense will be getting the newest and the best for the same price that I paid or less.
Damn your theory of "Get over it" has worked!
NOT!
I am NOT buying anything till the PowerMacs enter the real world of current computer specs! I don't care how long it takes! Get inthe bunker, Kids!
Re: Get over it
What makes you think consumers want to buy tired G4 models when they know(based on the Xserve) that the next tower is going to be way better with newer technologies? ...of course ppl expect to see DDR in the next tower line..of course they expect to see a faster FSB! Its a given! The buying has virtually stopped on Power Macs so they can try to sell them all they like but consumers aren't buying..we all KNOW about the Xserve! We are all waiting for something better!!
I'd be willing to bet that 35-50% of Pro mac users know about MWNY and anticipate new towers since the current models are old skool and Apple typically releases new hardware on that day. The buying hasn't stopped because of these rumor sites, but rather, due to the well informed Mac users who want more from Apple. We are a tightly knit community that speaks to each other.
Also, I am trying to be objective towards the rumor sites now because i think Apple has started a misinformation campaign to the rumor sites...some of the rumors are true for the purpose of preparing the Mac fanatics for the worst..Some rumors may be false for the purpose of cleaning out the old G4 inventory! This is the benefit Apple has uipon you the Mac luvin Fanatic! They can play with your Mac lovin heads until the last moment.
so on that note...lets all just wait another 4 days, 15 hours, 2 minutes until MacWorld Expo Keynote k?
What makes you think consumers want to buy tired G4 models when they know(based on the Xserve) that the next tower is going to be way better with newer technologies? ...of course ppl expect to see DDR in the next tower line..of course they expect to see a faster FSB! Its a given! The buying has virtually stopped on Power Macs so they can try to sell them all they like but consumers aren't buying..we all KNOW about the Xserve! We are all waiting for something better!!
I'd be willing to bet that 35-50% of Pro mac users know about MWNY and anticipate new towers since the current models are old skool and Apple typically releases new hardware on that day. The buying hasn't stopped because of these rumor sites, but rather, due to the well informed Mac users who want more from Apple. We are a tightly knit community that speaks to each other.
Also, I am trying to be objective towards the rumor sites now because i think Apple has started a misinformation campaign to the rumor sites...some of the rumors are true for the purpose of preparing the Mac fanatics for the worst..Some rumors may be false for the purpose of cleaning out the old G4 inventory! This is the benefit Apple has uipon you the Mac luvin Fanatic! They can play with your Mac lovin heads until the last moment.
so on that note...lets all just wait another 4 days, 15 hours, 2 minutes until MacWorld Expo Keynote k?
FCP 3?
Woah, not so fast.
And another iApp? Like that's going to make up for the lack of current hardware?
STEVE! You're killing me! How can I get people to switch if all I have to offer them is a T-REX 500?
Woah, not so fast.
And another iApp? Like that's going to make up for the lack of current hardware?
STEVE! You're killing me! How can I get people to switch if all I have to offer them is a T-REX 500?
I think you're being WAY too optimisitic. You're expecting upgrades to the iMac, eMac, iBook, PowerBook, iPod, AND PowerMac - in ONE SHOW? Plus a new product, too? That's Apple's entire line of hardware except for the XServe!
I think we'll see one or two of these things, but by no means all. It's impossible, no company could do or would do anything like this...
Everyone goes on about these Macworld events affecting peoples buying descions, but in reality it's only the hardcore minority (such as readers of this forum) that are even aware of these events - the average Joe has no real idea of when the new Macs are going to appear - all they care about is whats on the shelf, how much it cost and what it looks like (Apples strong point).
The simple fact is why not release products at a major trade event if it coincides with Apples time table.
This doesn't avoid the fact that Apple needs to update it's pro product soon as it's simply being left behind by the PC market. Good CPU speed hikes, DDR Ram and a 133mhz MoBo at least are required. DVD-R's all round would be icing on the cake (for me anyway).
As for the iMac, why a 17" screen? Why not just increase the resolution to 1280 x 1024 (or similar to the PowerBook screen), or there abouts, that would make it far more usable.
The simple fact is why not release products at a major trade event if it coincides with Apples time table.
