Ban on Galaxy Nexus U.S. Sales Upheld, Software Patch to Circumvent Forthcoming

[mvdb]

Guys, stop blaming Apple for trying to defend their patents. This is obviously aimed at Samsung and not at Google.

Here's what happens if nobody fights Samsung...

Samsung is a company run by old farts with no passion for technology, their only passion is their wallets. They blatantly rip off Apple among other American and Japanese innovators.

They copy everything down to the final design of the product, and then produce a product that is 'good enough' at a very low cost to the consumer. They aim to crush the competition. Once all competition and innovation is destroyed, they will revert to their original 'sub par' products and we will all be screwed with bad products just like Microsoft screwed us into bad computers with terrible iterations of Windows.

Take a closer look. The Samsung Galaxy looks identical to an iPhone 3G, the Galaxy II looks identical to an iPhone 4, and a while ago I saw mockups for a rumored 'pebble' shaped iPhone 5... and 2 months later behold: the Galaxy III 'pebble'.

I'm all for competition which benefits the consumer. But while Samsung's practices are 'hurting' Apple, they are destroying the other Android manufacturers. Nobody wins with having a company like Samsung competing the way it does.

 

[bassett700]

Here comes another 1,000 post war of words as people without ALL the facts say how improper this was of the court.

Your post implies you support the court's decision. If so, haven't you fallen into the same trap? You've decided the court was correct without ALL the facts. I may have misread your post.

 

[Chabba]

Such as all the ones invalidated because of being too broad.

And with the patent in touch, do you think that talinkg just about "heuristics" without any detail this patent is not broad? Do you think that joining various sources into one field is not an idea but an specific implementation?

The invalidated patents are invalid and not patents. I do believe it isn't too broad. They don't have to reveal what algorithms are in use to produce the various search results, only that they use multiple algorithms to produce results from various sources.

And no, I believe that joining various search results into one field is a specific implementation, especially when faced with the fact there was simple file searching before hand, such as Windows XP and before.

I don't like Apple suing companies over patent infringement, but I don't like patent infringement either. I do understand why a company would want to protect their patent, for better or worse.

 

[BvizioN]

patents protect specific implementations of specific ideas in specific categories of products.

+1000

 

[reluttr]

It’s also possible that Jesus was an alien from planet Cybertron. Where is your proof? Apple has the proof right there, they have a patent. Maybe iPhone project began in 2002 or even before that who knows.

I can randomly guess too.

Well to be fair Optimus Prime has been resurrected several times. Plus his soul "spark" is contained in a item "matrix" that can bring stuff to life, heal the wounded, and cure diseases...

Regardless, its rather hard to say how long any project has been "in the works" unless you are directly involved with it, especially so with apple.

Although, I gotta admit its kinda funny that google... a company that was founded on the idea of searching... let apple beat them at filing a patent for the very thing they specialize in.

 

[Oletros]

And no, I believe that joining various search results into one field is a specific implementation, especially when faced with the fact there was simple file searching before hand, such as Windows XP and before.

So you're claiming that nobody can put TWO different sources into the same search box independnt of how they produce the results? Really?

if this is not the very definition of patenting an idea and not an especific implentation id on't know what can be. But I can be wrong.

 

[ChrisTX]

and the saga continues.

wu-tang, wu-tang...

 

[wkdtime]

It's ok for Apple to rip pull down notification from Android but Android can't use universal search function.

WTF much!

Queue the lemmings.

 

[Ori]

I sold my iPhone 4S Monday because of this law suit... not that it matters to anyone but I finally had enough, I have decided to show my dissapointment with Apple by no longer using their product.

For now I'm using an old Android phone but plan to buy an off contract SIII or Galaxy Nexus.

I can't be the only one to react this way.

Bully for you. Why do you care about 2 rich companies arguing about money than you and I can only dream of?

I hated the way Microsoft behave for a long time, but I didn't refuse to buy from them on any moral grounds. My argument is that all these companies are as bad as each other and I won't jump ship everytime one of them does something that annoys me.

If you think google, htc, Samsung are snow white that you are very naive

 

[organerito]

Guys, stop blaming Apple for trying to defend their patents. This is obviously aimed at Samsung and not at Google.

