I know it doesnt really fit, but then again there is probably a law somewhere against system abuse, wasting of the courts time etc. Clearly, regulatory bodies dont do their jobs - and why should they when Big C line their pockets. We have to take our responsibility as consumers. Thats the only way.
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Ban on Sale of Samsung Galaxy Smartphones in EU Set for October 13th
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I know it doesnt really fit, but then again there is probably a law somewhere against system abuse, wasting of the courts time etc. Clearly, regulatory bodies dont do their jobs - and why should they when Big C line their pockets. We have to take our responsibility as consumers. Thats the only way.
Why are Apple fans so obsessed with an "iPhone killer".. yes one device will not outsell the iPhone.. that's not the point. Samsung releases multiple models for different kinds of people. As does every Android manufacturer out there. It's about choice, I know that word isn't used much in the Apple world but in the real world it means a lot.. hence why Android is taking over the market share and iOS is slipping.
You didn't say iPhones.
I'll concede that point to you since I'm not scared to admit when I'm wrong.
More facts? When did I not admit I was wrong? Please don't push your agenda on me because you were proven wrong.
When you pointed out your five million sold, I stated you were right. That's when you started talking about facts all the while presenting things I never said. I'm just refreshing your memory btw as your short term seems to be lacking.
naive? perhaps, but what happened to having ideals? not just speaking about ideals, but actually having them? second, this is not about companies having patents, but the way they use said patents. Have you ever heard of a dish-washer company suing another dish-washer company because of its cubic minimalist design? I havent.
ok, i know the answer to why. that market is mature, this market is not. its like comparing the wild west to the not-so-wild-west. still, we have a choice. more, we have a responsibility. are you willing to take yours?
I didn't say you didn't admit to it. But even when you admit you were wrong, you tend to spin things around and try to say you were always sort of right.
I was giving you a subtle way out.
I didn't say you didn't admit to it. But even when you admit you were wrong, you tend to spin things around and try to say you were always sort of right.
Ok man...I wasn't sort of right. How could I spin facts to make myself sort of right if I was wrong. My argument from the beginning was there is no way whatsoever the galaxy s2 would outsell the iPhone. You took it upon yourself to suppose that I meant the IPhone 4 and also implied that I said Samsung "blatantly copied" iPhone.
If anyone needs an easy way out it's you...its far too late for you to be subtle about it.
3.x scrolls left-to-right. Doesnt infringe. Its about the "bounce-back" or something like that.
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His mom did not want it, thus it cannot be popular. How could you possibly argue against that?
Of course I did. To quote the oft-repeated Macrumors Mantra : "It's not fair to compare 1 model of phone to multiple models!"
So I assumed you meant only iPhone 4. I did admit I was wrong about that, I made an assumption and it bit me in the ass. I didn't try to spin it.
I think you're confused.
I was pointing out that there's a huge difference between touch patents that involve research, algorithms and code methods (and I gave Fingerworks in-depth non-obvious patents as an example)...
...versus broad simplistic touch patents that are only about trying to grab as many gestures as you can think of before anyone else does (which is clearly what several Apple patents are about).
It doesn't cost squat to sit around and think of using your fingers to "rotate" an image on a screen.
Locking down common gestures, whether they're in wide use yet or not, is never good for innovators or consumers.
Sounds like you both have been confused by past poor patent reporting.
Apple isn't using any patents from Fingerworks in the iPad or iPhone. The '949 patent certainly didn't come from them. Perhaps you saw one of their members on its list of a dozen inventors?
Fingerworks' patents don't have anything to do with LCD touchscreens. They're about gestures and capacitive surfaces on such things as keyboard tops and touchpads.
Go SAMSUNG!
As much as I like Apple products and services - and I don't own any Samsung divices - I really REALLY hope Apple doesn't get away with this...
Apple's claims are as ridiculous as claiming intellectual ownership of the "flat rectangular touchscreen", the "right click" or "double click" on a mouse. Was the swipe "invented" by Apple for their devices? perhaps - but on one hand, it's a natural gesture - sort of naturally intuitive - as when one is turning a book's page, so it's impossible to sustain that claim.... but further more - on the other hand - even if they did and their claim was considered reasonable, that widespread use of Apple's gestures is also the price of their success. They're so popular, that the gestures they use become common practice - such as the right or double click, or the drag and drop with the mouse.
I also wish Apple lost this one, so it saves itself from becoming Microsoft. And finally, Apple's terms, conditions, restrictions and prices are ridiculous. Some competition will be better for everyone - except Apple, of course... but Apple customers will be better off without Apple trying to become the greedy ****** corporation it is trying to be.
cheers, and Go Samsung!
As much as I like Apple products and services - and I don't own any Samsung divices - I really REALLY hope Apple doesn't get away with this...
