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I don't think this is accurate.

I mean, do you want to go back to slower, off the shelf parts and bulkier, heavier and slower machines?

Do we really want to go back to ethernet ports and USB A in laptops? Why not throw a FireWire 800 in there as well?
Firewire was sweet. You didnkt have cables with chips in them. My made for iphone cable I purchased stops charging the phone when it locks. What good is certification for cables if you have no way of knowing it will work?
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It’s a business, not a non-profit or a charity... it’s their fiduciary responsibility to make profit.

All companies differentiate their products and pricing levels, yet when Apple does it, it’s treated as evil, mean-spirited, nefarious or greedy...what exactly do you think you’re entitled to?


Please read!
https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordeba...rs/corporations-dont-have-to-maximize-profits
 
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for those still do not get it, 128GB SSD in MacBook(s) are like iPhone 16GB, it took a lot of (and years of) complaints from media for apple to really up it to 32GB. 128GB SSD limits your ability to keep the machine long time. especially with the soldered SSDs.

sometimes, media cannot go against the trillion dollar company.
 
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I guess I'm just resistant to change, but my 8-year-old SSD is failing and I like the fact that I can just replace it in 5 minutes (with a really nice and compact electronics screwdriver set from Neilsen), and I can clean out the fans/heatsink while I'm at it and it's therapeutically satisfying to do (as opposed to the stress of going into town and waiting in lines to get it done, forgetting for a moment the fact that this mac has vintage status). Did the same when my battery swelled a few months ago and it just felt so good clicking a brand new battery into place. The technology inside these machines boggles my mind and it's cool to be able to get a more intimate look at it. Gonna repaste the CPU and GPU soon too, even tho I don't really need to, because it's exciting (it'll be my first time)! :rolleyes: My new laptop has a tool-less removable bottom cover and battery, and even a removable MXM graphics card. It's awkwardly humungous but I love it. :D
 
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Totally agree. I was shocked to see the base config, especially when you realize that upping it to 16gb RAM and 256 gb storage makes it the same price exactly as the next model up, so it's just a gimped model designed so some consumer can think they have a pro machine based on name alone. Apples whole "fast, faster, fastest" is totally BS to help make up for a small size product range with artificial choices, like a gimped starting model and then a "fastest" model which is only like a few percent faster than the model below but costs WAY more, with "overclocked" processors that are going to be too hot for the tiny laptop. Either they should make a larger more pro laptop that can handle it or they should stop fooling around.

for those still do not get it, 128GB SSD in MacBook(s) are like iPhone 16GB, it took a lot of (and years of) complaints from media for apple to really up it to 32GB. 128GB SSD limits your ability to keep the machine long time. especially with the soldered SSDs.

sometimes, media cannot go against the trillion dollar company.
 
So many people think anyone gives a hoot that they won’t buy the newest Apple whatever. And so many who are so proud to use ancient laptops swearing they will never buy a new one based on some ideological disagreement about its design or components.

What a crock. Not one person on the planet other than you gives the furry crack of a rats behind what you do or don’t buy (or why). And no one believes you’ll be using a 2010 era laptop in 5 years out of some silly pointless protest.

So boring and predictable with every new product or refresh
Ha ha, this is great! They should call this site, mac rant, or something like that.
All these people that don't have a mac or use a mac show up and complain.
I bought a new mac mini this week, first new mac that I've bought that was not a refurb since 2002!
I think Apple is on the right path. That new 13" is looking really good..will be interesting to see what they do
when they make macs based on their own chips.
 
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Totally agree. I was shocked to see the base config, especially when you realize that upping it to 16gb RAM and 256 gb storage makes it the same price exactly as the next model up, so it's just a gimped model designed so some consumer can think they have a pro machine based on name alone. Apples whole "fast, faster, fastest" is totally BS to help make up for a small size product range with artificial choices, like a gimped starting model and then a "fastest" model which is only like a few percent faster than the model below but costs WAY more, with "overclocked" processors that are going to be too hot for the tiny laptop. Either they should make a larger more pro laptop that can handle it or they should stop fooling around.

Adding 16GB of DRAM to the $1499 8GB/256 SSD 13” MacBook Pro puts it at $1699, which is still $200 less than the base $1799 8/256GB SSD 13” MacBook Pro, at least here in the USA. There doesn’t seem to be anything gimped about the new 13” model, considering that both of these videos show it in typical “Pro” work:


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Apple has always had a smaller model selection than PC OEMs, especially after Jobs took over and introduced the 4 quadrant model range to slash costs, simplify the product matrix and get Apple profitable again. Even after the introduction of Intel-based Macs, Apple kept the mix smaller, if now a 2x3 of Mac min/iMac/MacPro+MacBook Air/MacBook/MacBook Pro, which worked quite well for a while.

