Australian Retailer Ready for 'Cat and Mouse' Game with Apple over Galaxy Tab Sales

[gri]

Not real scientific presentations, that wouldn't be possible.
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I have a very hard time believing that publication-quality figures were "authored" on an iPad. Perhaps the content was created elsewhere and displayed/presented with an iPad? In addition, there's no USB slot for a "presenter" (slide changer/green laser point in one device). I also don't think that an iPad has the horsepower to actively display/present/control high-resolution structures or fluorescent microscopic movies. Maybe, if one wanted to present some prepackaged content from a pharma company it would be OK, but not for serious scientific presentation.

It's just too cumbersome to be effective. In addition, people look like they're trying to hard to be cool/hip when presentating with one.

Unless I missed sarcasm - yes, real ones. Gave two talks on the Society of Nuclear Medicine last year, a seminar at my institution and a couple other ones. Keynote on the iPad, mobile me or iCloud for transfer and adaptor to connect to VGA for projection and it works pretty well. And I used microscopy images as well. You don't need high res images for a talk since the projectors don't go higher than maybe 1600 x 1200 (if you are lucky). I prepare the talks on my Mac but changed few things here and there on the fly on the iPad just before the presentation to react to what other speakers said. We are not talking about publication-quality figures. And you don't need a USB slot, you change the slides as it should be on the iPad by swiping with your finger, a finger hold on the screen gives you a (red) "laser point".

Horsepower - not that I am a gamer or anything but did you see the graphic performance they get on an iPad?
And being "hip" maybe, but the weight saved over even my MBA is pleasant and I am not a fan of MS PP so I avoid it where I can.

 

[Mortalias]

It shouldn't be too hard to ship to 2 people anyway.

Seriously, who wants the Galaxy Tablet?

 

[acidfast7]

Unless I missed sarcasm - yes, real ones. Gave two talks on the Society of Nuclear Medicine last year, a seminar at my institution and a couple other ones. Keynote on the iPad, mobile me or iCloud for transfer and adaptor to connect to VGA for projection and it works pretty well. And I used microscopy images as well. You don't need high res images for a talk since the projectors don't go higher than maybe 1600 x 1200 (if you are lucky). I prepare the talks on my Mac but changed few things here and there on the fly on the iPad just before the presentation to react to what other speakers said. We are not talking about publication-quality figures. And you don't need a USB slot, you change the slides as it should be on the iPad by swiping with your finger, a finger hold on the screen gives you a (red) "laser point".

Horsepower - not that I am a gamer or anything but did you see the graphic display they get on an iPad?
And being "hip" maybe, but the weight saved over even my MBA is pleasant and I am not a fan of MS PP so I avoid it where I can.

There is no sarcasm. I've given several talks at GRCs and society meetings and I've seen a total of zero done with an iPad or Keynote. I think people would be ridiculed beyond belief (as would they for presenting anything not publication-quality).

I'm talking horsepower for displaying movie during a presentation (i.e. rotation/zooming of a high-resolution GPCR structures or fluorescently labeled vesicle trafficking). I just don't think the iPad would be able to pull it off. If someone wanted to show a few Excel/Numbers charts than maybe, but not anything demanding.

 

[knoxtown]

Real life also isn't a literal cat and mouse chase.

Tell that to my neighbor's cat that always leaves dead mice and moles on his doorstep.

 

[marksman]

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I find it interesting in reading the Steve Jobs book that Wozniak's dad always taught Woz to hang in the middle, never be #1 or at the top of anything. I've shared this philosophy because I know what happens to those at the top. They have everyone shooting at them. The one thing human society hates more than a loser is a winner and they seek to bring them down. Look at Microsoft. Without Bush's intervention, it would have been broken up. Martha Stewart made a fortune from nothing and yes, she had to be brought down. Apple is now in the unenviable position of leader in a number of categories with the whole world shooting at it and based on the past, this does not bode well for the future. But what does one do? Hobble one's self?

Loser

While a bit rude, also on point.

Anyone who worries about the pitfalls of being #1 is not going to be #1 in the first place.

 

[something3153]

LOL @ 'We will not bow down to apple'. A judge made the ruling, not Apple. It's part of the law now.

You have a very shaky notion of the law.

