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Base 2019 13-Inch MacBook Pro is Up to 83% Faster Than Previous Generation in Benchmarks
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Tempting, especially in tandem with the educational discount and free headphones. But my iMac and iPad Pro combo is working very well for me, my MBA is still collecting dust in a drawer somewhere, and I just don’t see myself needing a laptop anytime soon.
No but the distinction is that much of what those BA pilots are using those iPads for could be done on a phone.
@sirozha suggestion that the iPad is useless for most pro apps is maybe a bit strong but its certainly still useless for a lot of pro apps.
Look at Apples own stuff, no Final Cut, no Logic. Now I suspect, much like Apples insistence on not selling a touchcreen Mac, that their absence is because Apple would like people to have to buy a Mac and an iPad but the iPad is still seriously lacking when it comes to professional level software.
The biggest problem for the iPad is the App Store, the economics of selling pro apps on the App Store don't make sense for a lot of developers.
Because Timmy would never lie to us.
In general, there's a consistent and noticeable UI lag. Most apparent when using tap-to-click on icons in system preferences or things in Finder.
I also handle a lot of Prores footage in davinci resolve and this thing totally melts when even trying to play it back let alone trying to transcode or export it.
FCP X is similar, but at least playback is smooth when set to "performance" mode instead of default "quality" mode
Render speeds on this thing remind me of my dual-core 15" MBP in 2009.
Tried working with a large-ish file in photoshop and it crashed
The only tasks this laptop is fine at are office stuff, web browsing, calling/texting, etc. It can't handle even light media work.
I'm officially sad. One of the factors weighing in on my purchase of the 2017 nTB was specifically the absence of the Touch Bar.
If by majority of cards you refer to Nvidia, then realize that since Mojave, Apple no longer supports OpenGL. Nvidia is either having difficulty writing Metal drivers, or they have no intention of doing so. Maybe they need technical resources that they’re not getting from Apple to overcome whatever issues are holding up MacOS drivers, but if so they haven’t said so publicly. It could be that Nvidia’s simply not willing to support Metal, who knows.
re: the mini, with the upgraded cooling there’s a 65W thermal budget for CPU+GPU. How would you suggest it be allocated, rather than with all 65 Watts dedicated to the CPU/iGPU, as Apple did?
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As soon as you tell me how to get a half dozen local terminal windows on an iPad Pro. If I can't get to a shell prompt (or a lot of shell prompts), it can't take over completely from my MBP.
Im a professional: i have a job that earns money....
A "Professional" person is an often used term to describe a person who believes they are pursuing an important "career", usually an office job of some description, which usually is a bit underwhelming when described by name, but which they believe is a stepping stone toward some impressive job in their future.
Such a professional will enjoy being seen with a shiny new macbook...and may indeed have one of every apple device just to prove how professional they are!
I know of jobs where the work is all done on an ipad. Like inspection type jobs. Clearly not a "creative professional", but it pays, so professional.....
Many people underestimate the value of being seen with an apple product, and instead focus on the technical merits of said device. Silly people...
Really? You're talking about a 7 year old computer with a completely different design than the current ones; and probably needs its thermal paste replaced at this point. We're talking about the current generation MBPs.
I guess some people need to find something to complain about ♂️
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And your proof is? Did you read the AI article - where they ran a plethora of CPU heavy tasks showing that the CPUs DO NOT throttle.
Hell, I've got a 2018 6-core 15" MBP that I consistently run handbrake on and don't deal with throttling.
Noticing some battles of iPad pro vs this new MBP. I actually recently bought a 13 ipad pro returned it for the 11", as it felt too big to use as an ipad and clumsy as a laptop replacement. 11" still feels a tad big to me as a tablet, maybe because this is my first tablet, but I often feel I'd rather just use my phone unless I want the keyboard and a larger display. No matter if you're using the Apple folio keyboard (big weaknesses no back lit keys, price and doesn't protect from falls) or the Logitech keyboard, (heavy, bulky and hard to get in and out of) I'm really in a trying to figure out what makes the most sense, ipad pro or macbook.
I'm definitely not a power user not doing video editing but I like organizing my music with smart playlist which only Mac Os can do currently and most likely going forward which seems really odd but that's Apple for you.
Macbook air probably makes the most sense but the pro has a better display, only cost $250 more, is more, powerful and thus should be a bit more future proof (I keep my macbooks a loooonnng time). But then these butterfly keyboards sound terrible are they that bad?
iPad pros also get a pretty pricey once you add a keyboard but the ipad OS is pretty darn slick for a casual user like myself but reaching up all the time on the screen feels nowhere as efficient or enjoyable to me as using a track pad.
Super tough call.
