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Still using my broadwell xps 13 without any issues. Far better than the Santa Rosa MBP that almost cost 3x as much.

Are you using the business grade Dell's? Or just the dirt cheap ones?

A xps is not much over $900 compared to what Apple has now is a easy choice. Especially with great ips panels, good keyboards, easy to replace batteries even though mine is perfectly fine, better warranty than Apple, published repair guides, no thermal throttling, thinner than the MacBook air at the time, memory card slot, two USB inputs, very small bezel, 10 hour battery life now was 12 when new, mini display port out that handles 4k at even 120 hertz. Better performance over the mbp I had by far.

$1200 when I got mine. Have not needed to upgrade my laptop. And when I upgrade my desktop it will definitely be a Ryzen with ecc ram over a Mac pro.
If you don’t want/need MacOS, you can save money on hardware by purchasing PCs instead of Macs.

It’s been that way for decades.
 
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I woudn't call that an upgrade. What Apple does these days to pro users is just a slap in the face. Meanwhile Nvidia is developing their studio line with a Quadro 5000 card, 2TB, 32GB ram and the i9 chip.

What do you expect from an upgrade? You can get the latest MBP with an 8-core i9, 32GB RAM, a 4TB SSD and an AMD Vega 20. Apple updated the processor from last year's 6-core to this year's 8-core and an improved keyboard (and I'm not getting into a debate about the keyboard...). AMD hasn't released a better mobile GPU yet. The SSD in the MBP is already best in class, so no improvements necessary there. 32GB RAM is current the max you can get with the existing line of Intel's mobile CPUs.

Basically, Apple updated what it could.
 
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Its funny, everyone who actually has one, loves it. Except of course the people who write-up lots of complaints in articles. Buy a sleeve, don't trust your laptop to dust in backpacks, et, and you will be fine. And, if not, free repairs for 4 years! Thats way better than Dell

My laptop is 10 years old and I still love the keyboard. Certainly I’ll keep a new machine longer than 4. I don’t have the same faith in butterfly. Failures can happen with anything but I outright expect it with this design.
 
There is a difference between Professional and Productive and thats what people for get. Yes a lot of professionals can use an iPad for what they do, but is it as productive as a laptop can be, no.

hmm.. not sure if a laptop would be more productive or necessarily as capable as the iPad in the example i gave.

but maybe we’re talking about something different?
 
In general, there's a consistent and noticeable UI lag. Most apparent when using tap-to-click on icons in system preferences or things in Finder.

I also handle a lot of Prores footage in davinci resolve and this thing totally melts when even trying to play it back let alone trying to transcode or export it.

FCP X is similar, but at least playback is smooth when set to "performance" mode instead of default "quality" mode

Render speeds on this thing remind me of my dual-core 15" MBP in 2009.

Tried working with a large-ish file in photoshop and it crashed

The only tasks this laptop is fine at are office stuff, web browsing, calling/texting, etc. It can't handle even light media work.
If you bought a MacBook Air to run Resolve, FCP X or Photoshop (working with large-ish files), you might have made the worst possible choice in the entire lineup. You do realize that machine has a 7 Watt dual-core CPU with the least powerful iGPU available, right? Please, at least tell me it has 16GB RAM :eek:

Well anyway, you would get much better performance from this new 13” MBP, but it still might not be sufficiently powerful to do what you want to do, without losing hundreds of dollars in billable hours per week (or day). The MBA is wholly unsuited to your requirements.
 
I woudn't call that an upgrade. What Apple does these days to pro users is just a slap in the face. Meanwhile Nvidia is developing their studio line with a Quadro 5000 card, 2TB, 32GB ram and the i9 chip.

The current 15” MacBook Pro has up to 32GB DRAM, up to a 4TB SSD and uses the latest and greatest 9th Gen 45w TDP CPUs...it also has the option for a Vega 16 or 20 GPU. What is your actual point? The world does not revolve around NVIDIA, contrary to what they try to make everyone else believe.

Please take that $#!7 and peddle it somewhere else.
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If you bought a MacBook Air to run Resolve, FCP X or Photoshop (working with large-ish files), you might have made the worst possible choice in the entire lineup. You do realize that machine has a 7 Watt dual-core CPU with the least powerful iGPU available, right? Please, at least tell me it has 16GB RAM :eek:

Well anyway, you would get much better performance from this new 13” MBP, but it still might not be sufficiently powerful to do what you want to do, without losing hundreds of dollars in billable hours per week (or day). The MBA is wholly unsuited to your requirements.

This recent YouTube video has me thinking the new 13” MacBook Pro might be just fine after all -

 
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Im a professional: i have a job that earns money.... :)

A "Professional" person is an often used term to describe a person who believes they are pursuing an important "career", usually an office job of some description, which usually is a bit underwhelming when described by name, but which they believe is a stepping stone toward some impressive job in their future.

