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Auto Boot is a sign of Tim Cook's mediocrity
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I don’t like status indicator lights. I think they look cheap. But I do wish it wouldn’t start by opening the lid or pressing a key. I’m one of those people who constantly check everything.
"Just checking to see if the laptop is off..."
Well said. The over the top Tim Cook hate is puzzling and kinda creepy. One upside is that it is a fail safe indicator for refining my ignore filter.
Then let's have more of it since he's rated as one of the best CEOs in the world:
https://www.barrons.com/articles/top-ceos-57a25f8?mod=hp_HERO
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In 2009, Tim Cook was the acting CEO for six months while Jobs was on medical leave.
So I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make
Slow day in the "Tim Cook is a scum-sucking vermin greedily fleecing the consumer thread" factory, I guess. Gotta come up with something.
Well, no, because Microsoft's stock under Balmer famously never rose above what it was under Gates, while under Cook it rose from 350 million to three trillion.
macs can sleep for weeks. why do you care?
It’s likely Jobs would have ditched the Mac.
This is ducking ridiculous. If Apple — I'm sorry, Tim Cook — was obsessed with cutting corners, Apple products would be radically, obviously different.
The status light is gone because the designers envision their products as intelligent devices that “just work.” Think about that for just a moment, like, taken to its logical extreme. A product that is always ready to do what it needs by definition is never off.
You can see that in the design of the new Mac Mini, where the power button is under the device. It seems ridiculous (honestly, it is kind of ridiculous), but the idea here is that you turn it on once and never again unless you’re moving your desk or something.
I can’t imagine why you’d be worked up enough to write a mini-essay on the topic unless you’re one of those people who turns off their Macbook every night. Given the standards and design of modern computers, I’m sorry, but you’re using it wrong.
I see people moaning about lights and the power button.
But computers don’t get turned off any more.
But computers don’t get turned off any more.
I don’t think so, his iPad comments made it pretty clear where he thought computing was going.
“You know, I'm trying to think of a good analogy. When we were an agrarian nation, all cars were trucks, because that's what you needed on the farm.
But as vehicles started to be used in the urban centers, and America started to move into those urban and then suburban centers, cars got more popular, and innovations like automatic transmission and power steering and things that you didn't care about in a truck as much started to become paramount in cars.
They're still going to have a lot of value, but they're going to be used by one out of X people.
And this transformation is going to make some people uneasy. People from the PC world, like you and me, it's going to make us uneasy because the PC has taken us a long ways. It's brilliant.
But, and we like to talk about the post PC era, but when it really starts to happen, I think it's uncomfortable for a lot of people because it's change, and a lot of vested interests are going to change, and it's going to be different.
So I think that we're embarked on that. Is it the iPad? Who knows?
Will it happen next year or five years from now or seven years from now? Who knows? But I think we're heading in this direction.”
Steve Jobs at D8 - 06/01/2010
Almost 15 years later, he was right. Millions of people use phones and tablets is their main or only device, and there are tons of people who know how to use a smart phone perfectly but wouldn’t have the slightest clue how to use a Mac or PC.
And tons of innovations that have been made specifically for the car (iPad) have made there way over to the truck (Mac).
Everything from the Apple Silicon processor, the all day battery life, to the things being complained about in this very thread like instant on and lack of any flashing lights or spinning drives. Most of that stuff started in the iPhone iPod and iPad and the Mac is only now benefiting years later. And just like Steve said, traditional PC people are scared. Just look at the original post of this thread.
Traditional PC people are stupid. The whole platform is a crappy hack job and the state of it is entirely indefensible at this stage of the industry.
I don't think Tim Cook is a bad person, nor unintelligent. I don't love a lot of his decisions and I don't like some decisions Apple makes in their various OS. I fricken hate auto boot and would love a simple toggle switch to turn it off.
That all being said I use my older Mac M2 air and have since about 8 months after release so it has been over two years. I have two PC's that are newer and are not even a year old with better screen tech, better speakers, etc. However the laptop I use the most is my M2 MBA and even though it is older it still performs better in terms of day to day performance and battery life. It has no fans so it is the most portable and easiest laptop to use in various situations.
It only has a 60hz IPS display while my PC's both have 120hz gorilla glass Amoled touch screens. I still prefer the Mac in most situations except maybe movie playback, and even then because of the other features of the Mac I tend to still use the MBA. The IPS lcd screen is really good with an anti reflective coating PC's are just starting to try on some models. True Tone is still a cutting edge feature with only Samsung GalaxyBook 4 Pro and beyond having a similar feature.