This doesn't avoid the fact that Apple needs to update it's pro product soon as it's simply being left behind by the PC market. Good CPU speed hikes, DDR Ram and a 133mhz MoBo at least are required. DVD-R's all round would be icing on the cake (for me anyway).
As for the iMac, why a 17" screen? Why not just increase the resolution to 1280 x 1024 (or similar to the PowerBook screen), or there abouts, that would make it far more usable.
solvs
macrumors 603
Displays?
Anyone else notice that a lot of the rebates and discounts are for Displays and other products? There could be new PM Towers (I hope, I hope, I hope).
I need a new machine.
I want something nice though if I'm spending thousands of $$$. DDR-Ram, ATA/100+, 120 GB+ hard drives, etc.
OWC - http://eshop.macsales.com - is taking orders for the 800 MHz - 1 GHz upgrades.
Can't wait to get a FW Pro case and one of those new 200 GB Western Digital Hard Drives.
Anyone else notice that a lot of the rebates and discounts are for Displays and other products? There could be new PM Towers (I hope, I hope, I hope).
I need a new machine.
I want something nice though if I'm spending thousands of $$$. DDR-Ram, ATA/100+, 120 GB+ hard drives, etc.
OWC - http://eshop.macsales.com - is taking orders for the 800 MHz - 1 GHz upgrades.
Can't wait to get a FW Pro case and one of those new 200 GB Western Digital Hard Drives.
Do Adobe & Macromedia see a dud show?
Because Adobe and Macromedia have pulled out next week's show, perhaps they expect a dud. If it is a dud--just news about the PC attendance at their stores, a couple i-app updates, and maybe a Dalmation or Flower Power skin for the Pro towers--then Adobe and Macromedia have no reason to believe there'll be excitement about what *they* have to sell.
I think the only reason that people tune into the shows for h/w announcements is that such announcements come so infrequently. On the PC side, things seem to always be in a state of development and release to the buying public. I mean, AMD releases a faster chip and the PC owner can get it and upgrade his/her computer that evening.
We Mac people are always waiting to be fed. Like a dog waiting for its master to return home and break out the Gaines Burgers.
Because Adobe and Macromedia have pulled out next week's show, perhaps they expect a dud. If it is a dud--just news about the PC attendance at their stores, a couple i-app updates, and maybe a Dalmation or Flower Power skin for the Pro towers--then Adobe and Macromedia have no reason to believe there'll be excitement about what *they* have to sell.
I think the only reason that people tune into the shows for h/w announcements is that such announcements come so infrequently. On the PC side, things seem to always be in a state of development and release to the buying public. I mean, AMD releases a faster chip and the PC owner can get it and upgrade his/her computer that evening.
We Mac people are always waiting to be fed. Like a dog waiting for its master to return home and break out the Gaines Burgers.
I hope it's not 1.2Ghz max
I've been sticking with my 300Mhz G3 for years now, waiting for a mac to come out that will really blow me away, I only need maybe a 4 fold speed increase in all my apps and more expansion and I'll think about saving for a new mac.
I hope the predictions of 1, 1.2 dual and 1.4 dual with are what we're getting, DDR aswell because if I set my sights on a dual 1.2Ghz, I've got a lot to look forward to because I'll never afford a new mac till march anyway, it's a dead certainty that I'll get the performance I want by then.
In the past we've seen a 733 overclocked to 867Mhz and that was the next mac, then 867 - 1Ghz, then 1Ghz - 1.2Ghz. I hope we see something more than another predictable speed bump with a faster, DDR motherboard to make it look more powerful this time.
All the tests I've seen indicate that DDR only offers about a 10% speed gain, couple that with 1.4Ghz chips and the high end will be pretty damn fast with the mid range being more than adequate and the entry level being okay but not perfect (only if they leave off the L3 like they do now).