Such a professional will enjoy being seen with a shiny new macbook...and may indeed have one of every apple device just to prove how professional they are!

I know of jobs where the work is all done on an ipad. Like inspection type jobs. Clearly not a "creative professional", but it pays, so professional.....

Many people underestimate the value of being seen with an apple product, and instead focus on the technical merits of said device. Silly people...
What an interesting post! Although I wouldn’t necessarily call our doctors, nurses and medical assistants here “creative professionals”, the technical merits were all that mattered when the decision was made to utilize the iPad platform.

I really don’t think they place the same “value of being seen with an apple product” on it that you do; perhaps you overestimate it? Hard to say I guess.
 
What do you expect from an upgrade? You can get the latest MBP with an 8-core i9, 32GB RAM, a 4TB SSD and an AMD Vega 20.

i got that!

(except 512 SSD.. a benefit of being a CAD user, relatively small file sizes ;-) )

idk, yeah.. definitely a sweet upgrade.. not really sure what that other dude is on about
 
No but the distinction is that much of what those BA pilots are using those iPads for could be done on a phone.

@sirozha suggestion that the iPad is useless for most pro apps is maybe a bit strong but its certainly still useless for a lot of pro apps.

Look at Apples own stuff, no Final Cut, no Logic. Now I suspect, much like Apples insistence on not selling a touchcreen Mac, that their absence is because Apple would like people to have to buy a Mac and an iPad but the iPad is still seriously lacking when it comes to professional level software.

The biggest problem for the iPad is the App Store, the economics of selling pro apps on the App Store don't make sense for a lot of developers.

Reeiiggghhttttt... so you’ve just basically stated they aren’t professionals.

Some incredibly naive comm nets on this thread I must say.
 
Noticing some battles of iPad pro vs this new MBP. I actually recently bought a 13 ipad pro returned it for the 11", as it felt too big to use as an ipad and clumsy as a laptop replacement. 11" still feels a tad big to me as a tablet, maybe because this is my first tablet, but I often feel I'd rather just use my phone unless I want the keyboard and a larger display. No matter if you're using the Apple folio keyboard (big weaknesses no back lit keys, price and doesn't protect from falls) or the Logitech keyboard, (heavy, bulky and hard to get in and out of) I'm really in a trying to figure out what makes the most sense, ipad pro or macbook.

I'm definitely not a power user not doing video editing but I like organizing my music with smart playlist which only Mac Os can do currently and most likely going forward which seems really odd but that's Apple for you.

Macbook air probably makes the most sense but the pro has a better display, only cost $250 more, is more, powerful and thus should be a bit more future proof (I keep my macbooks a loooonnng time). But then these butterfly keyboards sound terrible are they that bad?

iPad pros also get a pretty pricey once you add a keyboard but the ipad OS is pretty darn slick for a casual user like myself but reaching up all the time on the screen feels nowhere as efficient or enjoyable to me as using a track pad.

Super tough call. :confused:
ipad mini 5 cum future ipad os + mouse + keyboard .. All the user wanted.I had 7 inch samsung tab and ipad mini,both easy to hold but samsung a bit hard on horizontal typing without keyboard.
 
Sure but it’s no different from the “iPad can’t replace a laptop folks” who think every professional is running Maya or the full CS suite. Ignoring that these software needs would never be run in a laptop with the iPads specs (gonna run CS in 4GB if RAM...really?) There are plenty of professionals, like in the business world, who primarily use apps like Office and it can replace their computer. You are just as likely to hear absolute statements that ipads can’t replace some work laptops.
I know you won’t believe me, but in my experience, the “can’t” statement is invariably proceeded with someone stating it “can”.
 
i got that!

(except 512 SSD.. a benefit of being a CAD user, relatively small file sizes ;-) )

idk, yeah.. definitely a sweet upgrade.. not really sure what that other dude is on about

Basically, the OP is on about the lack of NVIDIA...and Apple is all out on NVIDIA at this point. The only difference between the Studio Series laptop and the 2019 was that it has a Quadro P5000. It’s a familiar story since 2014 when the GT750M became the last OEM GPU that Apple shipped.
 
