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Ban on Sale of Samsung Galaxy Smartphones in EU Set for October 13th

Navdakilla said:
Wow haha, the ban is over photo swiping?!

Samsung should just release a software update changing that. Easy fix
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That is the all point. They can not come up with the own ideas, so copy is the only solution, that is Android in general. Google is to blame.
Smith was part of the board of directors in Apple. He had early access what Apple was doing. The original Android was more a Blackberry/Nokia interface. Smith didn't tell the board that they were going to be working on an iOS clone.
If you have your own company working on a new innovative product and one of your board members steals your ideas, how would you react?
By the way RIM and Microsoft try at least to create there own unique interface. Why should someone allowed to copy everything.
 
How is swiping a Samsung issue? Isn't that Android? I thought Apple was going after hardware, not software?

I suppose someone out there owns the patent to using a fork to eat with. Are we all suppose top pay every time we eat with a fork? This is all B.S.
 
BaldiMac said:
Good one. Apple didn't lose anything. They received the preliminary injunction that they requested. Just because some claims were rejected as grounds for a preliminary injunction, doesn't mean they are rejected as part of the actual lawsuit.
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The reality is that most people who buy these things simply do not care. Those of us who hang out on these sites are note representative of the general population who have lives and much better things to do with them than worry about patents.
 
peterdevries said:
. If Apple doesn't challenge any infringement of their patents, then they won't stand a chance in court when other companies infringe on the same patents. As long as the USPTO and EPO don't change their policy, this is a game that all need to play, whether they like it or not.
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You're not the only one making this point, so I'm really not targeting you.

But can anyone actually point to some actual documents, part of a law, or a policy that support this opinion?

The opinion, that if you don't challenge an infringement you will have problems when you challenge other on the same patent.
 
This just means companies (all companies) need to come up with new and INNOVATIVE ways to perform a task and not just be copycats. Sue on! :p
 
Vorst said:
That is the all point. They can not come up with the own ideas, so copy is the only solution, that is Android in general. Google is to blame.
Smith was part of the board of directors in Apple. He had early access what Apple was doing. The original Android was more a Blackberry/Nokia interface. Smith didn't tell the board that they were going to be working on an iOS clone.
If you have your own company working on a new innovative product and one of your board members steals your ideas, how would you react?
By the way RIM and Microsoft try at least to create there own unique interface. Why should someone allowed to copy everything.
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You do know the origin of Apples interface, right?

p.s. microsoft actually created something new with metro. Further, on the topic of swipe and cameras they implemented "swipe-left-for-roll", a feature Apple is now copying. Double-standards, much?
 
AaronEdwards said:
You're not the only one making this point, so I'm really not targeting you.

But can anyone actually point to some actual documents, part of a law, or a policy that support this opinion?

The opinion, that if you don't challenge an infringement you will have problems when you challenge other on the same patent.
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I'll ask my wife to look it up. She's a lawyer.
 
BTW, if it's ok to ban the sale of the Galaxies in Europe based on Samsung copying how photos are swiped, I sure do hope Apple has patents for every small function in iOS.

Cause we don't want the reverse thing happening, do we? The iPhone 5 (and the iPhone 4 and the iPhone 3GS too since they share the same OS) getting banned because they have copied something used in iOS 5...

If Google has their notification system for Android patented, would that be enough to ban all iPhones?

To put it simple, the punishment for the crime here is way beyond what's reasonable.
 
Vorst said:
That is the all point. They can not come up with the own ideas, so copy is the only solution, that is Android in general. Google is to blame.
Smith was part of the board of directors in Apple. He had early access what Apple was doing. The original Android was more a Blackberry/Nokia interface. Smith didn't tell the board that they were going to be working on an iOS clone.
If you have your own company working on a new innovative product and one of your board members steals your ideas, how would you react?
By the way RIM and Microsoft try at least to create there own unique interface. Why should someone allowed to copy everything.
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You mean Eric Schmidt.

Yes he was on Apple's board. Yes he reportedly was privy iPhone details prior to launch. Google had to be as they created (or helped create) the Maps app. Yes Eric knew full well that they were planning to compete with Apple in tis space and should have made that known and stepped down from the board. Did he? No. He stayed on, scooped as much as he could carry and only stepped down due to a conflict of interest when Google had Android ready to ship.
 
GlenL said:
This just means companies (all companies) need to come up with new and INNOVATIVE ways to perform a task and not just be copycats. Sue on! :p
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Would we benefit if every other house had different plugs, different way to operate doors, windows, cabinets etc. Would you benefit from not being able to pick a house in which you had both the preferred door, and the preferred window because X patented the door handle? I know i would not.