 

[JAT]

There is no sarcasm. I've given several talks at GRCs and society meetings and I've seen a total of zero done with an iPad or Keynote. I think people would be ridiculed beyond belief (as would they for presenting anything not publication-quality).

I'm talking horsepower for displaying movie during a presentation (i.e. rotation/zooming of a high-resolution GPCR structures or fluorescently labeled vesicle trafficking). I just don't think the iPad would be able to pull it off. If someone wanted to show a few Excel/Numbers charts than maybe, but not anything demanding.

So, video-mirroring on some Win/Dell nightmare is professional? Seriously, dude. You clearly know nothing of the capabilities of a tablet, or of the needs of millions of people on this planet. Quit claiming your needs are the same as those you are talking to.

I'm not in the habit of spoon-feeding people.

Yet, that is precisely what you are attempting to do, spoon-feed tripe about tablets.

 

[acidfast7]

So, video-mirroring on some Win/Dell nightmare is professional? Seriously, dude. You clearly know nothing of the capabilities of a tablet, or of the needs of millions of people on this planet. Quit claiming your needs are the same as those you are talking to.


Yet, that is precisely what you are attempting to do, spoon-feed tripe about tablets.

I'm arguing the people are better with an MBA than a tablet for almost the same cost.

Learn to read the thread before posting.

 

[LeandrodaFL]

A stupid retaller who probably is a hater and furious he cant make money selling a copycat.

I say kill them, kill em all

 

[Oletros]

Are you one of them?

Well, if you think that this is not free publicity for the retailer and if you think that justice won't have the last word, yes, I'm one of them.

Let's see,

contempt of court
monetary fines
goods seized
possibly arrest warrant for business owner for Australia or countries that might extradite

As you seem an Australian law expert because you're so sure about the result of the case can I ask what jail sentence will be? 1 year, 10 years, for life?

 

[samcraig]

Actually it is testable, so it is not an opinion. It is just wrong.

He who takes everything literal will not last long on macrumors

I think it's pretty safe to say he was speaking in hyperbole. I don't think he actually thinks 99 percent - as a stat - is accurate. I am, at least, willing to believe that he just means there are tons of people... but to each their own.

 

[marksman]

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Also, this is good for the consumer. Competition is good.

In addition, after playing with both, I have to say that I find the Galaxy tab more useful and configurable than the iPad.

However, even as a diehard apple fan, I still find the whole iPad concept totally useless for 99% of people, especially with the cost of a MBA + USB LTE being not much more than an iPad (949€ vs. 799€).

It's funny how your a "diehard apple fan", but you hate the iPad

Not just hates it, they can't figure out one reason why anyone would use it.

 

[Renzatic]

Tell that to my neighbor's cat that always leaves dead mice and moles on his doorstep.

At least moles are small and easy to clean up. My cat used to leave big ass half eaten birds at my front door.

It was gross. Learned alot about bird anatomy, though.

 

[marksman]

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Thought so too - until I got one. Check the news and mail every morning. Did presentations (scientific ones) on it as well, wish Keynote integration would be better though...

Not real scientific presentations, that wouldn't be possible.

With that mindset there is no way YOU are a scientist, so how would you know ?

 

[gri]

There is no sarcasm. I've given several talks at GRCs and society meetings and I've seen a total of zero done with an iPad or Keynote. I think people would be ridiculed beyond belief (as would they for presenting anything not publication-quality).

I'm talking horsepower for displaying movie during a presentation (i.e. rotation/zooming of a high-resolution GPCR structures or fluorescently labeled vesicle trafficking). I just don't think the iPad would be able to pull it off. If someone wanted to show a few Excel/Numbers charts than maybe, but not anything demanding.

Well, you can argue as much as you want but all I can say is that I have seen it and done it, including 2-photon microscopy movies and 3D reconstructions of whole PET/CT, CT, SPECT/CT and optical imaging datasets (reconstructed not on the iPad but on a Mac and then made into a movie). People from the audience approached me afterwards and wanted to try it for their presentations as well. Maybe it doesn't work for you but it worked well for me - and my field is imaging so only few spread sheet charts in there.

