Ban on Galaxy Nexus U.S. Sales Upheld, Software Patch to Circumvent Forthcoming

[Macclone]

i have an iPhone, 2 MacBooks, a cinema display, an iPad, an iPod Nano, and an iMac G4. I'm not in favor of this. This is bad for all consumers. Unless you are a huge shareholder or an executive at Apple, you shouldn't be in favor of this ban.

So you condone theft?

 

[kurosov]

Some people don't understand the need to protect IP (intellectual property).

I'm not sure if it would help but, I liken infringing on IP to an assailant entering your home and raping your daughter.
As you wake up to screams of help coming from your child. You have two choices:
1. Go back to sleep
2. Fight like hell! (aka release the hounds, going HAM on the fool, etc etc).

I don't blame Apple. Someone tried to rape their child. When you mess with the cubs, you mess with the bear. Fight time.

Wow. While i agree with the case...

That analogy is unnecessarily and quite unnaturally brutal.

 

[blackcrayon]

I sold my iPhone 4S Monday because of this law suit... not that it matters to anyone but I finally had enough, I have decided to show my dissapointment with Apple by no longer using their product.

For now I'm using an old Android phone but plan to buy an off contract SIII or Galaxy Nexus.

I can't be the only one to react this way.

No, I'm sure there are at least 5 or 6 other people that will react this way as well. I noticed you sold your iPhone 4S and didn't smash it... So Apple gets another iPhone 4S user regardless 😉

 

[viewfly]

You mean USPTO 12/363,325 (filed January 2009, 2 and a half years before iOS 5 ?) :

It's coming. 😉

Maybe this is the whole strategy. Samsung/Google needs Apple's Search patent and Apple finds/knows that they need Google Notifications patent.

So they will trade/cross license each. This may just be a chess game to show Google/Samsung that Apple's patent has some meat to it, so don't even think about suing over the Notifications patent.

idk

Patents don't allow a company to mgfr anything. They only exist to prevent others from mgfr and making money using your patent. Otherwise they are only plaques on the wall.

Companies are mostly gracious about patents. If they want to make a product but need another company's patent they ask for a license. If they decide not to, or believe they don't need to, then the courts are the only recourse.

The decision to sue is done carefully. Courts generally favor small companies over large companies. And if the money being made by the infringing company is small...it is generally decided not worth suing. But if real money is being made, i.e. like Samsung, that is something different.

 

[Reason077]

I can't figure out how they were able to patent that. It's been part of most desktop operating systems for ages.

I can't think of anyone that had a universal search interface before Spotlight came out in OS X. i.e.: a single search box that searches not just files, but contacts, emails, etc - all without having to specify what type of thing your looking for (this last part is important! It's a key part of the patent).

 

[viewfly]

I can't think of anyone that had a universal search interface before Spotlight came out in OS X. i.e.: a single search box that searches not just files, but contacts, emails, etc - all without having to specify what type of thing your looking for (this last part is important! It's a key part of the patent).

+1 Yes this is the key.

 

[baryon]

I don't really like these patent wars, and although I don't like companies copying each other, what I dislike even more is when one company wants to limit the use of their ideas just so they can make money.

Humans should help each other to advance their world, and not be greedy and keep their ideas to them.

This can't always work, sure, but I think that in a future world patent disputes like this will no longer exist.

 

[cdmoore74]

I just know that Apple better not pull this crap with my Nexus 7 before they ship it. Just makes me sick that have we have to see lawsuit after lawsuit because Apple can no longer innovate and produce product to make us forget about everyone else. What is Apple going to do a year from now? Sue Microsoft "if" windows phone 8 and their tablets take off?
Knowing Apple the next iPad will look exactly the same because of the Retina display. You can add faster processors and better camera's but it will still use the same old iOS 6 and will feel no different. And increasing the size of a iPhone to 4 inches is no magical feat. Android first started using 4 inches over 2 years ago.
Instead of suing your competitors how about releasing the next big thing to make us forget about the competition.

 

[MarcelV]

Why didn't they sue Microsoft after making fun of them for implementing it in Vista.

You are aware that there is a cross licensing agreement in place between Apple and Microsoft for their patent portfolios, right?

 

[jonnysods]

In the end, it's probably a method patent, and Apple would simply have to use a different method to implement it. As an iOS user, I really don't want it to go, because I like the new notification center, vs the old "Hey, I'm an annoying notification pop-up".

