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I love meaningless political debates! Repubs blame the Dems, Dems blame themselves, everyone else stays confused. And for people to think one president can change the landscape of nearly 30yrs of bad policy is just nonsense.

The president is a figurehead put forth by their party to be a temporary face/shield for their agenda. Want to make a difference? Stop reelecting congressmen and women with 5+ terms in office who do nothing but allow corporations and their lobbyists to fatten their wallets and take us to town.

Gah it doesn't matter what I say I'll get both sides blasting me so I'll stop here. :D

Sounds like the best post in the thread so far.
 
Remember, Obama was NOT dealt a hand. He knew the economic condition was horrible and getting worse. He RAN for office and promised change - things have gotten steadily worse.

No! No! No!

Obama is a victim. He did not ask for this job; it was forced upon him! He said from the beginning that everything is Bush's fault and that he would be powerless with a Democratic super-majority supporting him.
 
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Eraserhead said:
I love meaningless political debates! Repubs blame the Dems, Dems blame themselves, everyone else stays confused. And for people to think one president can change the landscape of nearly 30yrs of bad policy is just nonsense.

The president is a figurehead put forth by their party to be a temporary face/shield for their agenda. Want to make a difference? Stop reelecting congressmen and women with 5+ terms in office who do nothing but allow corporations and their lobbyists to fatten their wallets and take us to town.

Gah it doesn't matter what I say I'll get both sides blasting me so I'll stop here. :D

Sounds like the best post in the thread so far.

The president influences social/economic policy far less than most people think, but he's far from a "figurehead."
 
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So what type of gift will Obama have for Steve and what will steve have for Obama?


Hmmmm if I could make a suggestion.....HOW BOUT A GIANT FLAMING BAG OF DOG CRAP.!! The only reason he wants to meet with him is because he's the worlds largest Apple fanboy. Just using his position as president to rub elbows with the great ones. Well the great ones that are foolish enough to do so that is. Honestly I am extremely disappointed in Jobs for accepting this offer.
 
There's no way any sane individual would have endorsed McCain, you could have got President "I can see Russia from my house" Palin if McCain had died.

I think she was stressing the point that Russia is a neighbor via the straits of Bering, while most people think of Russia as a far-flung Eurasian country.

Imagine a Englishman saying 1940 that the battlefield is on another continent, and then another Englishman responding that he can see the smoke from a battle across the channel... The point isn't "I can see France from my House" but rather "the battlefield isn't as far away as you think".

What does that even mean?

It means that not all "economists" are for market capitalism. For example, Karl Marx is considered an economist, although we all know he was a Communist. Obama is using Keynesian economics as the basis/explanation for his actions, and the Economist follows the same economic theory.
 
Barry: Hey Steve
Steve: Hey Barry, how's tricks
Barry: Ah well, not that amazing you know. Recession, crazy people, u know?
Steve: I know a lot of crazy people myself! They are assembling in front of my house and pray to me every night. It's mind boggling.
Barry: *sighs* Ah, the good olde times, but they've now all turned into angry hockey moms and construction workers who think that we should have given the money to the rich rather than to the banks.. oh wait, isn't that the same? I dunno, I get confused by them sometimes. So, how do you do it, how would you run the country?
Steve: I tax the **** out of my followers, and they are ok with it. Must be my turtleneck. Maybe you should try one too. I am a big fashion icon you know.
Barry: *annoyed* Look, just lend me that RDF generator again, it worked so well in 2008.
Steve: Nah, I might need it myself soon when those cheeky Android bastards will catch up. I'll ask Q if he can get me another one. But I think he died a while ago, so I can't guarantee that I'll get him on the phone.
Barry: Fine. Could you give me at least a few billion $$? You seem to have trouble finding a purpose for them.
Steve: *bewildered* So that they'll end up in Lloyd Blankfein's bank account? No way, I hate that piece of ...
Barry: I hate his guts too but I'm not allowed to say that. Sometimes I just want to hire Putin. He knows how to deal with nasty rich guys. *dreamingly*
Steve: Yeah it sucks. I could give you an iPhone 5 if you want to.
Barrie: That's the least you can do, dude! I've been holding my iPhone 4 wrong, and it annoyed the hell out of me. So I gave it to Rahm. He was so pissed off that he quit. Damn.
Steve: You should have given him your old Blackberry.
Barry: Nah, please. I would never do that to Rahmy. I gave the old brick to Karl Rove, he deserved some tough love. And see, now his people hate him. I am awesome.
Steve: I am more awesome.
Barry: I can kill you with drone right now. That's even awesomer.
Steve: Wouldn't they ask questions?
Barry: Nah. They would say you were trying to eat a pretzel. That's what they did last time. Too bad it didn't work.
Steve: *frowns* I'm not even allowed to eat pretzels!
Barry: Whatever. Gotta run. Thanks for the iPhone.
Steve: One more thing...
Barry: Oh please, that's really getting old.
Steve: Did you hire Ray Ozzie? That was a great move.
Barry: Nah that was probably Larry Ellison, he can pull that kinda thing better than me.
Steve: He should be president.
Barry: Yeah, we haven't had an ****** running the country for quite a while. But he might die in a sailing accident. At least that's what Rahm told me.
Steve: Whatever. Take my stevePad, I love the pictures it takes and that I copy with my USB stick to to my iMac after my Skype sessions with my mum.
Barry: Ok that'll do. See ya
Steve: Stay strong, bro.
 