I want the kind of power where I can run half a dozen software synths with no dropped notes alongside protools LE with the maximum amount of tracks at 24bit quality and not hit a brickwall at some stage having to cut back on effects to free up cpu cycles for other tasks. I know from benchmarks that a dual 800Mhz G4 is about 4 times more powerful than my mac, a dual 1Ghz G4 would be even better but for cost reasons I've just got to wait till we see a mac with at least a 1.2Ghz G4 as a mid range or even entry level model so I can get one for about £1,500 or less. Any more than that and I'm still waiting for something better to come along. At least if I know the entry level is 1Ghz with DDR I can safely add a CPU upgrade without worrying that I could get an overall faster mac for a few hundred more. Right now a new mac doesn't seem worth it, a used dual 500 would make more sense for me at present.
Of course this whole thread is based on yet another rumour and I've got the same "I'll beleive it when I see it" attitude to it as all the other rumours but there's been so much talk of a 1.4 or 1.5Ghz high end system that I've begun to hope for a 1.2Ghz mid range model so I've got something worth buying to aim for as an end of life deal after the next range of powermacs come out next year.
I've been sticking with my 300Mhz G3 for years now, waiting for a mac to come out that will really blow me away, I only need maybe a 4 fold speed increase in all my apps and more expansion and I'll think about saving for a new mac.
I hope the predictions of 1, 1.2 dual and 1.4 dual with are what we're getting, DDR aswell because if I set my sights on a dual 1.2Ghz, I've got a lot to look forward to because I'll never afford a new mac till march anyway, it's a dead certainty that I'll get the performance I want by then.
In the past we've seen a 733 overclocked to 867Mhz and that was the next mac, then 867 - 1Ghz, then 1Ghz - 1.2Ghz. I hope we see something more than another predictable speed bump with a faster, DDR motherboard to make it look more powerful this time.
All the tests I've seen indicate that DDR only offers about a 10% speed gain, couple that with 1.4Ghz chips and the high end will be pretty damn fast with the mid range being more than adequate and the entry level being okay but not perfect (only if they leave off the L3 like they do now).
I want the kind of power where I can run half a dozen software synths with no dropped notes alongside protools LE with the maximum amount of tracks at 24bit quality and not hit a brickwall at some stage having to cut back on effects to free up cpu cycles for other tasks. I know from benchmarks that a dual 800Mhz G4 is about 4 times more powerful than my mac, a dual 1Ghz G4 would be even better but for cost reasons I've just got to wait till we see a mac with at least a 1.2Ghz G4 as a mid range or even entry level model so I can get one for about £1,500 or less. Any more than that and I'm still waiting for something better to come along. At least if I know the entry level is 1Ghz with DDR I can safely add a CPU upgrade without worrying that I could get an overall faster mac for a few hundred more. Right now a new mac doesn't seem worth it, a used dual 500 would make more sense for me at present.
Of course this whole thread is based on yet another rumour and I've got the same "I'll beleive it when I see it" attitude to it as all the other rumours but there's been so much talk of a 1.4 or 1.5Ghz high end system that I've begun to hope for a 1.2Ghz mid range model so I've got something worth buying to aim for as an end of life deal after the next range of powermacs come out next year.
Rocketman
macrumors 603
Why not G3?
A long time ago back in the olden days when BeOS was likely to succeed, there was talk of G3 processors being made to interoperate for MP systems. However when the rubber (or silicon) hit the road only the G4 was really set-up for that and only the vaporware G5 was optimized for it.
BUT with the EOL of the G3 coming soon and with the likely delays and unsuitability of the G5 for consumer systems anytime soon (3 years), why not make a G3 version with a "cheater altivec" and a dedicated MP segment and put 4 to a card. Use that card in current SP and MP machines to get 4 and 8 processors respectively. With the cheapness of those processors and the mhz multiplier effect one could claim, all of a sudden we would have 3 Ghz imacs. Or emacs or Gmacs!
Even though G3 is relatively behind the curve, it is no wimp. OSX is designed to exploit alot of wimps. And if the latest processes were to be employed on the new G3+ dies they could run both cooler AND faster.
4xMP Ti anyone? Combine that with faster frontside bus (533 in the intel world) and DDR memory (standard apple futureram) and fast I/O eveywhere, all of a sudden you would also have a truly tivo class processor for consumers.
It was the vision way back when, and it was a good one. Why not revive it? The concept was to use alot of cheap, easy to make chips. So do THAT.