Here's what happens if nobody fights Samsung...

Samsung is a company run by old farts with no passion for technology, their only passion is their wallets. They blatantly rip off Apple among other American and Japanese innovators.

They copy everything down to the final design of the product, and then produce a product that is 'good enough' at a very low cost to the consumer. They aim to crush the competition. Once all competition and innovation is destroyed, they will revert to their original 'sub par' products and we will all be screwed with bad products just like Microsoft screwed us into bad computers with terrible iterations of Windows.

Take a closer look. The Samsung Galaxy looks identical to an iPhone 3G, the Galaxy II looks identical to an iPhone 4, and a while ago I saw mockups for a rumored 'pebble' shaped iPhone 5... and 2 months later behold: the Galaxy III 'pebble'.

I'm all for competition which benefits the consumer. But while Samsung's practices are 'hurting' Apple, they are destroying the other Android manufacturers. Nobody wins with having a company like Samsung competing the way it does.

Yes, you are right. Apple doesn't care about money. All of their computers are are fairly priced, just like the Mac Pro. Oh.... wait.

 

[Sedrick]

 

[jazzkids]

I think MR needs a new site LegalRumors.com. Kidding, but all of this back-n-forth between Samsung and Apple seem like 2 spoiled brats right now. Yes, I do understand protecting your trademark/patent, so no need to flame me for that. But come on, when do we allow technology to thrive and actually see where it can go and what it can do for society?

This stuff reminds me of how Jobs/Woz worked. Woz did it for the science and thrill of building a machine while Jobs saw the dollar signs.

All of this legal rambling along with companies like LodSys stifles innovation. For instance, read some of LodSys's patent here http://www.lodsys.com/uspto-5999908.html. I'm no lawyer but this stuff seems awfully vague.

Someday there will be a patent in providing 'power to a machine' and if your device has a on/off switch some company will need royalties! Again, kidding. I hope this is not real.

When do we fix the patent system to support innovation??

 

[akuma13]

Dammit I wanted to get a Nexus. A no go at the Play store.

 

[Over The Hill]

Well to be fair Optimus Prime has been resurrected several times. Plus his soul "spark" is contained in a item "matrix" that can bring stuff to life, heal the wounded, and cure diseases...

Matrix of leadership

 

[marksman]

We finally found the key to getting an android phone a software update. An injunction forced by Apple.

 

[Johnner1999]

<not attacking you>

How did you get google music to sync to each nexus device you and your family has, without giving each device access to you your personal gmail account? Meaning I don't want my wife and friend to be reading my mail?


again just asking questions not making a direct statement!



<now back on topic>

I have zero issue with Apple protecting and upholding what they invented! If this model wasn't in place why would any company want to make a better product?

I think you fellows need to come in to the 21st century.

I already had the discussion with my wife who wanted a new iPod Touch, but I showed her what was going on in this dispute. Once you have all of the facts, you can make an informed decision. Further, the kids are happy they are getting big 7" screens as opposed to the little 3.5" screens on their iPod Touch.

My music has already been compatible with Google Music Manager, and I already listen to it on my Galaxy Nexus which has a better D/A, and I will continue to use iTunes on my iMac, Mac Pro, Mac Book Pro, and Mac Mini. Further, my kids get all of their music off of iTunes. Using Google Music Manager its all very seamless, provided its DRM free, which it mostly is.

My Marantz AV7005 processor has already replaced my Apple TV functions and I need to now download the Android app for my Harmony Link remote.

I'm glad I didn't buy a NEST thermostat like I was planning to a couple months back.

The transition is easier than one would think.

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iTunes music is no problem. Google Music Manager will accept AAC files, but not DRM files. DRM files are a problem as it is because if you synch 3-4 iDevices to your Mac and it has DRM files, and some of those files are shared between playlists, you can't put it on all of those devices.

 

[marksman]

Android had voice search first.

Show me one instance where Google has used a software patent aggressively to sue another party first. Google wasn't playing the patent game from the beginning. Google is building up its patent portfolio now, of course, just to defend against ridiculous attacks like this.