There are things I don't like about Apple for sure but as a simple user I don't have any choice or say about how and what Apple does. All I can do is decide to use an Apple product if it fit's my needs despite any particular issues. For me, Apple products are very well made with quality materials and design-again with some obvious flaws. Compared to their PC counterparts they age pretty well. So well in fact despite auto boot and shiny keyboard keycaps it is one of my all time favorite laptops because of how it does in real life. I don't think in terms of actual daily use any laptop I have ever had has aged so well in terms of performance. I know in terms of benchmarks it is far behind even my PC laptops but in terms of how it feels using it the MBA feels faster. Maybe it is software optimization or any of several other factors but at the end of the day all I care about is how it feels to me in daily use. Once it slows down and struggles with daily tasks it will be upgraded but this is the first laptop I have had that still performs as well as the day I bought it and however they do it I am happy about it.
We can all complain about a million things, we have our personal triggers and obsessions but do any of these things really matter when the overall experience is so good even years later???
That all being said I use my older Mac M2 air and have since about 8 months after release so it has been over two years. I have two PC's that are newer and are not even a year old with better screen tech, better speakers, etc. However the laptop I use the most is my M2 MBA and even though it is older it still performs better in terms of day to day performance and battery life. It has no fans so it is the most portable and easiest laptop to use in various situations.
It only has a 60hz IPS display while my PC's both have 120hz gorilla glass Amoled touch screens. I still prefer the Mac in most situations except maybe movie playback, and even then because of the other features of the Mac I tend to still use the MBA. The IPS lcd screen is really good with an anti reflective coating PC's are just starting to try on some models. True Tone is still a cutting edge feature with only Samsung GalaxyBook 4 Pro and beyond having a similar feature.
There are things I don't like about Apple for sure but as a simple user I don't have any choice or say about how and what Apple does. All I can do is decide to use an Apple product if it fit's my needs despite any particular issues. For me, Apple products are very well made with quality materials and design-again with some obvious flaws. Compared to their PC counterparts they age pretty well. So well in fact despite auto boot and shiny keyboard keycaps it is one of my all time favorite laptops because of how it does in real life. I don't think in terms of actual daily use any laptop I have ever had has aged so well in terms of performance. I know in terms of benchmarks it is far behind even my PC laptops but in terms of how it feels using it the MBA feels faster. Maybe it is software optimization or any of several other factors but at the end of the day all I care about is how it feels to me in daily use. Once it slows down and struggles with daily tasks it will be upgraded but this is the first laptop I have had that still performs as well as the day I bought it and however they do it I am happy about it.
We can all complain about a million things, we have our personal triggers and obsessions but do any of these things really matter when the overall experience is so good even years later???
Funny how people are one extreme or the other. Anyone who says your statement is rather biased and has not used a decent high spec Windows PC/laptop.
In terms of software there are advantages and disadvantages to both. On the whole I would say MacOS is better for several reasons but I wouldn't say PC people are stupid which is clearly false and I wouldn't say Windows is a hack job but rather an OS that is in real need of an overhaul. That being said the user types for each OS are very different. Windows users want to be able to do anything and use even very old software, they want much more control over the OS than most Mac users. Since Windows OS has more risk and the users tend to know a lot more about the internal make up of the OS and how to customize it at the core level they would be smarter than MacOS users in the sense they have to know more to successfully use the Windows OS to its full potential. However, that level of knowledge is not always that useful and I could also argue Mac users are smarter because they choose an OS that requires less user maintenance and uses a unix base.
Also I think it is generational. Older people tend to use Windows as they grew up with it and had it at their work place. Younger generations tend to use MacOS and iPads etc. because they have grown up with that.
No OS or hardware is perfect and no user is better or worse using one or another. It depends on your needs, usage, age and many other factors.
Note I'm not saying that Mac users are smart. I'm saying PC users are stupid. Because when you're chowing on a giant turd on a plate and telling people you are enjoying it, that's stupid.
I've written my thoughts of this on other threads. Short version is I've got a very long history of developing software (down to device drivers) for Windows. It's a mess. I mean a real mess. Layers and layers of excrement from three decades of mismanagement pasted on top of each other achieving nothing other than abstractions over the poorly contrived and designed win32 API. What is underneath that (NT) is so completely abstract from win32, as it was designed to be a generic kernel, that things are quite sick really. And the hardware is tailored to some poor attempt at keeping compatibility back to the dark ages with this kernel and abstractions and device driver architecture. So the hardware looks the same as well. And it's flawed. So utterly deeply flawed.
