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For everyone saying it wont be noticeable, I am not an expert but if you open a file or an app and it takes double the time to read the file, how can it not be noticeable? Okay, the new Mac will feel snappier because of the smell of the new device and the placebo effect but sorry, I don't bite it. It will be slower.
It will be noticeable when doing productive works like video editing that is the top target from MacBook Pro.
 
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Not really - 1.4GB/sec is hardly slow.

It’s not slow per se, but it’s arguably weak for a model in 2022 with “Pro” in its name.


Yes and people are forgetting that the RAM bandwidth has been doubled to 100 GBPS on this new MBP M2.

It’s 50% faster, not 100%, but yes.

For everyone saying it wont be noticeable, I am not an expert but if you open a file or an app and it takes double the time to read the file, how can it not be noticeable? Okay, the new Mac will feel snappier because of the smell of the new device and the placebo effect but sorry, I don't bite it. It will be slower.

First: it’ll be slower. Whether that’s noticeable is harder to say.

For one, performance depends on multiple factors. The SSD is not the only bottleneck when launching an app. (In fact, macOS has a rather convoluted flow at this point, in order to do things like check Gatekeeper. Much of that isn’t sped up by a faster SSD.)

And second, sure, a 3 GiB/s disk will theoretically open a 3 GiB file in one second, when a 1.4 GiB/s disk will take more than twice as long, and over a second more is noticeable. But that’s typically not the scenario. You’ll be opening far smaller sizes, almost always.
 
Not really - 1.4GB/sec is hardly slow.

I'd happily have the "slow" one if it's a hundred bucks cheaper - which it probably is.

Don't forget MacOS caches files in RAM if possible. There won't be any difference when that's happening.

It’s not slow until you run out of RAM and need to swap.

68 GB/sec down to 1.4 GB/sec
 
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Perhaps there are no chips available anymore that offer sufficiently low capacity for Apple‘s entry model storage sizes…
 
Perhaps there are no chips available anymore that offer sufficiently low capacity for Apple‘s entry model storage sizes…

Meanwhile, every iPhone and iPad Pro in the lineup offers a 128GB option with next day delivery, including iPhone SE. Don’t forget 64GB.

Do you seriously think all the flash suppliers said, “We know Apple uses 128GB chips in virtually all their products. Let’s play and joke and kill our revenue by cutting production of those chips.”
 
So much misery and whining here! even 1,450 MB/s is screamingly fast. No one who buys this machine will ever notice and no one who worries about disk speed will buy this model anyway/ Just more FUD for MF
Sure, people were also saying how fast the A12X/Z iPad Pros, until Apple themselves decided that they are not fast enough for their "satisfaction." Just wait for macOS15 or 16, and start seeing some features being held back on these models and Apple claimed it's due to the SSD performance not up to their "satisfaction." Apple got away with it already, so they will use the same excuse again.
 
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A small thing, but again something that happens when a company grows larger than it should for its own benefit. Sad to see Apple isn't the exception we once hoped for.
 
For everyone saying it wont be noticeable, I am not an expert but if you open a file or an app and it takes double the time to read the file, how can it not be noticeable? Okay, the new Mac will feel snappier because of the smell of the new device and the placebo effect but sorry, I don't bite it. It will be slower.
Let's see what the same people are saying when Apple start cutting features off because the SSD on this macs are not up to their "satisfaction."
 
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It will be noticeable when doing productive works like video editing that is the top target from MacBook Pro.
This is a really silly scenario.

Say you got the 256GB model with the intent of editing material that is heavy enough where you start caring about internal disk I/O.

That would imply heavy multi-camera editing with each stream at least 4K 30fps 884Mbit/s ProResHQ 422 (that is 110MB/s, btw) which would limit you to only having about 13 streams available for simultaneous real-time playback. Never mind that even the M2 would likely croak from the workload regardless.

One hour of such footage would be 396GB, never mind having 12 of those files. Hencefourth you're not sitting on a 256GB M2 Macbook Pro editing on the internal disk regardless.

But I don't want to come off as trying to defend Apple here. This was a CHEAP move. They could have easily started off on 512GB base storage, offered full bandwidth and still made bank on the laptop. Objevtively speaking, it is a downgrade, and I suspect the casual users will notice this more than the pros, what with wake from sleep and disk swapping (8GB macbook's favourite thing to do) now having less bandwidth available.
 
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But I don't want to come off as trying to defend Apple here. This was a CHEAP move. They could have easily started off on 512GB base storage, offered full bandwidth and still made bank on the laptop. Objevtively speaking, it is a downgrade, and I suspect the casual users will notice this more than the pros, what with wake from sleep and disk swapping (8GB macbook's favourite thing to do) now having less bandwidth available.
A very smart planned obsolesce. Intentionally equip the base pre-configured model (traditionally the best selling model) with 8GB RAM and now with slower storage, and watch consumers feeling the slowdowns in a few years when the swapping keeps occurring.

No wonder Apple is making so much money.
 
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Perhaps there are no chips available anymore that offer sufficiently low capacity for Apple‘s entry model storage sizes…
This excuse has been debunked multiple times. Besides, Apple buy their components in advance. This is intentional as a cost cutting measure.
 
I’m starting to think we should stop putting so much faith in benchmarks. The benchmarks in my mini i7 with two displays was misleading from YouTubers without using an eGPU when I was shopping a few years ago.

Also, MaxTech is such a clown after the whole Mac Studio, “upgradable SSD” nonsense him and Luke Miani were running with on YouTube. They have zero grasp on engineering and rarely rate things for real world users, the use cases are their own.

My recommendations, just wait for Rene Ritcher, LinusTech and Kevin Ross. Especially the last one, he’s incredibly honest in the tests he runs and tries to fit most use case scenarios for consumers. Could be a possibility they might be a bad patch of chips too.
MaxTech do incredibly in-depth technical reviews, analysis & comparisons. Stuff a potential buyer needs to know anyway.

Rene Richie is not a good reviewer. He's gone more "click bait" over the last year or so anyway with some really poor content. He needs to go back to quality over quantity. If I wanted to watch a good honest review I wouldn't watch the likes of him & iJustine licking & fawning all over the hardware.

In this case, the benchmarks reveal Apple has gimped the brand new MacBook Pro 13 with vastly inferior storage. That's definitely news and something Apple needs to be held accountable for.
 
This is a really silly scenario.

Say you got the 256GB model with the intent of editing material that is heavy enough where you start caring about internal disk I/O.

That would imply heavy multi-camera editing with each stream at least 4K 30fps 884Mbit/s ProResHQ 422 (that is 110MB/s, btw) which would limit you to only having about 13 streams available for simultaneous real-time playback. Never mind that even the M2 would likely croak from the workload regardless.

One hour of such footage would be 396GB, never mind having 12 of those files. Hencefourth you're not sitting on a 256GB M2 Macbook Pro editing on the internal disk regardless.

Right. The market segment for the 13-inch Pro is slim enough as it is; people who need ProRes probably won't use it.
 
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