Barclays Says Second-Generation iPhone X Could Have Smaller Notch

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    Apple will launch a trio of new iPhone models later this year with a second-generation TrueDepth camera system, which will potentially be reduced in size, according to a research note issued today by analysts Andrew Gardiner, Hiral Patel, Joseph Wolf, and Blayne Curtis at investment bank Barclays.


    While the analysts believe the new TrueDepth system will only "evolve slightly," they predict it could allow for a "smaller notch" on the 2018 range of iPhones with Face ID, which is rumored to include a second-generation iPhone X, a larger iPhone X Plus, and an all-new mid-range 6.1-inch LCD model.

    MacRumors obtained a copy of the research note, which also corroborates rumors about Apple extending Face ID to the iPad Pro this year:
    A smaller notch would be a welcomed change for critics of the iPhone X design, but it remains to be seen if it will happen so soon. An earlier rumor suggested the notch won't be reduced in size until 2019 or later, and it's generally expected that 2018 iPhones will look virtually identical to the iPhone X.

    The prevailing thought is that Apple doesn't want to deal with the type of delays it faced with the iPhone X last year, and by keeping the hardware relatively unchanged, suppliers could avoid some retooling. However, it's certainly possible the TrueDepth camera system could be slightly shrunk down this year.

    Beyond this year, the Barclays analysts believe Apple is "working hard" on a rear-facing TrueDepth camera system for future iPhones. The technology could be ready by 2019, but it sounds too far out to know for certain.
    The rear-facing TrueDepth camera system would pave the way for expanded augmented reality capabilities on iPhones. Apple has repeatedly expressed a profound interest in augmented reality, and recently highlighted some use cases of the technology in areas like education and gaming with a new page on its website.

    Bloomberg News previously reported that Apple is exploring rear-facing 3D sensing, to be added to iPhones as early as 2019, while KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo agrees the technology won't be ready in 2018, so there does appear to be consensus about back-and-front TrueDepth being a next-year feature.

    Apple's trio of new iPhones should be announced in September as usual, while the new iPad Pro with Face ID could debut in June.

    Article Link: Barclays Says Second-Generation iPhone X Could Have Smaller Notch
  2. Baymowe335 macrumors 68030

    Oct 6, 2017
    The 2018 X and X Plus will break records and FaceID will continue to be a success and loved by people who actually OWN the phone.
  3. mtneer macrumors 68030


    Sep 15, 2012
    Does this mean that Apple would move to a camera based FaceID like the One Plus???
  4. naturalstar macrumors 6502a


    Mar 9, 2012
    For the love of everything, PLEASE let this be true.
  5. alms macrumors member

    Oct 16, 2003
    What are the safety implications for the human eye of a rear-facing true depth camera? Makes no sense.
  6. timborama macrumors 6502


    Oct 12, 2011
    And 3rd gen will have NO notch (and Touch ID under glass).
  7. I7guy macrumors P6


    Nov 30, 2013
    Gotta be in it to win it
    Smaller notch makes sense as electronics are streamlined. But Touch ID is gone and gone.
  8. KazKam macrumors 6502


    Oct 25, 2011
    Don't want a smaller notch. Want NO notch, and no rounded corners while we're at it. I'm perfectly fine with a "forehead" and "chin" for sensors. Also still want a home button. We have an X for app testing, and so many touch gestures to remember with no reference. I find the X frustrating and gimmicky.

    I sure hope they have a successor to the 8 or I guess I'll be buying a year old phone... I guess it'll cheaper at least.
  9. Drogba11 macrumors member

    Jan 29, 2018
    How about no notch and touch ID with OLED screen? I don't want Fail ID
  10. democracyrules macrumors 6502a

    Nov 18, 2016
    Second. Face ID is the latest technology, while Touch ID is a historical technology. Adaption to a new technology can be a challenge for some.
  11. T-Will macrumors 6502a


    Sep 8, 2008
    Touch ID is dead people.

    Face ID is the future, but has potential for a lot of improvement (speed of scanning, ability to scan in landscape, wider angle scanning, embed behind screen, etc.).

    I don't see Apple making changes to the Face ID hardware this year, when they have perfectly good hardware. Just like Touch ID, it will probably remain the same for a couple years before they improve it.
  12. Baymowe335 macrumors 68030

    Oct 6, 2017
    We'll get you a headphone jack and a Betamax too.

    Ain't coming back, buddy. Time to move on.
  13. themick4u macrumors 6502


    Oct 9, 2014
    South Florida
    How about NO notch? I'd honestly prefer a horizontal bar across the entire top as long as it was thinner than the original X
  14. Baymowe335 macrumors 68030

    Oct 6, 2017
    Tough nuggets. They aren't going to completely redesign a year later. There will be no forehead and chin. Get used to it, or go Android.
  15. b11051973 macrumors 6502

    Apr 8, 2006
    People still care about the notch? I've had my X since day one. I don't even notice it.
  16. partydorm macrumors member


    May 29, 2009
    Los Angeles, California
    In-display fingerprint sensor it the future, let the ugly notch rest in peace.
  17. DNichter macrumors 604


    Apr 27, 2015
    Philadelphia, PA
    Fine by me. Ultimately it makes no difference in the use of the phone, but have at it.
  18. recoil80 macrumors 68020

    Jul 16, 2014
    What's the point of having the notch if it gets smaller? How much space do you gain on the ears? Once they can get the sensor in a smaller footprint they can get rid of the notch and just leave a tiny bezel on top
  19. djeeyore25 macrumors 6502


    Dec 23, 2014
    New York City
    Replace the notch with a headphone jack. That'll wipe out two years of complaints.
  20. DanielDD macrumors 6502

    Apr 5, 2013
    I want a notcheless design, not a smaller notch. I guess I'll stick around with my 8 Plus until Apple makes one
  21. gugy macrumors 68030


    Jan 31, 2005
    La Jolla, CA
    I’ll miss Touch ID. It’s a pretty convenient feature.
  22. OldSchoolMacGuy Suspended


    Jul 10, 2008
    BREAKING NEWS: Technology in future products may be more compact and smaller than previous technology, just as all technology has since the beginning!

    Experts predict that tech will also get faster thanks to some obscure law by a guy named Moore.
  23. jermwhl, Feb 14, 2018
    Last edited: Feb 14, 2018

    jermwhl macrumors regular


    Sep 29, 2014
    San Diego, CA
    Can’t please everyone all the time, that’s for sure. I don’t notice the notch at all. Forgot about it 15 minutes after using my phone. I actually like the rounded corners as well. I thought my biggest hang up was going to be adapting to gestures instead of a home button, but that was figured out within the first day as well. If you still haven’t figured out the gestures, I’d agree with you, you may want to switch to something else.

    Also, since you claimed there was no reference to gestures:
  24. NightFox, Feb 14, 2018
    Last edited: Feb 14, 2018

    NightFox macrumors 68020


    May 10, 2005
    Shropshire, UK
    I’ve never understood where people who want a totally bezel-less phone think the camera will go. If you’re going to accept a bezel at the top to house the camera (and sensors), why not maximise the screen real estate by reducing that top bezel as much as you can with ‘ears’ on either side?

    The alternative to the notch isn’t bezel-less, it’s a full-width bezel at the top.
  25. lyngo macrumors 6502a

    Sep 10, 2007
    I notice it, but it’s not an annoyance or hindrance whatsoever. I’m more “annoyed” by the rounded corners, but even that isn’t too horrible. The X as a whole is a freakin’ incredible device.

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