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Overkill. It’s like the new hipster beard
I guess I tend to not care about what is popular or not and do what I want. I enjoyed the hell out of Iron Man in 2008 and I enjoyed the hell out of Endgame in 2019. I like lots of things that aren't popular, and lots of things that are. What matters most is the enjoyment I personally get from it. You'll be a lot happier if you do you and stop measuring inconsequential things against some ill-defined metric that, at the end of the day, doesn't matter in the slightest. I've not even given second thought to hipster beards. They're just beards. Sounds like a waste of time. These are just movies. They're fun, no more, no less. :D
 
I guess I tend to not care about what is popular or not and do what I want. I enjoyed the hell out of Iron Man in 2008 and I enjoyed the hell out of Endgame in 2019. I like lots of things that aren't popular, and lots of things that are. What matters most is the enjoyment I personally get from it. You'll be a lot happier if you do you and stop measuring inconsequential things against some ill-defined metric that, at the end of the day, doesn't matter in the slightest. I've not even given second thought to hipster beards. They're just beards. Sounds like a waste of time. These are just movies. They're fun, no more, no less. :D

Exactly! It is a comic book movie and a really good comic book movie at that! At least in my opinion.
 
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Maybe they won’t. Maybe it will be a big thing in FFH and then just a mention here or there in the next films. Maybe the Russo brothers are like well that’s the next filmmakers problem.

Yes, that is probably the case. However, it is not very coherent to think of a cinematic universe in which such a dramatic, earth-shaking event took place, and then it is just a mention. The problem with tying all these movies together is that they should be very careful with the events so they do not have consequences beyond what they can handle.
 
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I think some of you need to rewatch Infinity War/Endgame. To say that Thanos was not injured by using the gauntlet to snap away half the universe is clearly wrong. You can actually just google it and see what the directors have to say about it.

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Thanos hurt himself when he used the gauntlet to destroy the infinity stones, as he told the Avengers at the beginning of the film (and not as a result of the snap in Infinity War).

If you re-watch Infinity War, look at Thanos pre and post-snap. This left side of his body was burnt after snapping while there was no damage to his body before the snap and after Thor used Stormbreaker.
 
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If you re-watch Infinity War, look at Thanos pre and post-snap. This left side of his body was burnt after snapping while there was no damage to his body before the snap and after Thor used Stormbreaker.

I had not noticed this. I will re-watch Infinity War.
 
One of the last scenes even showed Peter back in school reuniting with his best friend. We're they both snapped out and back in?
I have read that the whole group of friends was snapped out/back in, in order to explain why it will mostly be the same cast of kids in the new Spider-Man movie.
 
Overall I liked Endgame, but many of the 'problems' it had stemmed from the sheer volume of main characters.
This is exactly the end I was hoping for Cap. A well deserved, normal life.
This is one of the aspects I liked.

Most of the characters got a lot of development (even if it was to end them off). Black Widow's wrap up was the weakest but part of that was what here character was, a lone spy reluctant to trust who finally finds a family and sacrifices herself for... the whole fight at the end with Hawkeye was a bit over-done but it played on their original friendship.

I also really liked seeing Tony Stark as a dad, and to a daughter. The whole meeting his father was a bit over-done too but tied up that relationship too quite well. The whole Pepper in a suit thing was something obvioulsy coming from the beginning, but it seemed like more of a plot device so she could be there for Tony's last moments.

Fat Thor was great as it was a way to compartmentalize dealing with the single most devastating tragedy to have occurred in history. The 'Fat Thor' played that out well.

Smart Hulk to me was ok... more like a natural end point where there is finally some Banner/Hulk balance.

Favorite line? Hail Hydra.
I love the fact that the elevator scene was the same set up as the elevator fight scene in "Captain America: Winter Soldier"

If some three billion people just reappear, where are the news about it?
While it would be big news, you'd have to be the biggest hermit in the universe to not know 'the snap' was undone. :D


Hawkeye’s family is totally gone with the snap. Tony Stark’s family remains in full. Luck? Or just convenience?
Luck of the draw. But to your point of the randomness, I really wished that they explored the fact that Thanos knew he was also putting his life on a 50/50 chance on 'the snap'.

