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I got a question. Why is only the Samsung Galaxy phones banned, when basically every android phone from 1.6 uses the exact same swipe behavior in the Photo gallery? :rolleyes:

Is Apple scared of Google? :D:D

The consequences can be big if Google ban Apple from all their services as a retaliation just to annoy Apple :cool:
 
I got a question. Why is only the Samsung Galaxy phones banned, when basically every android phone from 1.6 uses the exact same swipe behavior in the Photo gallery? :rolleyes:

Is Apple scared of Google? :D:D

The consequences can be big if Google ban Apple from all their services as a retaliation just to annoy Apple :cool:

Nothing was really banned. The judge purposely gave enough time (for samsung to fix the software) before banning take effect. He thought the 'damage' done by the photo app didn't warrant banning Galaxy phones for real.


Winning as decision on that patent is not not winning at all.

It was the only patent that Samsung and other companies can easily patch and remove.

it would only be a win if this app/feature was the selling point of the phone.

Stop reinforcing the wrong idea that the offending photo app is Samsung's. It's not. It was added by Google in stock Android 2.x. Again, Google.
 
The GS2 is not going to do anything as far as hurting Apple's or the iPhone's bottom line. Like I said it's just another Android phone that'll sell a couple of million and then disappear like every other phone.

It's doing extremely well in the countries were it has been released, so you can be pretty sure it's a concern to Apple. It won't disappear until Samsung introduces it's successor. even the SII's predecessor, the Galaxy S, is still doing fairly well.

The hype for it is funny though...

Yeah, Samsung has almost managed to create the same insane hype about it as Apple does with their products. Look into it and you will see the common denominator; "having the media on your side"
 
I've never seen any company proclaim their intentions were to kill the iPhone. Has any manufacturer ever made that claim or is it just click hungry bloggers and forumgoers?

Seriously, which 4g, dual core phone has been marketed like that?

Samsung actually markets their SGII like that, at least in sweden. Not outright, but (very) implied. For example:

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Mashed apples.

Smarter. Faster. Thinner.
Compare it to whatever you like.
 
I got a question. Why is only the Samsung Galaxy phones banned, when basically every android phone from 1.6 uses the exact same swipe behavior in the Photo gallery? :rolleyes:

Is Apple scared of Google? :D:D

The consequences can be big if Google ban Apple from all their services as a retaliation just to annoy Apple :cool:

Google would be stabbing themselves in the face if they omitted iOS users from their services. This could be just first step in a long line of lawsuits.
 
It's the same thing with Android's "openness". Are any of the manufacturers claiming that their phones are open source? Nope, but you better believe the forumgoers will use that as the number one reason why android is better then ios...
Many OEM's make their source code available.
Motorola releases their Android source code within 30 days of release of new software.
They even provide the kernel source so you can compile your own if you feel like it.
The Atrix has had it's already great battery life extended even further by the devs over on XDA. They have made some very stable and streamlined kernels.

Motorola, Samsung and HTC release everything but their proprietary code.
Blur, TouchWiz and Sense are proprietary code and as such are under no obligation to make them open source.
 
It's doing extremely well in the countries were it has been released, so you can be pretty sure it's a concern to Apple. It won't disappear until Samsung introduces it's successor. even the SII's predecessor, the Galaxy S, is still doing fairly well.



Yeah, Samsung has almost managed to create the same insane hype about it as Apple does with their products. Look into it and you will see the common denominator; "having the media on your side"

This. Im tired about reading ten Apple (read: iToy) articles per day. Especially considering how full of errors they usually are.
 
Samsung actually markets their SGII like that, at least in sweden. Not outright, but (very) implied. For example:

Image

Mashed apples.

Smarter. Faster. Thinner.
Compare it to whatever you like.

That is cheeky of Samsung! So we should call it the iPhone masher?;)

Nice Android photobomb in the pictures widget. :D
 
Come on.. Wtf is going on here. Anyone know if this applies to Norway? I searched NO and Norway on that page and it isn't there. That means it will continue to sell here right?

As a resident of Norway, you should know that you are not a member of the EU because of all your oil supplies that you would have to share if you joined.
 
Example: the Fingerworks patents have a lot of code and math behind them. They researched hard to figure out how to mathematically recognize gestures across the tops of capacitive keys. Real work and cleverness, and not something that a layman could figure out in two seconds..

I really don't see how Fingerworks supports your argument here. Apple bought Fingerworks' patents, (for some $14 million) and hired some of the company founders, back in 2005. Westerman continues to be named in numerous Apple patent applications.

You may certainly argue that the original idea wasn't developed in-house at Apple. But by buying the IP, surely Apple is rewarding the hard work and innovation of the people who created it? And surely you can't be suggesting that, having invested millions of dollars in an as-then commercially unproven technology, Apple should simply give away the rights to all and sundry?

