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I can swap a dead lenovo keyboard in about 30 minutes and have a user back up and running. I can swap the SSD storage on any of our lenovo's in about 10 minutes if need be.

if a laptop dies and needs to go to warranty, I can yank the drive out, put it into another laptop and the user continues working while we repair the machine without any change to data or workflow.

replacement and fixes can be done at just about any repair centre and take usually 1-2 days tops.


this is regular required work in an enterprise. And we're only talking about a small 200-300 person financial institution.

If I had to tell the CEO that if her laptop had a hardware failure the only solution was to be without her data or computer for 1-2 weeks while we send it in for repair, heads would roll. Especially if those repairs cost more than 1/3rd of the cost of the device in the first place. (we can get replacement keyboards for our lenovo's for about $50)

These new round of Mac laptosp arne't bad laptops. But the way they've been designed is clearly consumer focused first and not enterprise and not intended for long term large scale enterprise use. The lack of any sort of repairability means the turn around time should something go wrong is extended with additional risks of data loss should there be a problem. (replacing the motherboard shouldn't require replacing and losing all data)
If Mac laptops were not designed for large-scale enterprise, IBM would not have deployed 130,000 Macs in their organization. And they're not the only ones.

https://appleinsider.com/articles/1...7000-macs-and-ios-devices-issued-to-employees
 
Nothing sinister or complex about greed. It is what it is. And they most certainly did not gain durability by gluing batteries and soldering SSD.

In what way is it greed?
You realize that adhesives can be more durable than screws right? Especially for small components? And even if it’s not in this case (which you haven’t proven in the slightest) there are other reasons it might be more advantageous. Adhesive can allow them more flexibility than physical screws, or allow for smaller devices, or thinner. Engineering is always about tradeoffs.
But fine, if you want to imagine Tim Cook as some Bond-esque super villain, cackling away in his lair at Apple Park planning ways to torture GuruZac with glued down hard drives, be my guest. Meanwhile us rational folk will accept the much simpler and logical reality that this isn’t some sinister plot, and just about what works for the majority.
 
I personally don't mind the soldered SSD. When we were still using mechanical hard drives, that's usually the first component to fail, thus having it accessible to be replaced is important. But so far I've never had an SSD failed me, even going back to my previous 2012 Macbook Air.

The only thing left is the battery, which is the next component that will fail through time... Ah well, can't have everything.
 
Maybe someone can help me. I just ordered a refurbished MacBook Pro at 10 AM this morning because I NEED it for next week. I did not think they were about to announce new 13" but what I got is $2189 CAD and has 16GB RAM and 256 GB storage, 4 core 2.4gz , so it is specced almost identically to the new 1.4ghz and priced identically to it. The only difference is the refurb one has a the 655 graphics instead of the 645. As far as i can tell the new one is probably not noticably faster CPU wise so I should stick with the faster graphics card right? Is the keyboard going to make that much of a difference? Especially if I just can use a bluetooth keyboard most of the time anyways? Apparently the new one is slightly higher in multicore but not likely to see it,

My needs for the computer are light 4k video editing, light photo editing, mostly just a boring work machine.
The refurb machine I assume is the 2019 version released a couple of months ago, since you mentioned 655 graphics. Assuming it is the May 2019 model, I’d definitely stay with the refurb, unless battery life is an overriding concern.

Both have the same (newest) keyboard, same display, same almost everything. But with the refurb the CPU is a 28W part operating at 2.4/4.1GHz, which is going to give you better performance than the 1.4/3.9 15W CPU from the machine released this week—and significantly better under sustained loads. (Geekbench doesn’t measure sustained loads, but something like five back-to-back runs of Cinebench would demonstrate the marked difference when performance is measured over a longer time period.)

Also, the refurb has four USB-C/Thunderbolt 3 ports, the machine released this week only has two. That’s the only difference besides CPU and the Iris Plus 645 vs. 655 integrated GPUs (not actually graphics cards) you mentioned above.
 
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Oh the Lotus Notes company who sold their laptop line to China ?
Yup. They would prefer you call them the Red Hat company, however :)

After that (Red Hat) Oct 2018 purchase for $34 billion, they sold Notes, Domino, some other collaboration software and more (BigFix, Appscan, others) a couple months later, for less than $2 billion, to HCL Technologies.
 
No, they want to make more money off you by forcing you to upgrade your hard drive size at the time of purchase...WITH THEM.
I don't think this is accurate.

I mean, do you want to go back to slower, off the shelf parts and bulkier, heavier and slower machines?

Do we really want to go back to ethernet ports and USB A in laptops? Why not throw a FireWire 800 in there as well?
 
Who cares about non user replaceable SSD and battery.
At least years down the line when you want to replace the touchpad, you will be able to.
Typically the battery wears out and needs replacement before the trackpad does, unless there is a liquid spill, in which case you're probably going to need a new top case regardless.