I totally love Notification Center, it has changed the way I use my phone. But it certainly wasn't invented by Apple. I'm curious to see what would happen if this got challenged.

 

[kdarling]

Some people don't understand the need to protect IP (intellectual property).

I'm not sure if it would help but, I liken infringing on IP to an assailant entering your home and raping your daughter.

Good grief. And we always thought that car analogies were bad 🙄

If you're going to try to simplify, it would be more like:

- You need to find always-on-the-move Uncle Harry's latest address. So you look everywhere. In your address book. In your desk drawer for old letters from him. You search the web. You call your sister and ask. Each time you filtered out the info you were most interested in.

Unduly impressed with your own smartness, you patent your search methods using fancy and incredibly general words like "heuristics", instead of actually detailing what search method each heuristic entails.

- Later, you're at someone else's house and they lose their keys. You watch amazed as they search the bowl near the door, their pockets, their dresser, and even ask their wife and kids.

"Stop!", you cry out. Only *I* can search multiple places at once!

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Infringement in this case hinged on claims construction interpretation. For one example, a major patent claim in question included a requirement for:

"... a plurality of heuristic modules configured to search for information that corresponds to the received information descriptor, wherein: each heuristic module corresponds to a respective area of search and employs a different, predetermined heuristic algorithm corresponding to said respective area..."

Samsung's lawyers argued that patent infringement clearly required different algorithms for each search area. Apple's lawyers claimed that "each" didn't apply to the following phrase "heuristic module", but to the initial "plurality of heuristic modules".

Apple's construction arguments won over the judge. Otherwise there would have been no preliminary injunction.

Of course, the actual trial jury could later come out with a totally different interpretation.

 

[bergmef]

I just know that Apple better not pull this crap with my Nexus 7 before they ship it. Just makes me sick that have we have to see lawsuit after lawsuit because Apple can no longer innovate and produce product to make us forget about everyone else. What is Apple going to do a year from now? Sue Microsoft "if" windows phone 8 and their tablets take off?
Knowing Apple the next iPad will look exactly the same because of the Retina display. You can add faster processors and better camera's but it will still use the same old iOS 6 and will feel no different. And increasing the size of a iPhone to 4 inches is no magical feat. Android first started using 4 inches over 2 years ago.
Instead of suing your competitors how about releasing the next big thing to make us forget about the competition.

So if apple holds the patent, they should just let everyone use it and come up with something better? Why have the patent then? Apple gets sued when they violate a patent. You infringe, you get sued. And the engineers working on the next big thing probably are not the ones in court, I doubt R&D is suffering because of it.

 

[Labeno]

Can't wait until Google sues Apple for ripping off the pull down notification menu in iOS. It will be hard to work around that one. But you know what they say, what goes around comes around.

There are a few unknowns here...
- Did Google patent or copyright the pull down notification?
- If so, is Apple already paying a license fee to use it? Can't assume Apple is stealing it, just like we found out last year that Apple is licensing the use of an in-app purchase.

Anyone know the answers?

 

[bergmef]

Good grief. And we always thought that car analogies were bad 🙄

If you're going to try to simplify, it would be more like:

- You need to find always-on-the-move Uncle Harry's latest address. So you look everywhere. In your address book. In your desk drawer for old letters from him. You search the web. You call your sister and ask. Each time you filtered out the info you were most interested in.

Unduly impressed with your own smartness, you patent your search methods using fancy and incredibly general words like "heuristics", instead of actually detailing what each method entails.

- Later, you're at someone else's house and they lose their keys. You watch amazed as they search the bowel near the door, their pockets, their dresser, and even ask their wife and kids.

"Stop!", you cry out. Only *I* can search multiple places at once!

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Infringement wasn't extremely clear in this case. It hinged on claims construction terminology. For one example, a major patent claim in question included a requirement for:

"... a plurality of heuristic modules configured to search for information that corresponds to the received information descriptor, wherein: each heuristic module corresponds to a respective area of search and employs a different, predetermined heuristic algorithm corresponding to said respective area..."

Samsung's lawyers argued that patent infringement clearly required different algorithms for each search type. Apple's lawyers claimed that "each" didn't apply to the following phrase "heuristic module", but to the initial "plurality of heuristic modules".

Apple's construction argument won. Otherwise there would have been no injunction.

Bowel ... ouch! 😱 Just kidding.