Ok now for some time travel talk (quotes out of order):
(start at the 30 second mark)

And why five years in the future? And so little happened in five years? The world just mourned everybody who disappeared?
I think 5 years was a convenient spot as the characters who didn't 'snap out' wouldn't have aged much. Also loosing 3.5billion people means there'd probably be a lot of cleanup and a fair bit of chaos post-snap. They kind of hint at this as Ant-Man goes to see his daughter, dirty streets, car up on blocks with wheels removed, abandoned houses... that kind of thing.

What really bothers me about the plot is that the whole movie takes place five years after the events in Infinity War. And, although there is time travel, the events are not undone.
They actually reference the time line continuity several different times they choose to bring back the people at that particular point as to preserve their current timeline.

But....
My only issues with the movie are the lapses in time travel theory. They were so careful to put the stones back where/when they came from, but Thanos and his entire army traveled into the future and died there? He died before he ever snapped his fingers in Infinity War. How does that resolve?
Yeah this is where I would go crosseyed... but when Tony does the second snap and Thanos and his underlings disappear I think (for the time lines sake) that they instead of being snapped out of existence would be returned to the past with no knowledge of the future. ... I admit that's a big leap to take.


All in all very enjoyable to watch, might have made me misty... but I'm going to blame that on allergies. :D
 
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I took Tony's snap was a snap to rid them of Thanos and his minions.

I think some of you need to rewatch Infinity War/Endgame. To say that Thanos was not injured by using the gauntlet to snap away half the universe is clearly wrong. You can actually just google it and see what the directors have to say about it.

Yup, you are correct, you can see he gets burned etc when he does the snap...
 
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In infinity war when thor came back to Wakanda and Banner was like "You guys are in trouble now!", that's how I felt when I saw Cap catch thors hammer. For me that was the best scene of the movie...ummm if I don't think about it too much. Not sure what the rules are about the abilities you gain once you're wielding the hammer or umm storm breaker.
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Tony Stark’s family remains in full. Luck? Or just convenience?

Tony's family like Pepper? Didn't they have a daughter post snap?
 
In infinity war when thor came back to Wakanda and Banner was like "You guys are in trouble now!", that's how I felt when I saw Cap catch thors hammer. For me that was the best scene of the movie...ummm if I don't think about it too much. Not sure what the rules are about the abilities you gain once you're wielding the hammer or umm storm breaker.
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Tony's family like Pepper? Didn't they have a daughter post snap?
Yes they did. And she loves cheeseburgers.
 
Saw Endgame yesterday, and can't wait to see it a second time (probably this coming weekend)! The Infinity stones plot has been *amazing*. Last year I knew going into a movie called "Infinity War" was something huge, and its Endgame companion is a fitting spectacle.

I just think the MCU has been perfectly cast all-around; couldn't imagine anyone else in the roles that Downey, Evans, Hemsworth, etc. have played. We have hope for more films with Evans & Hemsworth.

But I really find myself strongly appreciating what Robert Downey Jr. brought to Iron Man; I think how any MCU film without him are the MCU's weakest points, and unfortunately Downey's participation has apparently come to such a wonderfully bittersweet end.
 
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I guess I'm in the minority, but I'm a little underwhelmed with Endgame. I thought it was too drawn out and could have been done in 2 hours. It wasn't as grandiose as I found Infinity War to be. I felt they overdid a lot of it in a bad way. That's just my opinion though.

I wouldn't say it was a bad movie, far from it, but I guess it just wasn't what I expected. Maybe it's just that the MCU set the bar so high that I was expecting a life-altering movie, which I don't feel this was. Still curious to see where they go from here though.
 
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Watched it today.
I enjoyed it.
However, Captain Marvel is annoyingly powerful.

I wish they would have picked someone else to play her, I found her annoying period... Every time she was on screen, it took me out of the movie. I haven't seen her movie, waiting for video, but from what I have seen of it, she is going to annoy me even more.
 
Just watched Endgame.
So ambitious, so long, and I did not feel worthy closure, just a muddled ending. It would have been better if they tacked the first 30 min of Endgame onto Infinity Wars and be done with it.