Steve will definitely sell at least few hundred iPads for Obama administration!

He is a great Salesman!
 
The president influences social/economic policy far less than most people think, but he's far from a "figurehead."

I'm pretty sure you know what I mean. Bush fit the image the party wanted itself to be represented by and pushed hard for him to get the nomination and win the election in 2000. Same thing with Obama in 2008. He was polar opposite of the regime that held power for nearly a decade.

They are faces that match the party's agenda. Yes they make policy, and can try to enforce, it but look at how successful Obama has been with his own party! He can try to push whatever he deems best, but if his party disagrees with him it isn't going to happen, they just won't vote for it.

BAH! I knew I'd get sucked in.. must run away now...
 
Keep searching obama.
One day you'll find the wizard who knows how to work this stupid economy thing that people seem to care about so much.
 
Christine O'Donnell is far more in need of a copy.

It's actually much more nuanced than that. The French model of Laïcité is far different from the US model often called "separation of church and state".

Wikipedia said:
In the United States, the First Amendment to the Constitution contains a similar concept, although the term "laicity" is not used either in the Constitution or elsewhere, and is in fact used as a term to contrast European secularism with American secularism. In his opus Democracy in America, Alexis de Tocqueville notes the synergy between religion and democracy in the United States, and decries what he sees as the excesses of laïcité and anti-clericalism among French democrats. Similarly, a modern French commentator, philosopher and a drafter of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Jacques Maritain, noted the distinction between the models found in France and in the mid-twentieth century US. He considered the US model to be more amicable, because it had both "sharp distinction and actual cooperation" between church and state, what he called "an historical treasure", and he admonished the US: "Please to God that you keep it carefully, and do not let your concept of separation veer round to the European one."

That amendment includes clauses prohibiting both governmental interference with the "free exercise" of religion, and governmental "establishment" of religion. These clauses have been held by the courts to apply to both the federal and state governments. Together, the "free exercise clause" and "establishment clause" are considered to accomplish a "separation of church and state."

The constitutional clause precluding the US Government from establishing a religion is far weaker and pales in comparison to the 1905 French law on the Separation of the Churches and the State.

I think that is the point she was making.
 
Obama's lack of real world experience is showing and damaging the country - he is all about sound bites and votes - can't comprehend how the real economy operates.

I was so disgusted with Bush, the Republicans and the horrible bouncing of the wall campaign that McCain ran that I voted for Obama - thought he couldn't be any worse.

Was I ever so wrong......

Thanks for manning up! You are the first person that I have heard to actually admit voting for him.

It's a trap!!!!! Steve stay away!!!!!! You don't need Obama's involvement and suggestions.

Obama will want to give Steve some advise, and Tarp $.

Maybe Obama will learn something. Like how to run a country.

Not possible. He will try to teach Steve about how to spread propaganda, oh wait...

Give Obama an iPad with the Constitution on it. Maybe then he will read it.

I doubt it.

How has Obama been worse? If it weren't for him we'd be in a true economic depression right now. Perhaps you've also forgotten how horrible Bush was at diplomacy.

We are in the "bust" part of the economic cycle and its going to take time to get out of it.

Keep selling that. Economics major? Or advertising?
 
I think she was stressing the point that Russia is a neighbor via the straits of Bering, while most people think of Russia as a far-flung Eurasian country.

Yes, but the thing is that no-one actually lives in that part of Russia.

The closest substantial settlements are Sapparo, Japan, Harbin, China and Vladivostok Russia. All of which are thousands of miles away from Alaska.

Imagine a Englishman saying 1940 that the battlefield is on another continent, and then another Englishman responding that he can see the smoke from a battle across the channel... The point isn't "I can see France from my House" but rather "the battlefield isn't as far away as you think".

Well people actually live in northern France.

Obama is using Keynesian economics as the basis/explanation for his actions, and the Economist follows the same economic theory.

And?

What the hell are you smoking? How about some proof of this argument.

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