 

[Oletros]

There are a few unknowns here...
- Did Google patent or copyright the pull down notification?
- If so, is Apple already paying a license fee to use it? Can't assume Apple is stealing it, just like we found out last year that Apple is licensing the use of an in-app purchase.

Anyone know the answers?

Google has applied for a patent and Apple doesn't have licensed nothing

 

[Oletros]

So if apple holds the patent, they should just let everyone use it and come up with something better? Why have the patent then? Apple gets sued when they violate a patent. You infringe, you get sued. And the engineers working on the next big thing probably are not the ones in court, I doubt R&D is suffering because of it.

No, you think someone is infringing your IP, you sue

 

[Navdakilla]

Moral of the story: Don't mess with Apple

 

[satakarni]

why can't these people engineer their own stuff. Shameless idiots. I guess the typical work cycle at samsung or google is:

1) Order new iPhone or iPad or Mac
2)Deliver it to all Sr. Design engineers or Architects
3)spend some days to reverse engineer it
4)rip-off as it as with Windows OS or Android OS
5)sell it the market

I doubt what is their morals to work in a company that is after every model of Apple's product and copy-cat and release it. I use to respect Samsung but it is playing below the belt.

 

[Oletros]

why can't these people engineer their own stuff. Shameless idiots. I guess the typical work cycle at samsung or google is:

1) Order new iPhone or iPad or Mac
2)Deliver it to all Sr. Design engineers or Architects
3)spend some days to reverse engineer it
4)rip-off as it as with Windows OS or Android OS
5)sell it the market

I doubt what is their morals to work in a company that is after every model of Apple's product and copy-cat and release it. I use to respect Samsung but it is playing below the belt.

Why should read the post if I can write nonsense?

 

[See Flat]

Google has applied for a patent and Apple doesn't have licensed nothing

doesn't that actually mean they licensed everything?

 

[kdarling]

Bowel ... ouch! 😱 Just kidding.

*laughing* Yeah, I noticed that later on and changed it to the correct "bowl".

Good thing it wasn't a "loose" one.

🙂

 

[blackcrayon]

I just know that Apple better not pull this crap with my Nexus 7 before they ship it. Just makes me sick that have we have to see lawsuit after lawsuit because Apple can no longer innovate and produce product to make us forget about everyone else. What is Apple going to do a year from now? Sue Microsoft "if" windows phone 8 and their tablets take off?
Knowing Apple the next iPad will look exactly the same because of the Retina display. You can add faster processors and better camera's but it will still use the same old iOS 6 and will feel no different. And increasing the size of a iPhone to 4 inches is no magical feat. Android first started using 4 inches over 2 years ago.
Instead of suing your competitors how about releasing the next big thing to make us forget about the competition.

So the next iPad will "feel no different"? Then I guess Apple has another winner on their hands. And no one said increasing the size of the iPhone was an innovation in and of itself. Nor is it for phones running Android. Presenting that weird straw-man argument is just... Weird. Apple has sold devices with different sized screens for decades, I'm pretty sure they're well aware of the concept 🙂

 

[Oletros]

doesn't that actually mean they licensed everything?

Mmmm, no?

 

[MacCurry]

<not attacking you>

How did you get google music to sync to each nexus device you and your family has, without giving each device access to you your personal gmail account? Meaning I don't want my wife and friend to be reading my mail?


again just asking questions not making a direct statement! 🙂



<now back on topic>

I have zero issue with Apple protecting and upholding what they invented! If this model wasn't in place why would any company want to make a better product?

Each user on the same computer must log in to Google Music Manager to make their music sync. Once sync is completed, they can log out and verify their music is now on Google Play when the log in to their Google account. This works especially well when I buy my kids music from my iTunes account. Music Manager is in the Other category of System Preferences on the Mac.

Remember, Google Music Manager is an application which runs on the Mac. Google Play is separate and runs as a web application on your Mac. It runs as a native app on your Android device. Yes, each person who has an Android device must have their own Google account.

 

[kevinof]

Not directly related but a UK court has just handed a win to HTC against Apple - including slide to unlock.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/07/04/uk_htc_no_infringement/

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HTC was first to file in the UK, trying to invalidate patents that were already at issue in the firms' cases in Germany, but Apple quickly counter-sued over patents dealing with multi-touch, photo management, slide-to-unlock and changing alphabets on keyboards.


Judge Christopher Floyd said that the photo management patent was valid, but HTC wasn't infringing on it. The judge ruled that the three other patents were invalid – either because they were obvious, in the common knowledge or had been done before.

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