Apple's claims are as ridiculous as claiming intellectual ownership of the "flat rectangular touchscreen", the "right click" or "double click" on a mouse. Was the swipe "invented" by Apple for their devices? perhaps - but on one hand, it's a natural gesture - sort of naturally intuitive - as when one is turning a book's page, so it's impossible to sustain that claim.... but further more - on the other hand - even if they did and their claim was considered reasonable, that widespread use of Apple's gestures is also the price of their success. They're so popular, that the gestures they use become common practice - such as the right or double click, or the drag and drop with the mouse.
I also wish Apple lost this one, so it saves itself from becoming Microsoft. And finally, Apple's terms, conditions, restrictions and prices are ridiculous. Some competition will be better for everyone - except Apple, of course... but Apple customers will be better off without Apple trying to become the greedy ****** corporation it is trying to be.
cheers, and Go Samsung!
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Absolute crap, Apple is one of the most unethical, anti-competitive companies in tech. I really hope they are hit with a lawsuit for the monopoly they are putting in the tablet market.
It is absolutely silly they are banning the sales of those phones. Obviously this judge doesn't know his head from his ass.
Though I do have a question, couldn't they essentially change the shape and a few things and re-release it under a different name?
It is absolutely silly they are banning the sales of those phones. Obviously this judge doesn't know his head from his ass.
Though I do have a question, couldn't they essentially change the shape and a few things and re-release it under a different name?
Go grab a smoke or a drink or whatever then come back and re-read the ruling.
The judge got it right.
Samsung essentially won as the only infringing component can be easily remedied prior to the ban date. Hell I'd be shocked if it took them more than a day to resolve the matter.
Once remedied, Samsung will no longer be in violation and no longer subject to any ban.
The design claims were tossed by the judge.
Go grab a smoke or a drink or whatever then come back and re-read the ruling.
The judge got it right.
Samsung essentially won as the only infringing component can be easily remedied prior to the ban date. Hell I'd be shocked if it took them more than a day to resolve the matter.
Once remedied, Samsung will no longer be in violation and no longer subject to any ban.
The judge even gave samsung extra time to remedy the software issue, acknowledging that the damage done by it to Apple is minimal. He 'banned' samsung phones based on that 1 minor software patent, BUT basically it's pointless as the judge intentionally gave Samsung extra time to remedy the software issue. Despite the article's title here and other main stream media, this is a BIG loss for apple.
Just like I didn't try to spin it when you called me out on the 5 million sold. Fair enough. But to be sure, when you call out people for not fact checking, please make sure you're yourself not making "assumptions" about things, makes you look a little hypocritical.
Apple Vs Samsung
Totally agree with whoever said, "I like apple products, but hate the company". I specifically bought a Galaxy S... because I got fed up having to Jailbreak Iphones and Ipod touches to make them work properly. Apple got successful by innovation, Microsoft got successful by stifling competition, and look where that's getting them these days. People like innovation but hate being told what they can use their device for or who they can buy from. Take note Steve - YOU ARE LOSING CUSTOMERS WITH THIS CRAP!
Totally agree with whoever said, "I like apple products, but hate the company". I specifically bought a Galaxy S... because I got fed up having to Jailbreak Iphones and Ipod touches to make them work properly. Apple got successful by innovation, Microsoft got successful by stifling competition, and look where that's getting them these days. People like innovation but hate being told what they can use their device for or who they can buy from. Take note Steve - YOU ARE LOSING CUSTOMERS WITH THIS CRAP!
This is getting rediculas. Do we really want a monopoly with our smartphones, with no competition? I know i don't, because thats what pushes your favourite phone maker (whoever it is) to make a better product.
HTC still exists, there's still a competent Android maker to compete with Apple.
If I understand the ruling correctly (I am Dutch, but not a lawyer) it is highly specific indeed.
Apparently, the tab allows one to use a (powerful) single gesture (a swipe) to immediately scroll to the next image, even when one has zoomed in at the current one. It appears that an essential part of the patent involves a _mandatory_ bounce when swiping on zoomed images that are not already aligned to the boundary that the swipe is moving away from; i.e. a second swipe is then needed to scroll to the next image. According to Apple this second swipe avoids desorientation for the user. And as this is basically the main problem that the patent attempts to avoid, and the tab does not _always_ (!) force this second swipe, the judge rules that the tab does not infringe.
Note that the fact that it is _possible_ to have a "bounce back" when the swipe is not powerful enough is not sufficient to infringe on the patent...
This also explains why swiping in general is no problem. The patent specifically deals with the situation of swiping over a "zoomed area" while also having to deal with using the same gesture to get to the next item.
Well, this is really peanuts if you ask me, and I imagine that Samsung is having a party right now.
Edit: notice that this also reveals why the patent was granted in the first place. It is _not_ about swiping in general, nor about using swipes to go to the next image. It is about this very specific situation that _might_ get a user desoriented.
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Was never interested in any Samsung mobile products, but i agree. This behavior lately makes me not want to buy Apple products.