As far as Jeff Han and Perceptive Pixel, I'm not aware that there are any on-going disputes between Perceptive Pixel and Apple.

Personally I see Apple's actions in all this as being for the good of innovations (and innovators.) It can cost tens of millions of dollars to bring new technologies to market. Far better than innovators such as the guys at Fingerworks sell their IP to a firm like Apple - than to quietly go bankrupt and have their patents bought up by a Patent Troll that has no plan on ever bringing the technology to market.

Its worth noting that Apple didn't make the so-called '949 Patent (which covers very basic touchscreen zooming and scrolling behavior) part of its case in the US (or I believe germany or Holland.) Why they omitted this is open to speculation.

The '949 Patent is probably the broadest (and potentially most valuable) of those Apple acquired from Fingerworks. It certainly could face some potential challenges on various grounds, although it has survived at least one challenge when the PTO refused to grant re-examination back in July of 2010.

It may very well turn out that many, if not all, of Apple's Patents on touchscreen and other technologies are ultimately overturned or denied. That is up to the lawyers and the courts to decide.

But I think the important question people need to ask themselves is this: Is the "bad guy" here Apple, which paid the inventors of that technology millions of dollars. Or Samsung - which paid them nothing, and just took the work other people had done for nothing?

What company is going to inspire and motivate the next scientist or engineer work on tomorrows breakthroughs? Apple - which comes calling with its checkbook open. Or Samsung, which plasters the Internet with pictures from Sci-Fi movies.
 
I got a question. Why is only the Samsung Galaxy phones banned, when basically every android phone from 1.6 uses the exact same swipe behavior in the Photo gallery? :rolleyes:

Is Apple scared of Google? :D:D

The consequences can be big if Google ban Apple from all their services as a retaliation just to annoy Apple :cool:

Actually, its not swipe per se that theyre banned from using, but more likely the way the image "un-swipes" if you let go. Galaxy Tabs gallery uses swipe, and its not banned. So yeah.
 
I got a question. Why is only the Samsung Galaxy phones banned, when basically every android phone from 1.6 uses the exact same swipe behavior in the Photo gallery? :rolleyes:

Is Apple scared of Google? :D:D

The consequences can be big if Google ban Apple from all their services as a retaliation just to annoy Apple :cool:
You need to look at the AOSP gallery app.
Samsung is not using it.
They have modified it as has HTC, Motorola and a few others have.
This is why the Nexus S (another Samsung phone Apple had on the list) was not on the infringing list.
It IS stock Android. ;)
The stock gallery app does not behave the way Samsung's version did.
 
As a resident of Norway, you should know that you are not a member of the EU because of all your oil supplies that you would have to share if you joined.

American? Norway wouldnt have to share their oil supplies regardless. Not like the UK share theirs.
 
It's doing extremely well in the countries were it has been released, so you can be pretty sure it's a concern to Apple. It won't disappear until Samsung introduces it's successor. even the SII's predecessor, the Galaxy S, is still doing fairly well.



Yeah, Samsung has almost managed to create the same insane hype about it as Apple does with their products. Look into it and you will see the common denominator; "having the media on your side"

Define "extremely well" and "fairly well". Both are relative terms and don't really say much as far as "vs iPhone". I'm not saying Apple is discounting the GS2 as a non-factor, but we've heard the "iPhone killer" crap for the last 4 years, and hundreds upon hundreds of phones have been labeled that (including the freakin LG Voyager). The GS2 is a great phone...but it's not going to outsell the iPhone. It's not on pace to do that, it hasn't come close yet and there's no reason why it would considering the sheer amount of Android devices that are available.

For the GS2 to outsell the iPhone in one year would require almost a mass exodus for millions of android users to that phone. Sorry...not going to happen. Especially since iPhone5 is around the corner (and that doesn't mean the iPhone5 is automatically better then the GS2, it means there's no logical reason why the GS2 would suddenly be the "iPhone killer")
 
That is cheeky of Samsung! So we should call it the iPhone masher?;)

Nice Android photobomb in the pictures widget. :D

Nah. A better translation of Äpplemos is apple puree. Somehow that comes across as a bit fey in English.
 
You need to look at the AOSP gallery app.
Samsung is not using it.
They have modified it as has HTC, Motorola and a few others have.
This is why the Nexus S (another Samsung phone Apple had on the list) was not on the infringing list.
It IS stock Android. ;)
The stock gallery app does not behave the way Samsung's version did.

Is it specific to a Samsung modification then? I know Samsung have added "bounce" when you reach the end of menus but I can't remember if the Gallery behaved different to the AOSP build of the gallery.
 
