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Avie Tevanian Leaving Apple?

boncellis said:
Just from what you cited I tend to agree. Does anyone else think the timing of this is odd? If Mr. Tevanian's departure is rumored for the end of this month, does that somehow correspond with the release of 10.5?

Could it be done already, or is it Mr. Tevanian's involvement that's done? Just curious.
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I remember reading a while back, when Dr Tevanian got his promotion he got out of the Mac OS X Development sometime after Panther. So Panther was the last OS X he oversaw. Tiger was overseen by another.
 
mgauss said:
Working for Steve Jobs must be a 24 hour job. The intensity, the drive, the angst. I think a guy like Avie, that less than 9 years ago was happy making his $ 70K and is now a multi millionaire, is putting his life in perspective. Perhaps 5 or 10 years from now, after he realizes how boring it is to spend "quality time" with one's wife or kids he will come back. Hopefully he won't be a tired dinosaur by then.

In the meantime, Apple is making much more money from iPods than from computers. So the iPod people are being treated with kids gloves, they can do no wrong.

Avie is tired and jealous. He liked Apple better before the iPod. Apple can now hire better people and he sees those brains knocking on the door. He used to be the smartest they could afford, now he sees the new whipper snappers. He probably has no management skills, so basically his own success fired him...he got fired by himself. The pathetic Wozniak phenomenom. Hey at least he is rich now sipping champagne in the south of France.

He also might be wanting to be his own boss. And a miserable one he will be, an order taker is an order taker.
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Avie was making a hell of a lot more than $70k being the CTO of NeXT. I know I was working there at the time.
 
boncellis said:
Just from what you cited I tend to agree. Does anyone else think the timing of this is odd? If Mr. Tevanian's departure is rumored for the end of this month, does that somehow correspond with the release of 10.5?

Could it be done already, or is it Mr. Tevanian's involvement that's done? Just curious.
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Hate to piss on any parades, but Carbon and Classic are what have slowed down the peformance of OS X, not the mach messaging which was tailormade for ObjC and Cocoa.
 
Well, he is just another executive in the world; a good Armenian one, but not irreplaceable (as anyone else)...now I think Jobs should hire Ms. Fiorina AND Ms. Ellen "I Love Bankruptcy" Hancock for a joint CTO position, whaddya think? ;)

But one more thing...I couldn't help, sorry... :D

Does this mean that PowerBook G5s are FINALLY OUT???
 
mdriftmeyer said:
Hate to piss on any parades, but Carbon and Classic are what have slowed down the peformance of OS X, not the mach messaging which was tailormade for ObjC and Cocoa.
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It is actually the performance of common Unix daemons, not Mac GUI software, that has been been criticized the most. Even so, I'm not convinced that Mach is the real problem, as OSF/1 (Tru64) has pretty much the same architecture and doesn't degrade so badly.
 
narco said:
I read somewhere the other day that Mac sales still exceed iPod sales. Is this not true?

Fishes,
narco.
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No. Over the past couple of quarters, Apple has made more from iPods than from Mac sales.
 
that article someone mentioned said:
NuKernel, remember, was designed from the outset as a kernel to power future PowerPC-based Mac operating systems; Mach wasn’t.
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I don't even know what a kernel does, really, but this article was written before the whole Intel thing. If NuKernal was designed for PowerPC, isn't it possible that Mach was chosen for Intel compatibility?
 
esaleris said:
Short the stock! Maybe. I dunno. I do remember when HP's Fionna (sp) left and the stock went up a couple of million dollars. Must feel good when your departure causes the company to increase in value 10%.
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Yeah, but if you look at what HP stock has done since, it seems like those early worms were right. Up 50% over the past year.
 
Isn't it a bit fishy that two of the top Apple lieutenants, Avie and Jon Rubenstein are leaving at virtually the same? Coincidence? Maybe.
 
boncellis said:
What other interests, I wonder--you're already at one of the top computer companies in the world...
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Probably he wasn't interested in writing operating systems for the iPod *eg*
 
zcohan said:
Isn't it a bit fishy that two of the top Apple lieutenants, Avie and Jon Rubenstein are leaving at virtually the same? Coincidence? Maybe.
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Yep, actually they are replacing Gates and Ballmer at MS, so that Vista may finally see the light of the day...:rolleyes:
 
It's a big loss but maybe this will open the way for Cocoa-Python to replace Objective-C as the native language of OS X. :) Will Serlet be replacing him?
 