There is plenty of room for (real) innovation. This is ********.
 
BaldiMac said:
Good one. Apple didn't lose anything. They received the preliminary injunction that they requested. Just because some claims were rejected as grounds for a preliminary injunction, doesn't mean they are rejected as part of the actual lawsuit.
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Apple loses a patent and Samsung is forced to change its Photo Gallery. This also opens Apple up to increased scrutiny if someone does the same to them (which is possible seeing how Google now owns all of Motorolas important mobility IP and HTC's recent portfolio purchase.)

I'd take a few code changes over losing a patent any day, especially over something trivial such as a Gallery app.
 
MacRumors said:
The judge's decision was relatively narrow compared to the claims brought by Apple, which included a number of assertions that Samsung had copied Apple's product designs and functionality. The judge rejected most of those claims, finding only that Samsung had violated an Apple patent related to using swiping gestures to switch between photos in a gallery application.
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So will we get apologies from all the people who were saying Samsung blantantly copied the design of the iPhone ?

Or like everytime these people present their subjective opinion as the ultimate truth, they will brush over the fact that a court of law has decided that their opinion wasn't so much fact as they thought...

So much for the blatant copy. A single patent for a swipe gesture in a photo gallery app. Wow.
 
I'd expect Samsung to say this (spin?) but they appear pleased with the result:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14652482

Samsung victory?
Despite the impending embargo, Samsung welcomed the ruling. In a statement, the company said: "Today's ruling is an affirmation that the Galaxy range of products is innovative and distinctive.

"With regard to the single infringement cited in the ruling, we will take all possible measures including legal action to ensure that there is no disruption in the availability of our Galaxy smartphones to Dutch consumers."
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I wonder what happens next?
 
Bilbo63 said:
You mean Eric Schmidt.

Yes he was on Apple's board. Yes he reportedly was privy iPhone details prior to launch. Google had to be as they created (or helped create) the Maps app. Yes Eric knew full well that they were planning to compete with Apple in tis space and should have made that known and stepped down from the board. Did he? No. He stayed on, scooped as much as he could carry and only stepped down due to a conflict of interest when Google had Android ready to ship.
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Google bought Android long before Schmidt was invited on board. Schmidt sitting on two chairs was hardly a secret, and i am sure that they (Apple) took necessary measures.
 
ChazUK said:
I'd expect Samsung to say this (spin?) but they appear pleased with the result:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14652482



I wonder what happens next?
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Like I said before this is a victory for Samsung et al. It shows that Apples "Boy did we patent it" isn't as iron clad as everyone thought. New Gallery App and everyone moves on except maybe Apple. They opened the flood gates. Expect an all out assault from Mountain View and the folks using Android.
 
peterdevries said:
In my opinion Apple is playing ball in a game that was already playing long before they started to become significant in the marketplace. I remember seeing a graph anew weeks ago with the amount of patents Apple has compared to some competitors and I was surprised to see that they actually (comparatively) don't have that many.

It is not important whether these cases are fair, mean or whatever. The point is that in order to become and remain successful an electronics manufacturer needs to patent the hell out of it's devices or else other companies will do it for them.

If Apple doesn't challenge any infringement of their patents, then they won't stand a chance in court when other companies infringe on the same patents. As long as the USPTO and EPO don't change their policy, this is a game that all need to play, whether they like it or not. The shareholders of Samsung, Apple, Microsoft et al. demand it.
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shhh... there a lot of people on here that dislike common sense
 
Mattie Num Nums said:
Like I said before this is a victory for Samsung et al. It shows that Apples "Boy did we patent it" isn't as iron clad as everyone thought. New Gallery App and everyone moves on except maybe Apple. They opened the flood gates. Expect an all out assault from Mountain View and the folks using Android.
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Not that hard to change either.
 
AaronEdwards said:
You're not the only one making this point, so I'm really not targeting you.

But can anyone actually point to some actual documents, part of a law, or a policy that support this opinion?

The opinion, that if you don't challenge an infringement you will have problems when you challenge other on the same patent.
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With patents there is no requirement at all to challenge an infringement; you are not losing any rights because of that. The only case where you could lose some rights is if you make the patent infringer believe that they are not infringing, to make them pay harder later.

So assume for arguments sake that Samsung asked Apple: "We want to use this swipe feature but we don't want to step on your toes. Do you have any patents on that? ". If Apple says "Yes, and we are going to sue you" or "Yes, but we probably won't sue you", or "ask the USPTO, we are not telling", then Apple can sue at any time. If Apple says "No, we don't have any patents covering this" and they tried to sue later, that would be a problem.
 
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