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Avengers Endgame (with spoilers)
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Ehhh....you have the choice to not watch or pay attention to them. If you’re sick of them, who’s to blame?
[doublepost=1556381131][/doublepost]I loved it (mostly). Natasha’s death scene was handled rather badly in my opinion and some of the time travel stuff was slightly confusing but all in all it was pretty spectacular.
Infinity War: the most epic scene in the MCU was Thor’s return to earth.
Endgame: Hold my beer.
Endgame: Hold my beer.
Oh my god, this movie especially
gave me chills, and
, it literally set off the heart rate spike on my watch.
This was the perfect end to the Thanos-Era MCU. I'm excited for what's to come, especially with Cassie's aging up, Kate Bishop being in the Hawkeye Disney+ series, a rumored America Chavez movie or series, and Mar-Vell's introduction, we can legit see a Young Avengers project at some point.
the debut/homage to A-Force
when Cap said "Avengers..... Assemble"
This was the perfect end to the Thanos-Era MCU. I'm excited for what's to come, especially with Cassie's aging up, Kate Bishop being in the Hawkeye Disney+ series, a rumored America Chavez movie or series, and Mar-Vell's introduction, we can legit see a Young Avengers project at some point.
Am I the only one seriously underwhelmed? I wanted something epic to end the franchise, but the only epic-ness was the 3hr+ running time. An hour of this was pointless and just fluff. And come on, time travel is THE single laziest plot device ever. 2 hours of meh, 40 minutes of typical Marvel battle which hurts your eyes so much goes on, and 20 minutes of Ahhhhhh that’s us done. Hope the Rise of Skywalker isn’t as poor.
Marvel films are can usually be viewed and analyzed as their own independent film but Endgame sort of moves away from it - you will get more of this film if you watched all 20+ films leading up to it.
I agree that time travel is the laziest plot device...if you did nothing to build up to it and just used it. The time travel works in Endgame because it was already hinted at and almost everyone was expecting it after The Decimation in Infinity War.
In my opinion, this was the only way this chapter/phase of the MCU could end and I am glad they structured Infinity War and Endgame the way they did. There is just too much to analyze and connect to the prior 20+ movies to post here.
With all time travel plots/twists, you are best not to over analyze it because it just won't make complete sense. Just take it for what it is and how it was explained in the film though I will say that the only and truly WTF moment was the last Captain America scene. I could overlook everything else but Cap coming back aged didn't make sense.
I agree that time travel is the laziest plot device...if you did nothing to build up to it and just used it. The time travel works in Endgame because it was already hinted at and almost everyone was expecting it after The Decimation in Infinity War.
In my opinion, this was the only way this chapter/phase of the MCU could end and I am glad they structured Infinity War and Endgame the way they did. There is just too much to analyze and connect to the prior 20+ movies to post here.
With all time travel plots/twists, you are best not to over analyze it because it just won't make complete sense. Just take it for what it is and how it was explained in the film though I will say that the only and truly WTF moment was the last Captain America scene. I could overlook everything else but Cap coming back aged didn't make sense.
Why? He didn't come back via the time machine aged, he lived for 70 years and then met them at the spot where he knew they would be.The super-soldier serum doesn't prevent aging, being frozen in the ice for 70 years did. (Although he did look quite good for a fellow who's about 100.)
After his mission to return the stones to their proper time was completed, he chose to go to the 40's or 50's and live his life with Peggy Carter. Although not explicitly stated, it's been surmised that he adopted a new identity and did not interfere with world events.
This is exactly the end I was hoping for Cap. A well deserved, normal life.
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This goes against what I said about over-analyzing time travel, but if he lived life the way he did and came back to that moment, that means he stayed behind the scenes while all the events of the MCU still happened? I mean it's possible but very unlikely as that goes against everything Captain America stood for in the MCU. And let's just say he left all the events played out the way they did, living life with Peggy would mean he's altering her life she had when he was frozen which conflicts with the unnamed husband and children she had mentioned in the Winter Soldier.
Sure what you said makes sense, but seeing that scene was an almost instant WTF moment, more than anything else that was played out earlier in the film.
How do we know the unnamed husband wasn't a mustachioed, black haired Steve?