Apple doesn’t use “overclocked” CPUs in any of its computer, and both the 15w TDP U-Series (Mid 2019 13”) and the 28w TDP U-Series (Early 2019 13” refresh) seem to do just fine cooling wise. At least, I have yet to hear anyone complaining about that particular aspect of the 13” MacBook Pro models.

Even now, with the 15” MacBook Pro, they are running just fine with the 9th Gen 6- and 8-core models and the only real stand out anymore is the 8th Gen Core i9-8950HK which most PC OEMs haven’t even tried to use in their laptops, sticking to the i7-8750H for the vast majority fo their “thin and light” offerings and still they have trouble cooling that CPU, depending on the model.

CPU speeds and choices are dictated by what Intel has to offer and how Apple wants to package it...I suspect that a 28w TDP Core i5 and Core i7 offered in the 15” MacBook Pro chassis with a dGPU would probably be a pretty good seller, if Apple decided to pursue that, and many around here would like to see it, myself included. Or at least a 15” MacBook Air with a 15w TDP CPU instead of the 5w TDP Y-Series the 13” Air is now using. Those sorts of additional models might be useful in Apple’s product mix as there are many people who want a decently power CPU and dGPU in a 15” model, but don’t necessarily need a 6- or 8-core beast, just a larger screen. If Apple is unwilling, I get it, but I do think there is room for a few additional models that would satisfy the holes in their lineup.

Personally, having been a 17” user for eight years, I would like to see that size model brought back as a mobile/desktop replacement for those who truly need a portable workstation. How Apple decides what gets made and what doesn’t get made is a behind the scenes thing that end-users don’t get to participate in, but I still think Apple does a better job than other PC OEMs who ship so many models, you swear they are simply throwing stuff against a wall, hoping enough of it sticks to keep them profitable and afloat. I don’t want that from Apple, neither should anyone else. It’s a recipe for disaster.
 
Please add topside keyboard removal, and display replacement should be reasonable. OEM parts would be fantastic for anyone who wants to tinker. Let us repair our devices and save some resources.

Top side keyboard removal means a much less ridged structure or a thicker structure to compensate...no thanks. If the existing keyboard structure could be modularized to make it easier to replace without the technician having to replace the entire Top Case, I think that would be a grand idea. That would still require the logic board to be removed, but that too should be rethought in terms of making repairs and replacement easier. The same with the Force Touch TrackPad assembly. Surely, Apple can come up with a way for us to have the latest battery tech without having to glue the battery in place. I have a Late 2011 MacBook Pro 15” that I think was probably the best of both worlds. Rigid structure, screwed in, but still easily replaceable as it was not glued in.

As for display replacement, that has never really been easy, so if you mean removing and replacing the entire display plus frame and back aluminum cover, then perhaps. I don’t think you mean removing the actual LCD panel and replacing just that piece, correct? If so, that’s not reasonable.

OEM parts from Apple have always been very hard to come by and usually require an exchange, and proof that the part you are swapping is indeed damaged. Anything close to users simply walking up to the parts counter like Auto Zone, buying parts ad hoc and keeping what you have is simply not tenable for Apple and is not going to happen. That is simply not Apple and never will be. More modularized component to make it easier for Authorized Techs to repair or replace components quickly, sure. Unfettered access to whatever parts you want, no...I wouldn’t do that either, if I was running Apple. Besides, Apple’s target consumers are not interested in “tinkering”. They simply want the device to work, the hardware to hold up and be reliable and for there to be a place where they can go get it fixed if something unfortunate happens.

If you want to tinker, go build yourself a Windows/Linux PC, the marketplace for that is huge.
 
Firewire was sweet. You didnkt have cables with chips in them. My made for iphone cable I purchased stops charging the phone when it locks. What good is certification for cables if you have no way of knowing it will work?
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Please read!
https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordeba...rs/corporations-dont-have-to-maximize-profits

FireWire was slow and doomed from the beginning - https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...the-standard-everyone-couldnt-quite-agree-on/ - its dead and needs to stay that way.

IF you are having trouble with third party cables that are supposed to be MFi-certified and aren’t working, then you need to let them know and have them send you cables that do work. If they won’t, then you need to let Apple know that the manufacturer is not complying with the MFi specs and should have their license yanked. Squeaky wheel...

In the context of my answer, it was in response to a post implying that Apple should have put four Thunderbolt 3 ports on the new 13” MacBook Pro as well, which was purely to upsell to the four port model, the reply was that it was a cost saving measure, then the reply to that was a profit making measure. The bottom line is that every business differentiates their products and stratifies them to provide choice and serve those who may not be able to afford the more expensive model. Automakers do it all the time with trim levels, offering a basic set of the most important features in the base model (DX), more amenities, aluminum instead of steel wheels, a more powerful engine (LX), leather seats, navigation (EX, EX-L) and finally, the most opulent model with wood trim, power everything, active suspension, even more powerful engine, cameras, et al (Touring) and so on and so forth. This is all designed to serve and appeal to as many customers as Possible who want to buy a certain model, but can’t afford or don’t need/want all the amenities as they are more concerned with simply having transportation that looks nice, is reliable, has a few things they want, etc. and I don’t hear anyone complaining about how Honda, Toyota, Ford or GM do the exact same thing Apple is doing.