I'm definitely not a power user not doing video editing but I like organizing my music with smart playlist which only Mac Os can do currently and most likely going forward which seems really odd but that's Apple for you.
Macbook air probably makes the most sense but the pro has a better display, only cost $250 more, is more, powerful and thus should be a bit more future proof (I keep my macbooks a loooonnng time). But then these butterfly keyboards sound terrible are they that bad?
iPad pros also get a pretty pricey once you add a keyboard but the ipad OS is pretty darn slick for a casual user like myself but reaching up all the time on the screen feels nowhere as efficient or enjoyable to me as using a track pad.
Super tough call.
one of the architects i work with uses one for sketches.. (amongst other parts of his business& entertainment).. prior to this, it was pencil/pen/markers/colored pencils on paper and those drawings were sweet.. on an iPad, it’s letting him get better transparency effects and whatnot.. as well as different line weights and other effects without carrying around his whole kit (ie- site visits and meetings)
the dude is talented regardless of what medium he’s using but seriously, the iPad drawings turn out awesome.. they’re also easy to send out plus they’re editable
10/10 would recommend if you do a lot of communication through hand drawings.
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Managed a small group of dev and designers, we always made sure we had the various resolutions when feasible. Usually, one of us had a device that we didn’t have in the office for testing, so we were covered. It was always more critical with the iPhone than the iPad, especially when the 6 and 6 Plus debuted and then when the iPhone X was released. You’re right, the simulator just doesn’t cover all use cases and there are time when on the device is starkly different than you thought on the monitor.
iPad Pro is a just tablet.no matter how hard you want to believe otherwise,it can never have the full functionality of a Mac.
the person you were replying to also has a 7 year old computer. I bought my 13" new; it always ran very hot (and became near unusable because of it with time). The fact that you can get slightly better perfs by completely disassambling the machine is not really an endorsment. If all it takes is better thermal paste or liquid metal or whatever, why aren't they doing it in the factory? granted the newer model have probably improved on this front; I'd like to see a test of the faster 15 inch and how it holds up alongside the vega going full speed. The newer mac mini has also been shown to throttle (slightly). it's been a recuring problem on macs.
I hadn't read it no, but I've just had a quick skim through it. I'm not sure how well you read it. Apple Insider even signs off that article with a comment about how thermally constrained the current design MacBook Pros are. They actually cite the 2018 six core model as an example.
The machine they tested was the new eight core model, released this year, which they say seems to mitigate some of the thermal issue of the previous gen.
Do you honestly think you are getting the same performance from that chip in that 4lb half an inch thick laptop that you would in some huge PC case?
Thermal paste looses it's efficacy over time - a 7 year old computer would fall into that category. Brand new, it was probably running just fine.
So you are saying:
Not driving on roads with the highest posted speed limit on a daily basis = you should only own a vehicle which is barely capable of the lowest posted speed limit.
That is a lot to take in!
Let me derive a principle from this: buy a different car for each road you regularly drive down, and always drive the car that is barely capable of the max speed you anticipate seeing on your route.
Alternatively, and what normal people do, is buy one car that is capable in every scenario, because....cars can be driven slower than their max speed.
Similar to cars, computers can utilize less than 100% of their resources.
If an ipad pro was a lot more affordable than a macbook, then okay. But when they are nearly the same price...you gotta be kidding! Do you have a degree in trolling?
No, I don't expect the same performance as a desktop, which is why the chips in the MBPs (and all laptops for that matter) are specifically designed for laptops and run at a lower clock speed than their desktop counterparts.
With that being said, I expect to get the advertised clock speed from my MBP, which I do get (by utilizing Intel's Power Gadget).
heh.. i don’t know about that..
i’m guessing most pros using traditional computers (desktops/laptops) are on laptops.. or, at least half.
(or, using laptops in addition to a desktop)
Well now your making a different argument.
Bladerunner initially stated an opinion that this Macbook wouldn't sustain the performance in real world scenarios, you took issue with that, but its probably fair.
No, Bladerunner stated that the MBPs couldn't maintain their advertised clock speed under continuous load, which is simply not true.
You need to add minimal to the external drive support part. And native stylus support is awesome but how about anything close to real mouse integration
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Again what, the iPad is neutered as a real productivity device and the only thing responsible for it is Apple. Tim says you must have a Macbook and an iPad!
I woudn't call that an upgrade. What Apple does these days to pro users is just a slap in the face. Meanwhile Nvidia is developing their studio line with a Quadro 5000 card, 2TB, 32GB ram and the i9 chip.
There is a difference between Professional and Productive and thats what people for get. Yes a lot of professionals can use an iPad for what they do, but is it as productive as a laptop can be, no.