Captain America definitely died in a plane crash in the Arctic so no one would really suspect. (maybe)He didn't interfere because he knows altering time isn't a good idea. He could have done some small things under the radar. Crimes, etc. that wouldn't affect world history. He knew that his other self and the Avengers would come along and things would work out.
You're right that we shouldn't think about it too hard, but some sense can be made of this.
he already knew the outcome, so to me it was fine for him to stay and have the life he wanted. while we did see him dance with her we don't know if he did marry her or another one as he did not say it when asked.
Another good point. We don't know for sure he married Peggy, just that he had his dance with her. I think we were supposed to infer that he did, but who knows?
How do we know the unnamed husband wasn't a mustachioed, black haired Steve?
He didn't interfere because he knows altering time isn't a good idea. He could have done some small things under the radar. Crimes, etc. that wouldn't affect world history. He knew that his other self and the Avengers would come along and things would work out.
You're right that we shouldn't think about it too hard, but some sense can be made of this.
I would accept this because while it may not have been Peggy, Steve living a proper life instead of being a "solider lost in time" was always something that was indirectly hinted at so it doesn't matter who he eventually settled down with as long he got to live as close to a normal life but if it were with Peggy, that would have been a selfish act and would really go against his character and of course would not coincide with the timeline.
He could have revealed future events to Peggy and this top secret information made it's way to Nick Fury around 2008 or so....
What I liked:
- "Avengers...assemble."
- Cap going back to Peggy and living the life he never got to live
- Doctor Strange holding up one finger. I got chills.
What I didn't like:
- Fat Thor. Seriously, the guy who had the ALL-TIME greatest entrance in cinema history in Infinity War gets reduced to an overweight, unkempt, Fortnight-playing clod? Very disappointing.
- Professor Hulk. He should be smashing and raging.
All around I thought it was a great movie, VERY dense, at times it even felt a bit rushed. But a great movie.
- "Avengers...assemble."
- Cap going back to Peggy and living the life he never got to live
- Doctor Strange holding up one finger. I got chills.
What I didn't like:
- Fat Thor. Seriously, the guy who had the ALL-TIME greatest entrance in cinema history in Infinity War gets reduced to an overweight, unkempt, Fortnight-playing clod? Very disappointing.
- Professor Hulk. He should be smashing and raging.
All around I thought it was a great movie, VERY dense, at times it even felt a bit rushed. But a great movie.
The scene that had me was when you hear Falcon say, "Cap on your left!" I got goose bumps and then seeing everyone show up!!!!!!!! Then to hear Cap say those words. This was one of my favorite moments in the MCU history! Absolutely loved it!
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I liked Fat Thor... Thought he was good and was a little PTSD'ed if you will. Not to mention he is still one funny guy! He had a lot of guilt going on.
Professor Hulk, I also thought worked. Reminded me of the 80's or 90's Hulk when he gets his smarts. I also thought he was pretty funny.
Fat Thor was a unique approach. He doesn't often fail and you can tell he didn't take it well.
Yeah, his failures cost the universe half of all life, that ****'s gotta weigh heavy on a mind, even an Asgardian's.
Loved fat Thor. Loved smart Hulk. Both characters worked for me.
Favorite line? Hail Hydra.
My only issues with the movie are the lapses in time travel theory. They were so careful to put the stones back where/when they came from, but Thanos and his entire army traveled into the future and died there? He died before he ever snapped his fingers in Infinity War. How does that resolve?
Otherwise, the bottom line is that was the fastest three hours in cinema history. I felt like I was the one doing the time travel!
Favorite line? Hail Hydra.
My only issues with the movie are the lapses in time travel theory. They were so careful to put the stones back where/when they came from, but Thanos and his entire army traveled into the future and died there? He died before he ever snapped his fingers in Infinity War. How does that resolve?
Otherwise, the bottom line is that was the fastest three hours in cinema history. I felt like I was the one doing the time travel!
That was classic line and I also loved the little smirk as he was walking away from the elevator. Loved it! (this line, while I don't know the context of the comic book reference, but Cap saying Hail Hydra was taken right out of the comic books.)
Let's not forget, "that is america's ass"... hahahaha