Is it specific to a Samsung modification then? I know Samsung have added "bounce" when you reach the end of menus but I can't remember if the Gallery behaved different to the AOSP build of the gallery.
I'm running the AOSP (Gingerbread 2.3.4) stock 3D gallery app and it doesn't have that rubber banding effect that Samsung phones have.
Sammy had to have tweaked it.
 
Is it specific to a Samsung modification then? I know Samsung have added "bounce" when you reach the end of menus but I can't remember if the Gallery behaved different to the AOSP build of the gallery.

does it "un-swipe" if you release it without going more than halfway to the next pic? for some reason the tab-version is perfectly fine as far as the patent goes, so it has to be something highly specific.
 
Many OEM's make their source code available.
Motorola releases their Android source code within 30 days of release of new software.
They even provide the kernel source so you can compile your own if you feel like it.
The Atrix has had it's already great battery life extended even further by the devs over on XDA. They have made some very stable and streamlined kernels.

Motorola, Samsung and HTC release everything but their proprietary code.
Blur, TouchWiz and Sense are proprietary code and as such are under no obligation to make them open source.

That's not the point. They have to release the kernel source because the kernel is GPL. It's not their choice, they'd be in violation of the license if they withheld the kernel source.

Secondly, what I meant was they're not marketed as open source. The droid commercials don't say "introducing the new open sourced Bionic/Thunderbolt/Charge"..."open source" and "openness" (or whatever Google wants to define them to be) or not the selling points that are presented when these phones are marketed.

However, android forumgoers use that as the number one reason why android is better then ios. Usually, its just them not knowing what they're talking about.
 
Unfortunately for you, the judge thinks theyre product is unique enough (minus a minor thing present in 2.x but not 3.x). Second, this thing is hardly something that apple spent lots of R&D on (its a neat thing though, if i get it right).

Further, what you dont get when you go on your "patents are needed for innovation"-parade, is that innovation often times takes place at the ground, not at the top. However, due to the current system the man on the ground has no chance of protecting his innovation from Big C. With Big C in turn having tons of broad patents on everything between Alpha and Omega they can easily kill off any competitor. Heck, the mere fact that pretty much every single Silicon Value start-up is slammed with a law suit within months proves that theres something wrong with the system.

Its pretty much impossible to day to develop anything without infringing on something, and theres no way of knowing until you get letter in the mail (which itself does not need to say what you are doing wrong, just that you are doing something wrong - which you cannot easily check).
We're not talking about some little start-ups here, we're talking about Apple, Samsung and HTC, some of the world's largest electronics manufacturers. The latter two of which base their success on copying other companies' successful inventions (not just in computers and handheld devices, in the case of Samsung). This is not to say that they do not make good products, merely that their focus is not on spending money to develop revolutionary products, and as a result, neither company ever has.

I'm not saying that the patent system doesn't have its problems; witness the patent granted for embedding a button in an application, which Apple has licensed but supposedly is not allowed to include in its developers' toolkit in spite of having licensed it (and what could be more obvious than a link initiated by activating a button?). I am quite frankly tired of all of the legal manipulations in the tech industry right now.

At the same time, you have to look at it from a business standpoint. If Apple has invested money in researching and developing a technology, if it has been granted a patent for such technology, or if it has developed a product which is widely recognized due to its iconic appearance that everyone else suddenly starts to copy due to its success, the company is EXPECTED to protect such intellectual property and trade dress to the best of its ability. Whether such patents should or should not have been granted, and whether they are strong or weak, any failure to defend them results in such intellectual property being lost as an asset. I fail to understand how Apple living up to its fiduciary responsibility to its shareholders is considered by some on these forums to be "evil". From the standpoint of shareholders, to fail to do so would be evil and irresponsible, because it reduces the value of the company by failing to meet the company's obligations to protect its property.
 
Its you that dont get the point. The patent system was not put in place so that you could take old (or otherwise obvious) ideas and claim it as your own. That was not, is not, and will not ever be the point of patents.

You are right, but the fact of the matter is that the patent system is being abused. And without any intervening action from a regulatory body, any company "too decent" to play the game will lose. So again. In this climate there is no other way than to patent and to litigate. Whether the companies and we as consumers like it or not.
 
Nah. A better translation of Äpplemos is apple puree. Somehow that comes across as a bit fey in English.

Says who? :- )

Apparently its sposed to be Apple sauce, but ill stick with mash. Technically, i guess its neither a mash or a puree (as the apple breaks naturally when heated), but "sauce" sounds plain wrong and puree is not as manly!

To quote Mike Skinner: "Immmmm masheddddd".

p.s. äppelmos > äpplemos!
 
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