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Base 2019 13-Inch MacBook Pro is Up to 83% Faster Than Previous Generation in Benchmarks

dumastudetto said:
I did once, but I'm now all in on the iPad Pro lifestyle.
Once you embrace the future, you'll never want to go back.
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If I show up for work with an iPad, I'd be out of a job.

Great that your job can be done on one, but there are many jobs out there that require something more powerful and more flexible.
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fokmik said:
Let us work with Maya on ipad pro people !! let the whole tripleA game industry work on ipad pro and so on etc etc
HAhahaha, this thing become hilarious :))
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God, the horror.

I'd love a fully featured ZBrush on an iPad Pro though. Maybe the new ZBrush5 rewrite Pixologic has been working for so long will allow them a pathway to iPadOS. (One can dream.)
 
infiniteentropy said:
Does nobody remember the 2018 13" MBP with Quad Core? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. I know it exists because I've done work on one before.

What's going on? That 2017 Dual Core wasn't the latest revision of the 13" MacBook Pro.

Added link to show what I'm talking about: https://support.apple.com/kb/SP775?locale=en_US
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This is an update to the lowest end 13” MBP with NO Touch Bar.

Since 2016, there’s been two lines if 13” MBPs - one with a Touch Bar and one without. The one without a Touch Bar hasn’t been updated since 2017, until now (and now includes the Touch Bar).
 
macduke said:
It will be interesting to see how the platform progresses, but I don't think it can be completely written off any longer for professional work, as you seem to suggest. It all depends on what you do.
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Personally I'm hoping Apple will aim the iPad Pro even further toward creative professionals. So far they've managed to make quite an impact with artists and illustrators when they introduced the Apple Pencil. It's bringing a lot of creatives into the Apple eco-sphere.
A product I'm personally very eager to see Apple develop is a much larger iPad Pro to compete directly with the Wacom Cintiq tablets. The drawing experience is far superior on the iPad (no pen-tip to pixel gap), which is remarkable considering Wacom's been at it for decades and Apple is a newcomer here. A 30-40" iPad drawing tablet (with Apple designed stand/VESA mount) would just be incredible and blow any Wacom Cintiq out of the water. Of course I'm aware that it's a tiny segment of a tiny market, but if Dell can do it with their Canvas product, so could Apple. Here's to hoping.
 
Ronald Reagan said:
My iPad Pro 12.9” (2018) has a multicore score of 17,719 and a single core score of 5,024.
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It does ? But the work flow
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infiniteentropy said:
Does nobody remember the 2018 13" MBP with Quad Core? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. I know it exists because I've done work on one before.

What's going on? That 2017 Dual Core wasn't the latest revision of the 13" MacBook Pro.

Added link to show what I'm talking about: https://support.apple.com/kb/SP775?locale=en_US
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Lollllll
 
PickUrPoison said:
What an interesting post! Although I wouldn’t necessarily call our doctors, nurses and medical assistants here “creative professionals”, the technical merits were all that mattered when the decision was made to utilize the iPad platform.

I really don’t think they place the same “value of being seen with an apple product” on it that you do; perhaps you overestimate it? Hard to say I guess.
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There was a little sarcasm in there....

I actually think the ipad has a lot of potential, but is being held back severely by the OS and the identity imprinted on it by Apple. I bought a 12.9 to try as a computer replacement; the ipad is ready, but Apple isnt. I sent it back.

But if you work entirely within an app designed for the ipad, im sure you can utilize its strengths. Im sure it is great. But for my work, i have to juggle browsers and apps, moving files back and forth, because my company refuses to develop an app...so ipads are not the answer for me. (They insist what we do is too complicated for mobile devices...which was true in 1990 when they designed their website.....)

Anyway, i have seen ipads in the wild being used as productivity devices, and im sure they are good in those cases. But let us be honest; that was never what apple designed them for. They are ment for consuming media.
 
LuciusWrong said:
There was a little sarcasm in there....

I actually think the ipad has a lot of potential, but is being held back severely by the OS and the identity imprinted on it by Apple. I bought a 12.9 to try as a computer replacement; the ipad is ready, but Apple isnt. I sent it back.

But if you work entirely within an app designed for the ipad, im sure you can utilize its strengths. Im sure it is great. But for my work, i have to juggle browsers and apps, moving files back and forth, because my company refuses to develop an app...so ipads are not the answer for me. (They insist what we do is too complicated for mobile devices...which was true in 1990 when they designed their website.....)

