Apple IS out to mislead people as if not they would tell us all what they did and why, they would not be telling us this is faster and better when it clearly is not. Stop defending Apple.
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Base 13-Inch MacBook Pro With M2 Chip Has Significantly Slower SSD Speeds
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That makes it all the worse as it shows what utter distaste Apple has for customers.
He's been less objective. This is before the M-series chips came out. He was one of these guys pushing people to buy older Mac and fix them up themselves. For tech savvy people, plus dealing with cutting open certain sealed Macs, sure, there's nothing wrong with being thrifty. I enjoy a challenge, cracking up my late 2018 Mac mini was fun, but my late 2012 21-inch iMac... no thank you. I was thrilled when my iMac G3 SE could do 1GB, it was a huge boost when I did the upgrade in 2004.
Pure experimentation? He claims he knows how these Macs work, he passes himself off as an expert. Hector Martin put Luke and Max Tech in their place with his findings and him stripping through the system to build Asahi Linux for M-powered Macs.
He was almost as bad as the one YouTuber who purchased an M1 MacBook Pro in late 2020. She focused specifically on the Da Vinci beta and said "I cannot recommend these new Macs at all," then went into how users should just build an AMD-powered Mac. Even though the software was in beta and was not optimized at all for the M1 machine.
Only on Mac Rumors would people express outrage over a slower SSD with the base model. This machine is designed for people who are coming from an Intel Mac---this machine will be plenty fast.
Apple's pinching pennies, but they didn't get all the money they have by spending like a drunken sailor.
So will last years M1 MacBook Pro or the AIR that they still sell. Chances are with just 8GB, swap will be be even faster in those older models
So not sure what your point is
No, it just shows that in all likelihood performance of large sequential R/W won't matter has you are unlikely to use 256GB of storage with files weighing 1GB+
Old tech.....shouldnt cost end user..a few dollars more..works out for everyone
Exactly. For all the premium they command they owe it to users to be “the best” on launch day.
I don’t necessarily mean being better than their competition, I mean at LEAST best last years model. That’s not too much to ask at $300 more is it?
The term is marketing BS... highly successful marketing BS, that cons stupid people into spending more money than the item is actually worth.
Marketing BS works. Works very well.
Apple's crap? The Macbook Air is better than most ~$1,000 computers out there from Dell/HP/Lenovo. The 14"/16" M1 Max laptops are better than my RTX 3080 Ti in some video editing workflows. So this single product 13" Macbook Pro is an issue - which IMO should not even be purchased in the first place. Bad design, bad touchbar.
Again people complaining about the price -- look at the entire industry as a whole. Look at $1,300 Dell/HP/Lenovo systems. They are absolutely horrible! Crappy integrated intel GPUs, horrible screens, same 8GB RAM i3 processor. It has been a LONG LONG LONG time since $1,300 was a "premium" product/price.
This is just hating on Apple because its Apple. It is very common in the PC space to see 8/256 at $1,300. Heck, here is a Dell our company was looking at and its over $2,000.
I really don't understand the hate here for 8/256 config. I would honestly prefer that with a better screen and internals (Mac) vs this crappy Dell here that will just heat up like crazy with that crappy Intel and that horrible intel integrated graphics.
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I think people are making a mountain out of a mole hill on this. I still have a "professional" system that not only has SATA SSD, but SATA 2 speeds (2010 Mac Pro). You cannot argue that its not a professional system regardless of the very "slow" ~220 MB/s speeds on my SSDs.
This being said, I think they should just remove the 13" Macbook Pro. Regardless how people feel about the "Pro" in the name, its just not a good product in general.
Given that it‘s 256GB, Apple may have a good excuse: Long-term availability or pricing of NAND chips. I‘d not be surprised if 128GB NAND chips are much more expensive per GB than their 256 counterparts.That said, 256GB is the same base storage as my early 2013 MacBook Pro 13“ inch had - a soon 10-year old computer.
👉 IMO, the really „hard to excuse“ thing isn’t the SSD speeds - it’s offering 256GB base storage on a Pro Model in 2022/2023 - considering their notebooks aren’t typically issued as mere office machines by corporate IT departments. Unlike…
I mean, they’ve got service and customisation options that Apple would laugh in your face if you’d ask them.
I don’t think it’s „deprecated technology“ It’s probably just that your NVMe SSD do use more than one NAND chip to achieve higher throughput - unlike Apple.
👉 IMO, the really „hard to excuse“ thing isn’t the SSD speeds - it’s offering 256GB base storage on a Pro Model in 2022/2023 - considering their notebooks aren’t typically issued as mere office machines by corporate IT departments. Unlike…
…this Dell machine, whose service options clearly do target the enterprise market.
I mean, they’ve got service and customisation options that Apple would laugh in your face if you’d ask them.
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The issue is the new M2 base model is worse than the M1 base model it replaced. Technology is supposed to improve each generation not go backwards.
They accumulated all their money by screwing customers over with unjustified price hikes. With the exception of maybe the AirPods, nothing Apple sells right now is worth the price tag.
Don’t know where you are looking but you can get a very decent Dell for £1400 in the UK.
I looked recently and was able to get a 12th Gen i7, 32GB DDR5 4800MHz RAM, 1TB PCIE 4.0 SSD, 240Hz 4K display and Nvidia 3070 Ti GPU for £1400.
This makes Apple pricing a maxed out Air for £2149 look even more ridiculous.
Difference is other companies will have sales and actually reduce prices on old technologies. Apple kept the trash can Mac Pro around for 6 years without a price drop.
This thread, as expected did not disappoint from those who fail to see any fault with what Apple does.
Apple could probably get away with sticking eMCC in there and the old faithful will say it’s fine because the M2 CPU is faster and that means it will be better for “most people”.
In fact, now that this thread is out there I would not be surprised if we see sata SSD equivalent storage speeds on the base M2 Air.
Apple could probably get away with sticking eMCC in there and the old faithful will say it’s fine because the M2 CPU is faster and that means it will be better for “most people”.
In fact, now that this thread is out there I would not be surprised if we see sata SSD equivalent storage speeds on the base M2 Air.
my techie knowledge isn't up to snuff, but I'd find it funny if the "odd" 24GB configuaration of the upcoming 2022 MBA would lead into slower RAM performance too
Careful that starts a war with the hardcore Touchbar fans. Ask me how I know [delicately massages bruises and scars].
I’ve noticed that safari no longer keeps me logged in after this post was published. Thanks @nfl_brah, you’ve obviously upset Tim Apple.
It's weird that you are making this statement when it's one of the things that has made Apple successful (and is Tim Cook's bread and butter after all) and most people simply aren't going to notice the difference (ie: 256gb is 256gb at the end of the day).