Google should have patented the slide-down notification bar and licensed it to all the Android manufacturers. Not because they particularly care that iOS would copy it, but to protect against Apple's ridiculous litigation.

That is because googles primary business is something they want to keep secret and hide. In other areas they just steal so no patents there either.

 

[adder7712]

I don't think the Nexus can though. I'm sure some models can play AAC.

Android has AAC support since God knows when. Even Nokia and Sony Ericsson dumbphones have the ability to play AAC files.

Hell, my phone can even play FLAC files.

We finally found the key to getting an android phone a software update. An injunction forced by Apple.

Guess you didn't know about how support for Nexus devices come straight from Google. Whatever Android release Google dishes out, the Nexus devices will get it first.

 

[Johnner1999]

I'd have no problem if Google protected its design (I assume its patented) in fact they should file if it is. But I assume the Ad revenue dept within Google says ummm no you can't take one of our biggest accounts to court.... that may change once Apple kicks maps to the curb and changes the default search provider to 'Siri'...

It's ok for Apple to rip pull down notification from Android but Android can't use universal search function.

WTF much!

Queue the lemmings.

 

[marksman]

Man im with you 100%, I am too a proud owner of a few Apple products but I am NOT supportive of Apple suing Samsung over everything. Its not good at all for consumers. Apple wants a damn monopoly.....f that. I think Jelly Bean is better anyways

What is not good for consumers is innovation and creativity become completely stifled because those who dedicate resources to innovate do not get a return on their investment because companies like google and Samsung choose to steal and not innovate. That is the real issue facing consumers. This injunction is a win for consumers and innovation.

 

[marksman]

lol if they really cared about their precious patents wouldn't they sue google, hmm you know the makers of that "stolen" os?

Obviously no because google does not sell the infringing product, Samsung does. The injunction is to get relief from Samsung selling a product with stolen patents in it. Suing google would not injunct Samsung.

 

[adder7712]

Obviously no because google does not sell the infringing product, Samsung does. The injunction is to get relief from Samsung selling a product with stolen patents in it. Suing google would not injunct Samsung.

I'm sorry? Google sells and supports Nexus phones and tablets. HTC/Samsung/ASUS just manufacturers the hardware.

 

[Sora]

Apple spent millions to make this happen. Google answers with a patch.

I'm sorry but I find this comical.

Think further outside the box.

A couple of days out of the market place can be catastrophic for a new device to develop market traction.
Google / Samsung's actual losses could be in several million, add in potential losses and it could easily swell to hundreds of millions.
Think about it.
Advertising. Shipping. Storage of the product (millions of units) during the injunction. Then there is the potential loss of sales. Potential loss of income from use - google searches, handset advertising. Developers, apps. Plus a whole host of other factors that I failed to mention.

The story is a bit different for Apple. Potential Samsung/Google customers might purchase an Apple product in lieu of the ban. Further saturating the market with their product. App purchases.

In the end, even if Apple were to loose the court case - which I don't see happening, but lets say they did. Samsung/Google would still loose the war.

You can never, ever buy back time in the market place. Not because the costs are so high, but because it's physically impossible.

 

[Oletros]

I'm sorry? Google sells and supports Nexus phones and tablets. HTC/Samsung/ASUS just manufacturers the hardware.

Ignore him, you can't expect anything about him

 

[Sora]

So you think Samsung should be allowed to infringe on their hard work and profit from it. Had they successfully done this in 2002 they could have derailed the iPod which paved the way for the iPhone and now the iPad. Apple's mistakes in protecting their IP is what almost allowed MS to kill them before. They must fight now. If they don't and allow the infringing to continue to long it will be too late.

Some people don't understand the need to protect IP (intellectual property).

I'm not sure if it would help but, I liken infringing on IP to an assailant entering your home and raping your daughter.
As you wake up to screams of help coming from your child. You have two choices:
1. Go back to sleep
2. Fight like hell! (aka release the hounds, going HAM on the fool, etc etc).

I don't blame Apple. Someone tried to rape their child. When you mess with the cubs, you mess with the bear. Fight time.