Anyway, i have seen ipads in the wild being used as productivity devices, and im sure they are good in those cases. But let us be honest; that was never what apple designed them for. They are ment for consuming media.
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[doublepost=1562910510][/doublepost]How many apps take advantage of 4 cores? Single thread performance is what you need to look at for most things. Its not that impressive and only shines a light on multi-score.
 
Never mind (at least for me) an iPad vs an MBP for office productivity tasks—I find even a 15" i7 MBP both too slow and too small for optimum use of MS Office. I frequently get spinning beachballs when working in Word and Excel. And even my 27" external monitor is sometimes too small when comparing multiple documents in Word, or working with large spreadsheets in Excel.

When I'm coding, or working on complex Word documents, I'll sometimes put my monitor into portrait mode, to get that awesome 23.5" vertical screen dimension. It would be great if I had a 16:10 retina (220 ppi) screen with that as its vertical dimension in landscape mode! [That would work out to a 48" 9.5K monitor—ha!] Unlikely that's going to happen anytime soon, but perhaps in the near future we'll see an 8K 16:10 monitor with retina resolution which, at 220 ppi, works out to a 40" diagonal.

Yeah, I know, I'm on the wrong subforum.
 
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manu chao said:
Do you know why Intel calls them "Products formerly Coffee Lake"?

It seems the base CPU speed for the 15-W TDP parts dropped significantly once they went quad-core (i5 versions):
  • 7360U, Kaby Lake, 2.3 GHz (3.6 GHz Turbo), dual-core, Iris Plus 640, Q1 '17, used in 2017 2-TB port MBP
  • 8350U, Kaby Lake R, 1.7 GHz (3.6 GHz Turbo), quad-core, UHD 620, Q3 '17
  • 8365U, Whiskey Lake, 1.6 GHz (4.1 GHz Turbo), quad-core, UHD 620, Q2 '19
  • 8257U, Coffee Lake, 1.4 GHz (3.9 GHz Turbo), quad-core, Iris Plus 645, Q3 '19, used in 2019 2-TB port MBP
Note that there are also 7260U, 8250U, and 8265U that are slightly lower clocked (but otherwise the same as the 7360U, 8350U, and 8365U) but there is no 8357U part. Maybe going quad-core and having an Iris Plus required that small concession.

Apple clearly wanted the Iris Plus, maybe adding it is part of the reason why the clock rates slightly dropped compared to the Kaby Lake R and Whiskey Lake versions. Otherwise, the differences between the three eight-gen processors are pretty slim.
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Absolutely. There were no Iris Plus options on Kaby Lake R hence why the dual-core Kaby Lake Surface Pro 5 (2017) has a better iGPU than the Quad Core 2018 Surface Pro 6 (Iris Plus versus HD 620). Looks Like intel resolved now with these "new" parts
 
MikeSmoke said:
It is interesting that Intel is making customized variants of its chips exclusively for Apple. I would really like to know what’s up with that.
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They've done it in the past. Remember when Steve jobs announced the first MacBook air? He mentioned they'd been working with intel in order to have a custom chip that fit the tiny internals of the MacBook air.
 
MikeSmoke said:
It is interesting that Intel is making customized variants of its chips exclusively for Apple. I would really like to know what’s up with that.
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There's a long history of both Intel and AMD making custom chips for many of their biggest customers. This includes not only Apple/HP/Dell, but also clients with large data centers that want custom server chips, like Facebook and Google:
https://www.wired.com/2012/09/intel-amd-custom-chips/
 
With all due respect: I do think that this all is quite misleading.

Apple didn’t update any No Touchbar MBP 13’’. That one’s gone. Apple killed it and lowered the specs and price of the existing MBP 13’’ with touchbar (2 TB instead of 4, lower cpu/gpu, 128 GB ssd).

I rather would like to understand how it compares to the 4TB MBP 13’’...
 
LuciusWrong said:
There was a little sarcasm in there....

I actually think the ipad has a lot of potential, but is being held back severely by the OS and the identity imprinted on it by Apple. I bought a 12.9 to try as a computer replacement; the ipad is ready, but Apple isnt. I sent it back.