LordJohnWhorfin said:
Maybe now they'll finally be able to ditch the frickin Mach microkernel piece of crap, that Nazi Tevanian has been adamant must be a part of the OS even though it's a performance pit, all because it's his PhD project. He's no visionary, just a reasonably smart hardass who happened to be at the right place at the right time and profited handsomely for it. Watch OSX improve by leaps and bounds as the old guard finally gets kicked out. A bunch of these NeXT alumni seriously have their heads up their collective arses.
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Look everyone! This is Bill Gates on Macrumors.
 
mgauss said:
Working for Steve Jobs must be a 24 hour job. The intensity, the drive, the angst. I think a guy like Avie, that less than 9 years ago was happy making his $ 70K and is now a multi millionaire, is putting his life in perspective. Perhaps 5 or 10 years from now, after he realizes how boring it is to spend "quality time" with one's wife or kids he will come back. Hopefully he won't be a tired dinosaur by then.
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Boring to spend time with your wife and kids! What? ROFL. To steal a Covey quote "No one spends time on their death bed wishing they'd spent more time at the office".

If he has taken the time off to spend with his wife and kids, all the best to him. Probably the best decision any hard working man can make if he doesnt need the money anymore.

Sarcasm aside, I think thats an astute observation and one I hadnt considered.

Jason
 
cybermiguel said:
In fact, the monolithical kernel structure is old and obsolete and the only OS that uses it is Linux....well, there are certain Linux distros that use microkernel too!...

As you see, most modern OS use microkernels, for various reasons. I invite you to take a look at the BeOS development, QNX development (there are even some nuclear plants that works in an environment based in QNX) and other "modern" Operating Systems (I mean modern by using new concepts of kernel, not the 80s monolithical kernel) and you will know what i'm talking about.

Regards. ^^
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What the heck are you talking about?. Everybody knows that a monolithic
kernel beats the hell outta of microkernels preformance-wise. Besides, OS
X and NT both run a hybrid kernel (as another poster noted). I really can't
understand what do you mean by "modern" here. OS concepts evolve over
long periods of time and almost all the research in the area of Operating
systems has already been done.
Here take a look for yourself...modern Operating System my a**
All numbers are expressed in microseconds, lower is thus better.
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source
 
Apple failing?

Let's see........

1. Steve sells stock
2. Ipod sales sufferring - Apple said sales will slump this year
3. Macbook Pro problems
4. Top operating system position vacant
5. Apple being sued in France and England

Is something going on here.........:eek:
 
mygoldens said:
Let's see........

1. Steve sells stock
2. Ipod sales sufferring - Apple said sales will slump this year
3. Macbook Pro problems
4. Top operating system position vacant
5. Apple being sued in France and England

Is something going on here.........:eek:
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Yeah, yeah, Apple is beleaguered...or doomed, whatever you prefer... :rolleyes:

I can add another item:

6. John Dvorak's sons started posting on MacRumors...
 
Compile 'em all said:
What the heck are you talking about?. Everybody knows that a monolithic
kernel beats the hell outta of microkernels preformance-wise. Besides, OS
X and NT both run a hybrid kernel (as another poster noted). I really can't
understand what do you mean by "modern" here. OS concepts evolve over
long periods of time and almost all the research in the area of Operating
systems has already been done.
Here take a look for yourself...modern Operating System my a**
All numbers are expressed in microseconds, lower is thus better.
119273502_d34443453a_o.png

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source
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So you guys are gonna repeat again and again the same ol' test made by Anandtech on these crappy MySQL/Server benchmarks?

Gimme a break, please...OS is MUCH more than cryptic database tests and babblings about the best kernel. Anandtech's test has been around for months, and all you can cite is that now?

As a mature OS, Linux is even worse than Windows...what a crappy, barebones and nerdish OS...if you have a problem with it, you don't even know where to start troubleshooting...and software base is paltry to say the least...go figure.
 
mygoldens said:
Let's see........

1. Steve sells stock
2. Ipod sales sufferring - Apple said sales will slump this year
3. Macbook Pro problems
4. Top operating system position vacant
5. Apple being sued in France and England

Is something going on here.........:eek:
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I know you're just joking around, but anyway:

1. Tax reasons.
2. No compelling reason to upgrade. Still got nice high market share, and every day it stays up there the iPod/iTunes partnership becomes harder to topple.
3. Shock horror, Apple kit has noise problems! Seriously though, I'm sure it's irritating, but it's a minority problem - Mac users are just more vocal about, well, everything...
4. This may not be entirely bad, if you read that Daring Fireball article linked
5. Apple usually have half a dozen lawsuits on the go. This is the 3rd time the Beatles alone have been after them!
 
mygoldens said:
Let's see........

1. Steve sells stock
2. Ipod sales sufferring - Apple said sales will slump this year
3. Macbook Pro problems
4. Top operating system position vacant
5. Apple being sued in France and England

Is something going on here.........:eek:
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6. 'MacBook'
7. iPod Hifi
 
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