What stood out was the lecture from Bannon about how time does not work that way, if you go back and change the past, you split off the past into a new reality/timeline, and after saying that, they do exactly that, go back in time in 3 different groups to 3 different times, and that somehow fixed their original time line?? I know, just go with it. :p

And putting the infinity stones back fixes all possible problems of this nature in the future, how? Won't there be people looking for them?

And bringing back Thanos felt like just another excuse for a big muddled battle.

And the business of snapping your fingers? Do you have to think about something in particular? ;)
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Marvel’s Avengers Movies in Order
http://listafterlist.com/marvel-avengers-movies-in-order/

The Tesseract/Infinity Stones/Thanos Epic
You should watch these 8 movies: (without spoilers)*

*See below for this list with spoilers.
  • Captain America: The First Avenger (2011)
  • Thor (2011) - optional but important because it introduces Thor, Loki, and Asgard.
  • Avengers (2012)
  • Guardians of the Galaxy (2017)
  • Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015)
  • Thor: Ragnarök (2017)
  • Avengers: Infinity War (2018)
  • Avengers: End Game (2019)

The 3 Movie Strategy Spoilers Galore
...and without a desire to watch every Marvel movie made, the bare bones of the Thanos story arc, and his quest to obtain all 6 infinity stones, you could watch just 3 movies, Guardians of the Galaxy (2014), where he figured prominently in the story, see Gamora’s relationship to him, and his effort to retrieve the mysterious orb Peter Quill finds (Infinity Stone). Then jump to Avengers: Infinity War to know both how he acquired his first stone (Thor explains, he got it from Xander) which was one the locations in Guardians. Then onto Avengers: End Game (2019).

However, consider these links:
Thanos
https://marvel-movies.fandom.com/wiki/Thanos

Tesseract
https://marvel-movies.fandom.com/wiki/Tesseract

Marvel's master plan: The complete novice's guide to Infinity Stones
https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/7/8560555/marvel-infinity-stones-avengers-infinity-war-movie

'Thor: Ragnarok' Reveals How Thanos Gets the Tesseract Infinity Stone
https://comicbook.com/marvel/2017/11/03/thor-ragnarok-tesseract-thanos-avengers-3/#1

Infinity Stones
https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Infinity_Stones

8 Infinity stone movies with spoilers:
  • Captain America: The First Avenger (2011) Tesseract, holder of one of the 6 stones. Of note, the Tesseract was once held on Asgard, home of Thor, lost, Nazis got it, later came into possession by Shield, and Tony Stark.
  • Thor (2011) First Thor movie, brief mention of Tesseract, good stand alone movie, but not required as part of the Infinity Stone saga. However it is important because it establishes Thor, Loki, and Asgard in the Marvel Universe.
  • Avengers (2012) Thanos wants to conquer Earth in a deal with Loki to get the Tesseract. Thor takes Loki and the Tesseract back to Asgard for safe keeping.
  • Guardians of the Galaxy (2017) Peter Quill finds Stone, loses it in jail, it goes to Knowhere to be sold, stolen by Ronan who tried to use it to destroy Xander, and ends up with Nova Corp.
  • Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015)Thanos acquires the Gauntlet that can hold the infinity stones)
  • Thor: Ragnarök (2017) Dire events on Asgard allow Loki to make off with the Tesseract and later offer it to Thanos giving him his first stone.
  • Avengers: Infinity War (2018) Thanos acquires Stones. Thor explains how Thanis got the stone by destroying Xander.
  • Avengers: End Game (2019) I’m didssapointed with the ending. See post#69.
I might have to also rewatch:
  • Captain America: Winter Soldier (2014)
  • Captain America: Civil War (2016)
 
Just watched Endgame.
So ambitious, so long, and I did not feel worthy closure, just a muddled ending. It would have been better if they tacked the first 30 min of Endgame onto Infinity Wars and be done with it.

What stood out was the lecture from Bannon about how time does not work that way, if you go back and change the past, you split off the past into a new reality/timeline, and after saying that, they do exactly that, go back in time in 3 different groups to 3 different times, and that somehow fixed their original time line?? I know, just go with it. :p

And putting the infinity stones back fixes all possible problems of this nature in the future, how? Won't there be people looking for them?

And bringing back Thanos felt like just another excuse for a big muddled battle.