But if you work entirely within an app designed for the ipad, im sure you can utilize its strengths. Im sure it is great. But for my work, i have to juggle browsers and apps, moving files back and forth, because my company refuses to develop an app...so ipads are not the answer for me. (They insist what we do is too complicated for mobile devices...which was true in 1990 when they designed their website.....)

Anyway, i have seen ipads in the wild being used as productivity devices, and im sure they are good in those cases. But let us be honest; that was never what apple designed them for. They are ment for consuming media.
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I did pick up on your sarcasm, as you likely did mine ;) But I think we’re probably not all that far away from being on the same page. Certainly the raw power of the iPad has yet to be unleashed and can’t really be properly harnessed or much exploited due to shortcomings in the OS. But iPadOS 13 and also the switch to USB-C on the Pro models is meant to address many of the limitations that have heretofore impeded the iPad’s ability to live up to its potential.

However I think defining the iPad as a media consumption device is a little too narrow even in the 2012/2013 timeframe, if you look at the apps that were available then. Writers wrote, musicians made music, artists created, people used pages/numbers/keynote and email in business (and at home), edited movies in iMovie (introduced in 2011), etc.

None of these applications can be described as media consumption. Certainly with the release of iPad Pro in 2015, Apple was beginning to transition the platform to one where tablet computers were starting to catch up to traditional desktops and laptops in power, as well as their suitability as a productivity device for business/corporate use.

Obviously there are those who don’t consider tablet computers to even _be_ computers, but that viewpoint is rather foolish and unsupportable, imo. I heard mini and mainframe guys make the same condescending and disparaging comments 40 years ago about what we then called microcomputers. (It took the entrance of IBM to legitimize the PC as a “real” computer.) I think some of the naysayers will be surprised at the power and capability of iPads over the next couple years. And what will they say if Apple decides to let iPads dual-boot to Mac OS?
 
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racingbull said:
With all due respect: I do think that this all is quite misleading.

Apple didn’t update any No Touchbar MBP 13’’. That one’s gone. Apple killed it and lowered the specs and price of the existing MBP 13’’ with touchbar (2 TB instead of 4, lower cpu/gpu, 128 GB ssd).
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No.

This new product has a 15W CPU, just like the non-Touch Bar model used to, and unlike the higher-end 13-inchers, which have a 28W CPU.
 
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chucker23n1 said:
No.

This new product has a 15W CPU, just like the non-Touch Bar model used to, and unlike the higher-end 13-inchers, which have a 28W CPU.
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This is exactly what I am saying. Take a 13’’ touchbar MBP and stuff in a lower spec cpu, lower spec gpu, reduce 2 TB. Pronto.
No update to the old.

There’s no other difference with the other 13’’ touchbar MBP. It’s just a lower spec touchbar MBP.
 
coolfactor said:
We need rounded corners on the screen to make it truly elegant. They've successfully done that on iPhone and iPad, and now it's time for the Mac to get that love.
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No we don’t need that. The corner of application is already round. The screen itself stays rectangular.
 
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bladerunner2000 said:
Can it connect my external drive with all my photoshop, illustrator and indesign files, go through files and folders quickly and run the Adobe Creative Suite with a mouse?

Answer: of course not. So why should I be putting my money on a gimped device that serves only as a glorified smartphone?
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But this will be possible if you have a Mac PC next to it and with iOS 13 coming later this year. You can then directly edit within photoshop on the iPad with a pencil like a Wacom.

I ‘m using this setup with an app that makes this possible called Astropad.

So from a designer perspective the iPad Pro is certainly worthy for an investment.
 
racingbull said:
This is exactly what I am saying. Take a 13’’ touchbar MBP and stuff in a lower spec cpu, lower spec gpu, reduce 2 TB. Pronto.
No update to the old.

There’s no other difference with the other 13’’ touchbar MBP. It’s just a lower spec touchbar MBP.
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If they had wanted to do that, it would have made more sense (and taken less effort) to just take a lower-end 28W CPU.

We'll see in the teardown, but my guess is this is mostly the same internal layout as the previous "MacBook Escape", just with Touch Bar and some other features added.
 
dumastudetto said:
Impressive, but iPad Pro is where you should be putting your money now.
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Really? I'd love to hear how one develops iOS/Mac native apps on the iPad Pro's equivalent of XCode. I put my money on the iPad Pro and still haven't managed to get one build out of it
 
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