Finally, the arguments put forth in the NYT article hardly apply to the aforementioned paragraph. Apple is still innovating, creating new products and new categories of products, doesn’t seem to be focused on short term earnings, but on long term growth by widening their product lines, adding Services to their product offerings, is not reckless or destructive, is committed to the environment. They simply said, this model costs this much and we are reducing the number of Thunderbolt 3 ports to make sure we hit the price point we want, along with a cheaper CPU, less base storage, etc. They have clearly decided that the Touch Bar is important enough to include it and help reach feature parity with the 28w TDP 13” MacBook Pros (remember when Air Conditioning and Power Windows were not standard features on the lowest trim level automobiles? If not, they weren’t for a very long time) and have incorporated the latest keyboard mechanism.

Sure, I know there are certain things that Apple could change that would go a long way towards better consumer sentiment that I can and have communicated to Apple. Ultimately, I can decide to buy another companies products, should I decide that Apple no longer wants to serve my interests. That’s how it works.
 
Good luck getting it fixed if anything breaks. Also, good luck replacing the battery (and eventually, ALL batteries need replacing).

You can return to Apple or an authorised repair shop and they will replace the battery. The cost for MacBook Pros are $200 if it is out-of-warranty.
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this is regular required work in an enterprise. And we're only talking about a small 200-300 person financial institution.

I have never worked for a company, in Norway, which does it owns PC repair. It is outsourced usually to the laptop manufactor,

If I had to tell the CEO that if her laptop had a hardware failure the only solution was to be without her data or computer for 1-2 weeks while we send it in for repair, heads would roll.

Haven't you heard about replacement computers? When something breaks they get another machine, they log in and all their data is on their new computer.

When the other computer comes back from repair it becomes part of the replacement pool or is given to another user.
 
provided there are apple shops in your country/vicinity. if the machine is user serviceable, the user might service it or find someone who can.

If there is no Apple or authorised third party Apple presence in your country, you should not buy Apple products.
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as long as Apple computers have prohibitively costly repairs and prohibitively time lengthy repairs, They are very much a non-starter for company supported and purchased devices. Nevermind the cost... (nearly $2,000 CAD per device with warranty)

Most enterprises don't buy Macs to save money. They do it to retain or attract (certain kind of) employees. If your employees are happy with Windows PCs, there are no reasons to switch to Macs.
 
The elitists over in Macrumors & other tech sites are hilarious. They never stop to amuse me. Only 1-3% of Mac owners in the mid 2000s ever touched the machines' insides. The data is collected independently with 1000s in sample size & is not from apple. Majority of people want machines to be more integrated, as this allows for machines to be less error prone & more robust.This goes for MacBooks as well. MacBook batteries last 3-4 times longer than 2009, their motherboards have gotten more efficient, and native SSD storage is much faster. I get it some elitist geeks want to touch the insides, and move things around, but that wont happen with Apple. Please make your own laptops or desktops or go to another brand.

If so few people ever touch the inside then why solder on the ssd? there is absolutely no justification to do so. Before you say the word elitist one more time, this was always possible with Macbook Pro's not that long ago. They even gave instructions on how to do it as well as laser etch the panel that you're meant to remove to change disk and ram. Your last sentence makes you sound like an 'Elitist' Apple defender.
 
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Honestly the keyboard's not a big issue to me, but the touchbar though, really needs to go. I still miss having a physical escape key. It's just weird hitting that area and not pressing down a physical key.

I also miss my (forward) Delete key. I've made one to appear in the top right of the touchbar with BetterTouchTool but it's still only as useful as a touch key can be.
 
If so few people ever touch the inside then why solder on the ssd? there is absolutely no justification to do so. Before you say the word elitist one more time, this was always possible with Macbook Pro's not that long ago. They even gave instructions on how to do it as well as laser etch the panel that you're meant to remove to change disk and ram. Your last sentence makes you sound like an 'Elitist' Apple defender.

Space savings, ensuring uniform speed across products and Apple is moving to simply putting NAND chips on the motherboard or on a removable blade, while the T2 acts as the SSD controller, which precludes the need or desire for a separate controller as m.2 blades currently have onboard. This makes compatibility easier for Apple and aligns with their business goals and privacy goals.