And the business of snapping your fingers? Do you have to think about something in particular? ;)

I had the same feeling when I watched Endgame. I thought it was underwhelming and a little chaotic. I still don't think it's deserving of the acclaim that everyone is giving it. It had its moments but it felt a little drawn out at times. I'm also not a big fan of the fact that they re-released it for a weekend to capture the title of highest grossing movie. For me at least, Infinity War was a far superior movie.
 
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I had the same feeling when I watched Endgame. I thought it was underwhelming and a little chaotic. I still don't think it's deserving of the acclaim that everyone is giving it. It had its moments but it felt a little drawn out at times. I'm also not a big fan of the fact that they re-released it for a weekend to capture the title of highest grossing movie. For me at least, Infinity War was a far superior movie.
I agree completely. Infinity War was coherent, and in the zone. I will own that one and just tell myself, they cut off Thanos’s Head after the damage was done. :p

Ok, so I realize that you have to give time travel stories a lot of leeway, but each time they changed the past, 4 times by my count, if you believe in the idea of the butterfly effect, they might have returned to their present where nothing had changed, because they had started new parallel time lines, or they returned to an unrecognizable present. It’s highly unlikely and hard to believe that removing these stones from the past and pulling them into the future would have no significant effect on the time line. In the spectrum of time travel stories, I give it a big F.

And btw, WHAT A STUPID IDEA, if I indiscriminately kill off half the life in the universe, things will automatically now be better, perfect! What, how? It’s hard to believe that in the realm of cutting edge Science Fiction, the writers thought this was brilliant? :rolleyes::oops::mad:

And I have one more. If Dr. Strange calculated one successful outcome out of millions of variations, why did he not tell the Avengers to just stop and go with the time travel strategy in Infinity War?

The obvious answer is don’t question, don’t think, just accept. :D
 
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This is borderline laughable.

You can't suspend enough disbelief to just accept the time travel scenario as it's presented, but you're okay with a giant purple man, a giant green man, a talking raccoon, a guy who wears an "iron" suit that can appear out of nowhere, a woman who can not only fly through space without a space suit but can also speak in it, and all the OTHER stuff in the movie.
 
This is borderline laughable.

You can't suspend enough disbelief to just accept the time travel scenario as it's presented, but you're okay with a giant purple man, a giant green man, a talking raccoon, a guy who wears an "iron" suit that can appear out of nowhere, a woman who can not only fly through space without a space suit but can also speak in it, and all the OTHER stuff in the movie.
A rabbit. Not a raccoon.

:D
 
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"I suggest you don't worry about those things and just enjoy yourself."

- Basil Exposition

If Dr. Strange calculated one successful outcome out of millions of variations, why did he not tell the Avengers to just stop and go with the time travel strategy in Infinity War?

Observer effect / quantum theory [... ? ...]

The movie was a terrific take on comic book material, closed the out this round of the MCU nicely, had outstanding character moments, had amazing closure to Tony Stark's arch (or +arc+ :D) , setup a few characters for the next round of movies, touched on some nice ideas of destiny, the one vs. the many, sacrifice, it's fun, good, entertaining, I'm happy with the two movies.
 
I agree completely. Infinity War was coherent, and in the zone. I will own that one and just tell myself, they cut off Thanos’s Head after the damage was done. :p

Ok, so I realize that you have to give time travel stories a lot of leeway, but each time they changed the past, 4 times by my count, if you believe in the idea of the butterfly effect, they might have returned to their present where nothing had changed, because they had started new parallel time lines, or they returned to an unrecognizable present. It’s highly unlikely and hard to believe that removing these stones from the past and pulling them into the future would have no significant effect on the time line. In the spectrum of time travel stories, I give it a big F.

And btw, WHAT A STUPID IDEA, if I indiscriminately kill off half the life in the universe, things will automatically now be better, perfect! What, how? It’s hard to believe that in the realm of cutting edge Science Fiction, the writers thought this was brilliant? :rolleyes::oops::mad:

And I have one more. If Dr. Strange calculated one successful outcome out of millions of variations, why did he not tell the Avengers to just stop and go with the time travel strategy in Infinity War?

The obvious answer is don’t question, don’t think, just accept. :D

Tony Stark : Hey, you said one out of fourteen million, we'd win, yeah? Tell me this is it.

Doctor Strange : If I tell you what happens, it won't happen.
 
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