Rocketman
A long time ago back in the olden days when BeOS was likely to succeed, there was talk of G3 processors being made to interoperate for MP systems. However when the rubber (or silicon) hit the road only the G4 was really set-up for that and only the vaporware G5 was optimized for it.
BUT with the EOL of the G3 coming soon and with the likely delays and unsuitability of the G5 for consumer systems anytime soon (3 years), why not make a G3 version with a "cheater altivec" and a dedicated MP segment and put 4 to a card. Use that card in current SP and MP machines to get 4 and 8 processors respectively. With the cheapness of those processors and the mhz multiplier effect one could claim, all of a sudden we would have 3 Ghz imacs. Or emacs or Gmacs!
Even though G3 is relatively behind the curve, it is no wimp. OSX is designed to exploit alot of wimps. And if the latest processes were to be employed on the new G3+ dies they could run both cooler AND faster.
4xMP Ti anyone? Combine that with faster frontside bus (533 in the intel world) and DDR memory (standard apple futureram) and fast I/O eveywhere, all of a sudden you would also have a truly tivo class processor for consumers.
It was the vision way back when, and it was a good one. Why not revive it? The concept was to use alot of cheap, easy to make chips. So do THAT.
Rocketman
Re: Why not G3?
Oh yeah.... this rocks. Cmon STEVE! Do it! This would waste WASTE PCs, and be cheap, with decent profit margins, and... FCP would kick so much ass! YES! Steve! DO IT! DO IT!
Originally posted by Rocketman
A long time ago back in the olden days when BeOS was likely to succeed, there was talk of G3 processors being made to interoperate for MP systems. However when the rubber (or silicon) hit the road only the G4 was really set-up for that and only the vaporware G5 was optimized for it.
BUT with the EOL of the G3 coming soon and with the likely delays and unsuitability of the G5 for consumer systems anytime soon (3 years), why not make a G3 version with a "cheater altivec" and a dedicated MP segment and put 4 to a card. Use that card in current SP and MP machines to get 4 and 8 processors respectively. With the cheapness of those processors and the mhz multiplier effect one could claim, all of a sudden we would have 3 Ghz imacs. Or emacs or Gmacs!
Even though G3 is relatively behind the curve, it is no wimp. OSX is designed to exploit alot of wimps. And if the latest processes were to be employed on the new G3+ dies they could run both cooler AND faster.
4xMP Ti anyone? Combine that with faster frontside bus (533 in the intel world) and DDR memory (standard apple futureram) and fast I/O eveywhere, all of a sudden you would also have a truly tivo class processor for consumers.
It was the vision way back when, and it was a good one. Why not revive it? The concept was to use alot of cheap, easy to make chips. So do THAT.
Rocketman
Oh yeah.... this rocks. Cmon STEVE! Do it! This would waste WASTE PCs, and be cheap, with decent profit margins, and... FCP would kick so much ass! YES! Steve! DO IT! DO IT!
quote:
Originally posted by sjs
I cannot believe Steve has that in mind. For that reason I still expect MWNY to have all these things:
1. iMac speed bumps + 17"
2. eMac speed bumps
3. bumps to iBook and/or TiBook
4. something for iPod
5. at the very least PowerMac announcement.
6. Also don't forget, while Jaguar is well-known to us, its a very big thing with the speed and feature changes. Bigger than Win 95 to Win 98 really.
7. Plus at least one more thing, some surprise, something for the digital hub.
I think you're being WAY too optimisitic. You're expecting upgrades to the iMac, eMac, iBook, PowerBook, iPod, AND PowerMac - in ONE SHOW? Plus a new product, too? That's Apple's entire line of hardware except for the XServe!
I think we'll see one or two of these things, but by no means all. It's impossible, no company could do or would do anything like this...
_________________________________________________
Q-bert, you may be right that I am too optimistic, but "impossible"???Here's how they do the upgrades:
iMac-slide in an already common G4 chip, 933 or 1ghz. That's all it takes.
eMac-slide in an already existing chip...
iBook-does IBM have a faster chip? I don't know but I bet they do.
TiBook-same as others.
iPod-slide in a 20 gig HD plus contact software. Easy.
Another device...that would be the surprise. But hey, they can do it!