What was possible years ago doesn’t mean it’s always going to be that way. You used to have to set Master/Slave status with two IDE drives via jumpers on the HDD in order to get them to work. Now we don’t...things change and evolve. Also, 2.5” HDDs/SSDs take up too much room inside of today’s modern laptops and really have no reason to go into a laptop now that more flexible alternatives exist.
 
Space savings, ensuring uniform speed across products and Apple is moving to simply putting NAND chips on the motherboard or on a removable blade, while the T2 acts as the SSD controller, which precludes the need or desire for a separate controller as m.2 blades currently have onboard. This makes compatibility easier for Apple and aligns with their business goals and privacy goals.

What was possible years ago doesn’t mean it’s always going to be that way. You used to have to set Master/Slave status with two IDE drives via jumpers on the HDD in order to get them to work. Now we don’t...things change and evolve. Also, 2.5” HDDs/SSDs take up too much room inside of today’s modern laptops and really have no reason to go into a laptop now that more flexible alternatives exist.

Apple don't make the M.2 chips, they are a standard, you can get them for PC's from all brands now. The chips weren't built into the motherboard else they wouldn't say it was soldered on AFTER. You're right we cna't expect no change, this isn't just a change to a new technology though is it? You mean to tell me the other laptops on the market are soldering on their M.2 drives?
 
Apple don't make the M.2 chips, they are a standard, you can get them for PC's from all brands now. The chips weren't built into the motherboard else they wouldn't say it was soldered on AFTER. You're right we cna't expect no change, this isn't just a change to a new technology though is it? You mean to tell me the other laptops on the market are soldering on their M.2 drives?

m.2 drives come in different sizes, the most common being 2280 and have an onboard SSD controller (Phison is a popular one, Silicon Motion, Sandforce) but Apple has its own SSD controller in the T2 chip and so doesn’t need (or want) another SSD controller, so there’s no point in having m.2 slots in their computers. They never supported m.2 anyways, and have always had a proprietary slot for their PCIe storage blades. Moving to raw NAND, either soldered or in a removable blade is cheaper for them to manufacture and qualify since they control the NAND that they purchase. Regular m.2 is a free for all outside of Tier 1 manufacturers, like Samsung who use the chips they manufacture and create their own SSD controllers unlike a brand such as Patriot or Adata.
 
Cost effective? For Apple, sure! They get you to buy extra devices to have on hand just in case of a hardware failure requiring the device to be sent away for repairs in order to reduce downtime/productivity loss. For small businesses? (1-100?) Of course not.

Not only Apple is NOT cost effective, but in addition, is creating disposable appliances that create more trash.
Not to mention that they are NOT upgradable and more expensive and difficult to repair.

Furthermore, in addition, to pay a premium price (for what they claim to be "quality"), now you are NOT paying for quality anymore, since the entire Macbook line up has a keyboard that is a complete disaster and one of the worse products ever designed by Apple. Hey, but they just upgraded so it is even faster and crammed 8 cores in the same enclosure that already had problems cooling 4 cores.
As someone mentioned in here...That would be like having a Ferrari with flat tires and no A/C.
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Soldered parts do make them more robust. Less moving parts mean less permanent harm from physical damage.

That is complete nonsense. IN the past Apple has been building laptops with upgradable RAm and internal HD that were much robust from the MAcbooks they are building today in 2019. I still have a 2012 Macbook that I can type and never had a single problem typing.
Since 2016 forward, all the Macbooks had major keyboard problems. Furthermore, they were so badly designed that if you had a failing key you need to almost change the entire computer. IT does not matter how robust is a computer, if the design is pathetic.
 
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The soldered SSD is a step backwards :/

How is it a step backwards? It’s a design and business choice, same choice that other vendors might also choose to do. It’s not like you could change out the modules anyways, they are fully proprietary. Also this has been the design choice for all apple SSDs over the past couple of years so nothing really changed in that regard.
 
"One positive is that the trackpad can be replaced without touching the battery."

Gotta end of a positive note at least.
 
How is it a step backwards? It’s a design and business choice, same choice that other vendors might also choose to do. It’s not like you could change out the modules anyways, they are fully proprietary. Also this has been the design choice for all apple SSDs over the past couple of years so nothing really changed in that regard.

It is bad for repairability and bad for the environment. It reduces the possible lifespan of these machines and long term usability. It is bad for consumers that the anaemic 128GB base is soldered. It has not been the choice design for all Apple SSDs in the last couple of years. It is a change from the old Non Touch Bar MacBook Pro that this model replaced. The old non Touch Bar MacBook Pro and 2017 MacBook Air both had socketed SSDs, and it was upgradable in the Air.
 
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128GB is fine for some people - like writers or accountants or whoever doesn't need a lot of stuff on the go. If that saves them some money what's the big deal? If you think you need 256GB, get it. It's far easier down the line to just get an external hdd or ssd for your stuff (not to mention cheaper) than to replace the internal ssd, especially for non techy people.
 
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