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*Apple drops a new laptop*

Hey Guys! Did you know there are cheaper windows laptops? Apple is expensive!

rinse repeat x 100

Reminds me of those ads people in wrecking ralph
 
Basically, the OP is on about the lack of NVIDIA...and Apple is all out on NVIDIA at this point. The only difference between the Studio Series laptop and the 2019 was that it has a Quadro P5000. It’s a familiar story since 2014 when the GT750M became the last OEM GPU that Apple shipped.
heh, that’s what my new one replaced.. mid2014 w/ 750M

but yeah, i see his narrative now.. thx
 
Serious, does anyone really need a laptop that is even faster? What is big the hurry?
Most people don’t buy desktops anymore. So laptops have a ways to catch up.
Yet amazingly still slower than the 2018 iPad Pros. Hey Apple - we're ready for those ARM MacBooks ;)

iPad Pro 12.9" 3rd Gen GeekBench 4 Score (5008 single-core, 17921 multi-core)
Sure.... notice how an iPad Pro JUST got USB-C? The TB-MBPs can feed at least TWO Thunderbolt 3 ports of IO at 40Gbps each. A USB-C port is 10Gbps max. iPP is not even in the same league for proper heavy bit moving.

iPad Pro has definitely upstaged the 12” MacBook with only USB-C though.
 
Its funny, everyone who actually has one, loves it. Except of course the people who write-up lots of complaints in articles. Buy a sleeve, don't trust your laptop to dust in backpacks, et, and you will be fine. And, if not, free repairs for 4 years! Thats way better than Dell
The issue is that the new keyboards WILL fail much sooner, that’s almost certain. You can’t replace the keyboard at all on your own because it’s “arbor pressed” into the case now. Even if you could get one, are the Touch Bar and Touch ID sensor separate? Because there’s no way to even “Frankenstein” two broken ones together now... just like iPhones have become.

AppleCare only goes up to 3 years. That was fine when plenty of units with broken screens hit eBay and you could easily keep one going 5-7 years. Now MacBook Pros are ONLY good for THREE years... if you can’t FIX it, you better not rely on it for anything you can’t immediately buy another one on the spot for... used or whatever.
 
How am I supposed to work on Indesign and Illustrator though? What about video editing? Animators? Web developers, etc?

Pretty crazy to suggest an iPad is a sufficient replacement for a laptop.
I totally understand where you're coming from and I have an iMac Pro at work and a 2019 5K iMac at home. But the iPad is honestly becoming a device where you can do real work when on the go. It even supports a mouse now, and in my testing, it was usable, especially when customizing all the mouse buttons to go back to home, open the new expose like multitasking, open Notification Center, etc.

As for apps, Affinity makes some amazing apps called Affinity Photo (Ps), Affinity Designer (Ai), and Affinity Publisher (Id) that are both on the Mac and iPad (the iPad version of Publisher is in the works). I know .psd and .ai files are compatible, but I believe they are working on supporting either .indd or .idml. The apps themselves are actually pretty fantastic. I haven't used the Publisher one as much, but if it's as good as the other two, I'm sure it will be great (though it did recently launch so it might not have a depth of features yet). And it all feels so much smoother compared to Adobe. I haven't fully switched yet because I have so much muscle memory with CC, but I'd like to completely switch at some point.

But that all being said, yeah, I'm not ready to trade in my Mac any time soon. Especially given how buggy iPadOS beta is right now. But I think in a few years you will be able to do 95% of what you can do on a MBP, with perhaps the tradeoff being extreme lightweight vs. a reduction in productivity. It all depends on what your'e doing, but I think it would be great for my vacations. I bought a USB-C dock for it though which is pretty sweet. It can read SD and micro SD, has a USB-C and USB-A port, a headphone jack, and an HDMI output. It's designed to be slim and rigid on the side of the iPad, so I can just leave everything plugged into it when traveling and dock my iPad when I get back to dump photos or whatever. I was planning on doing that for my vacation next week and leave the MBP behind, but iPad OS Beta 3 had other plans, lol, and SD cards aren't working right now for me on my 2018 12.9". In my testing on a bigger yet unpowered hub I use with my MBP, the iPad Pro can power a Samsung T5 SSD, a G-Drive 2.5" portable HDD, a Sony UHS-II SD card, and a high speed wireless adapter for my Logitech gaming mouse all at the same time, which surprised me. It can also pass through power to charge an iPhone, but I haven't tested that at the same time.

Anyway, you're right, that guy was completely wrong saying the iPad Pro is the future to replace the MacBook Pro, but I think given some more refinements it could definitely replace a MacBook Air for many users. And honestly, for photography, Lightroom is pretty great on it and will be supporting external drives and works great with Apple Pencil. I think I can work nearly as fast editing photos on the iPad as I can on my iMac Pro, with the benefit being that I can kick back in a hammock or literally anywhere while editing. It will be interesting to see how the platform progresses, but I don't think it can be completely written off any longer for professional work, as you seem to suggest. It all depends on what you do.
 
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If you want to ever do any real CPU-intensive work, a laptop is never your answer. No laptop is.

Except of course when you're out on location. Like on a movie set. Not everybody works in an office running spread-sheets 9-5. Some of us run intense, resource heavy applications and our jobs sometimes require us to be mobile.
 
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