We let Apple get away with making "upgrades" too slowly and then making too big a deal of it. In every machine but the PM its JUST A CHIP! Quit acting like that's some difficult feat and quit being so happy when Apple finally does give a speed bump that's about a year or two behind to start with.
Originally posted by sjs
I cannot believe Steve has that in mind. For that reason I still expect MWNY to have all these things:
1. iMac speed bumps + 17"
2. eMac speed bumps
3. bumps to iBook and/or TiBook
4. something for iPod
5. at the very least PowerMac announcement.
6. Also don't forget, while Jaguar is well-known to us, its a very big thing with the speed and feature changes. Bigger than Win 95 to Win 98 really.
7. Plus at least one more thing, some surprise, something for the digital hub.
I think you're being WAY too optimisitic. You're expecting upgrades to the iMac, eMac, iBook, PowerBook, iPod, AND PowerMac - in ONE SHOW? Plus a new product, too? That's Apple's entire line of hardware except for the XServe!
I think we'll see one or two of these things, but by no means all. It's impossible, no company could do or would do anything like this...
_________________________________________________
Q-bert, you may be right that I am too optimistic, but "impossible"???Here's how they do the upgrades:
iMac-slide in an already common G4 chip, 933 or 1ghz. That's all it takes.
eMac-slide in an already existing chip...
iBook-does IBM have a faster chip? I don't know but I bet they do.
TiBook-same as others.
iPod-slide in a 20 gig HD plus contact software. Easy.
Another device...that would be the surprise. But hey, they can do it!
We let Apple get away with making "upgrades" too slowly and then making too big a deal of it. In every machine but the PM its JUST A CHIP! Quit acting like that's some difficult feat and quit being so happy when Apple finally does give a speed bump that's about a year or two behind to start with.
Don't get me wrong, I thinnk my iMac G3 600 runs OSX pretty darn good for what I need.
What I am saying here is this...
Why the heck do you have an expensive ad campaign to convince and convert the great unwashed masses when you know that PC users and mac users consider most of the hardware to be out of date or at least not on the cutting edge. And then to let a giant free ad (Expo) go by with only a couple of interesting items is like throwing the switch campaign down the drain. All the media will be reporting that "Apple disappointed" with their lack of announcemnts of newer, faster, better stuff. That would be dumb and I BET IT DOESN"T HAPPEN!
What I am saying here is this...
Why the heck do you have an expensive ad campaign to convince and convert the great unwashed masses when you know that PC users and mac users consider most of the hardware to be out of date or at least not on the cutting edge. And then to let a giant free ad (Expo) go by with only a couple of interesting items is like throwing the switch campaign down the drain. All the media will be reporting that "Apple disappointed" with their lack of announcemnts of newer, faster, better stuff. That would be dumb and I BET IT DOESN"T HAPPEN!
eric_n_dfw
macrumors 68000
titanimum
The next powermac will cover with Titanimum casing with bright Apple logo in the front...faster Superdriver, USB 2, more powerful graphic card, and of course DDR...top of the line model will include 250 MB ZIP Drive...
low end 1ghz+
middle 1.2ghz
top of the line dual 1.2ghz
The next powermac will cover with Titanimum casing with bright Apple logo in the front...faster Superdriver, USB 2, more powerful graphic card, and of course DDR...top of the line model will include 250 MB ZIP Drive...
low end 1ghz+
middle 1.2ghz
top of the line dual 1.2ghz
I agree!
If Apple didn't at least announce new PowerMacs at MWNY a lot of people would be very mad. People look at the current speeds of PeeCees that are up to 2+Ghz, and here is apple with only 1 Ghz for a lot more. Most people aren't smart enough to know that the way a PeeCee is clocked it is slower than it is rated.🙁
My guess, they announce new PowerMacs but don't take orders until august.
Thats my .02
-Conrad
If Apple didn't at least announce new PowerMacs at MWNY a lot of people would be very mad. People look at the current speeds of PeeCees that are up to 2+Ghz, and here is apple with only 1 Ghz for a lot more. Most people aren't smart enough to know that the way a PeeCee is clocked it is slower than it is rated.🙁
My guess, they announce new PowerMacs but don't take orders until august.
Thats my .02
-Conrad