This excerpt may fit very well for your mindset :

"Here’s to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The troublemakers. The round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see things differently. They’re not fond of rules. And they have no respect for the status quo. You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them. About the only thing you can’t do is ignore them. Because they change things. They push the human race forward. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do." - Apple Inc.

 

[D.T.]

Well, you can argue as much as you want but all I can say is that I have seen it and done it, including 2-photon microscopy movies and 3D reconstructions of whole PET/CT, CT, SPECT/CT and optical imaging datasets (reconstructed not on the iPad but on a Mac and then made into a movie). People want to try it as well. Maybe it doesn't work for you but it worked well for me - and my field is imaging so only few spread sheet charts in there.

Same as my example, and certainly nobody would be "ridiculed beyond belief " over their choice of a presentation mechanism as long as it worked well (which it did).

Maybe it's a [workplace] culture difference: there's a huge number of iPads in use in his organization, so maybe they're more accepted as a legitimate tool. The form factor and rich, touch based UI has been outstanding for clinical data management (attempts using notebooks fell short on usability trials).

Funny enough another friend of mine has been using his iPad during travel since the TSA doesn't require it to be removed from luggage/bags and/or cycled on. I almost took only our iPad during my last DC trip, especially since now I have VPN clients so I can handle some remote administrative chores from it.

 

[something3153]

"Here’s to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The troublemakers. The round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see things differently. They’re not fond of rules. And they have no respect for the status quo. You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them. About the only thing you can’t do is ignore them. Because they change things. They push the human race forward. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do." - Apple Inc.

That seems to be behavior they want to reserve for themselves. They certainly don't appreciate it in anyone else.

 

[shyam09]

Everyone loves Jerry, he is smart, funny, and a mouse.
Sure Tom gains the advantage every once in a while, but in the end, Jerry is laughing and Tom is being taught a lesson. If they work together, all ends are met and nothing can stop them...


Can you guess who is Tom and who is Jerry in this situation? And what is the moral?

 

[genovelle]

Also, this is good for the consumer. Competition is good.

Competition should be based on creating your own designs. It was obvious samsung was a copier when they postponed the release of their tablet two days after apple showed the iPad 2 so they could improve the design to compete better. Then they copy it. Come on. There were tablets before Apple's. Why weren't they successful. Because they consumers didn't find their design useful. Apple innovated once again and patented their efforts so these horrid people couldn't steal from them and destroy their business like MS did before them.

 

[Oletros]

Competition should be based on creating your own designs. It was obvious samsung was a copier when they postponed the release of their tablet two days after apple showed the iPad 2 so they could improve the design to compete better.

Do you know what changes were made to the design?

 

[jacksonjesse]

It's worth siting this guy's history. He's been previously convicted of running a business that sold pirated software. And what was the name this genius gave his business? "Pirated Software Group". You can't make this stuff up.

http://www.out-law.com/page-664

 

[Shrink]

Except this isn't capitalism. In a free market, you outmaneuver your competitors without the help of the government.

Point well taken. The courts are, indeed, a branch of the government.

However, couldn't it be argued that, in general usage, reference to "government intervention in free markets" generally is in reference to laws, statutes and regulations, not court suits?

I find myself in the uncomfortable position of both defending Apple and capitalism. Apple don't really need my defense, and as for "free market" capitalism, probably the less I say about that the better - lest Joe McCarthy return form the grave. :rolleyes

 

[something3153]

Point well taken. The courts are, indeed, a branch of the government.

However, couldn't it be argued that, in general usage, reference to "government intervention in free markets" generally is in reference to laws, statutes and regulations, not court suits?

I find myself in the uncomfortable position of both defending Apple and capitalism. Apple don't really need my defense, and as for "free market" capitalism, probably the less I say about that the better - lest Joe McCarthy return form the grave. :rolleyes

Court suits are a result of "laws, statutes, and regulations". Two sides, same coin.

 

[teepzo]

Just keep in mind this quotes an article by ASHER MOSES from the Sydney Morning Herald.

ASHER MOSES regularly writes anti Apple/iPhone articles.

 

[andrewlgm]

They won't be able to sell much of these tablets anyway, but I appreciate their effort. Sell away. I wonder what would have happened to iPods had creative not settled and decided to put up injunctions against apple for copying their mp3 line...

just a thought