I use macOS because I want something that works out of the box and stays working. I also used SunOS/Solaris back in the day. What I have now is roughly a continuation of that mixed with NeXT, that actually works.
None of my colleagues who were windows devs have PCs any more. They are all on macs.
Objectively about the only remaining grab for the PC is gaming, the absolute bottom end of the market and the ingrained corporate office monkeys. Most non IT professionals I know don't even have actual computers any more, relying almost entirely on phones.
Times need to change.
I am no computer expert. However, I have used Linux since around 2000. I have used OpenBSD as well. I like Unix and Unix like OS as it is a superior platform compared to Windows. Remember Windows millennium edition? I was one of the lucky people who got a laptop with that right before Win 2000 was released. The worst OS I have ever used which prompted me to wipe Windows and install Suse Linux. I paid for it at BestBuy and it was a disaster until Mepis Linux came around. Couldn't get a wifi driver that worked for a while then configuring x for my display was another issue.
Compared to back then Windows is much more secure and works much better. That being said the OS is discombobulated with legacy parts here and there and the modern UI they use now. I think x86 on Windows is doomed to devolve into a more poorly optimized mess. If Windows on Arm succeeds and MS has any balls at all it will force migration to Arm and rewrite the OS to make it much more modern. We need to throw away the x32 to the dust bin of history.
I get what you are saying but you are saying it in a very condescending way to people who are ignorant of the technical details that you are complaining about. Most average users care about features and cost and what is familiar to them. Most people hate change and will stick to what they know no matter how bad the experience is because they simply don't know any better and are afraid of change.
People who are more educated are much more rare in the broader terms of the population and it has nothing to do with their intelligence rather their education and knowledge in tech. Most people use tech for tasks and don't care about much else unless it works for them. When Apple was considering a back door into the OS for CSAM I was seriously considering ditching the platform because I would have no control how the back door was actually used. Windows telemetry is awful and if I couldn't lock down the OS I would never use it simply for that reason alone. I have an aversion to cloud computing for privacy reasons as well. It is not that there is anything interesting or concerning tat I do on my devices but I like at least the idea of privacy for something that is such a deep and intimate part of my life and chronicles everything I do.
I still agree Windows is a hot mess and privacy is a problem. If Apple would have implemented a back door my only option would have been Linux which is great but still after all these years not ready for use as my primary long term computer.
Am I stupid because during that time I chose to use Windows primarily until Apple changed their tune? My point is you don't know why people are using a particular OS and you assume a lot about a particular user when they may be brilliant in areas outside tech and using an inferior platform for reasons you don't know doesn't make them stupid as you keep saying. If you want to persuade an audience to change their habits calling them stupid and thus making yourself superior is really not a good idea. Maybe you just don't care about others and because of your knowledge just know what is a better OS and anyone who doesn't use it is stupid but not everyone has your knowledge. Maybe having a little more compassion for those less fortunate in knowledge than you might be something to consider.
Linux is still a complete disaster on the desktop.
I owe no one anything here or anywhere on this front. They will get the unadulterated state of affairs. I don't care if people hurt themselves really.
The CSAM thing was I suspect an acceptable PR hit. The management folk knew it wasn't going anywhere but they needed to pacify external criticism by invoking the wrath of industry.
As for the back door, you could choose not to use iCloud.
I have little problem with the cloud. I do have a problem with Microsoft's attitude towards it as an upsell and data gathering tool rather than a customer focused service. In fact I have been very vocal and critical of it among professional circles from both a technical perspective and political one.
Yeah as mentioned it's a complete disaster on the desktop. Apple left the nearest Linux desktop in the dust in 2006 and the Linux folk just spent the time since reinventing the same wheel because fixing bugs and adding quality of life improvements isn't as much fun as starting again.
I'm not superior at all. I am stupid too when I use windows. Apart from the bit where I charge by the hour on windows because I know I'm going to get ****ed by something. Note I use Windows still. I have a hefty Windows desktop workstation and laptop workstation. I still do this because people keep paying me to do it. Not because it's the best solution for them.
People don't want a good solution. They want someone to fluffle their balls.
You don't even need to turn it off to clean the keyboard.
Even so, iCloud has (or at least used to have) an interesting habit of reenabling itself or specific features with seemingly random software updates, short of signing out of your Apple account completely.