Still good that the trackpad is replaceable separately from the top case, but I'm not happy about the glued-in battery. At least the 2018 MacBook Air gives us hope for a somewhat user-replaceable battery on future MacBook Pros.

It's completely normal for the battery to wear out and need replacement after years of use, yet there is still no easy way to do so. And I do expect my Macs to last for years.
 
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Typically the battery wears out and needs replacement before the trackpad does, unless there is a liquid spill, in which case you're probably going to need a new top case regardless.

Still good that the trackpad is replaceable separately from the top case, but I'm not happy about the glued-in battery. At least the 2018 MacBook Air gives us hope for a somewhat user-replaceable battery on future MacBook Pros.

It's completely normal for the battery to wear out and need replacement after years of use, yet there is still no easy way to do so. And I do expect my Macs to last for years.
Perhaps I need to type (sarcasm) in some of my posts.
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I don't think this is accurate.

I mean, do you want to go back to slower, off the shelf parts and bulkier, heavier and slower machines?

Do we really want to go back to ethernet ports and USB A in laptops? Why not throw a FireWire 800 in there as well?
What are you talking about? What does one thing have to do with the other? You don't need soldered ssd to have a ssd. You don't need them for USB-C / TB3 either. It's a decision, not a necessity. And yes Ethernet ports are still a thing, even if it freaks some people out.
 
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or, as many of us would think: your peripherals need upgrading.
peripherals are peripherals.
apple pushes forward.
deal with it.
many large corporations as well as smaller enterprises are learning that creating faster plug and play environments based on advanced platforms give the organization advantages.

Does it? Or have you been bitten by the Apple marketing machine?

My office is in the process of retiring all its MacBooks unless where absolutely needed.

Why you ask?
  • Poor enterprise support and management
  • An endless stream of dongles required and when you have 300+ laptops, that becomes rather expensive.
  • Poor user scalability
  • Poor security auditing and controls
  • Did I mention the comedy of peripherals?
In a company of 400+ employees, it’s next to impossible to manage unless you switch exclusively to Apple software and server hardware. Since that costs a fortune and has no real advantage, that’s simply not happening so we’re switching to Lenovo laptops and only MacBooks where 100% necessary (such as iOS app development).

Even our video editing team have chosen to dump Apple and built TWO custom video editing stations which are both more powerful than the new Mac Pro and about half the price each.

MacBooks are lovely at home and I will not in the near future replace mine for a Windows PC, but they suck on an enterprise scale.
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Perhaps I need to type (sarcasm) in some of my posts.
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What are you talking about? What does one thing have to do with the other? You don't need soldered ssd to have a ssd. You don't need them for USB-C / TB3 either. It's a decision, not a necessity. And yes Ethernet ports are still a thing, even if it freaks some people out.
Perhaps I need to type (sarcasm) in some of my posts.
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What are you talking about? What does one thing have to do with the other? You don't need soldered ssd to have a ssd. You don't need them for USB-C / TB3 either. It's a decision, not a necessity. And yes Ethernet ports are still a thing, even if it freaks some people out.

Your Ethernet comment made me laugh. It just shows the nativity of some when it comes to enterprise.

Many companies don’t allow WiFi and if they do, through a VPN even within the office.

I also prefer to use Ethernet as it’s still hands down much faster and more reliable than WiFi, and we’re encouraged to do so from a security perspective.

Home WiFi networks are no comparison.
 
Does it? Or have you been bitten by the Apple marketing machine?

My office is in the process of retiring all its MacBooks unless where absolutely needed.

Why you ask?
  • Poor enterprise support and management
  • An endless stream of dongles required and when you have 300+ laptops, that becomes rather expensive.
  • Poor user scalability
  • Poor security auditing and controls
  • Did I mention the comedy of peripherals?
In a company of 400+ employees, it’s next to impossible to manage unless you switch exclusively to Apple software and server hardware. Since that costs a fortune and has no real advantage, that’s simply not happening so we’re switching to Lenovo laptops and only MacBooks where 100% necessary (such as iOS app development).

Even our video editing team have chosen to dump Apple and built TWO custom video editing stations which are both more powerful than the new Mac Pro and about half the price each.

MacBooks are lovely at home and I will not in the near future replace mine for a Windows PC, but they suck on an enterprise scale.
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Your Ethernet comment made me laugh. It just shows the nativity of some when it comes to enterprise.

Many companies don’t allow WiFi and if they do, through a VPN even within the office.

I also prefer to use Ethernet as it’s still hands down much faster and more reliable than WiFi, and we’re encouraged to do so from a security perspective.

Home WiFi networks are no comparison.

we wish you the best.
 
Typically the battery wears out and needs replacement before the trackpad does, unless there is a liquid spill, in which case you're probably going to need a new top case regardless.

Still good that the trackpad is replaceable separately from the top case, but I'm not happy about the glued-in battery. At least the 2018 MacBook Air gives us hope for a somewhat user-replaceable battery on future MacBook Pros.

It's completely normal for the battery to wear out and need replacement after years of use, yet there is still no easy way to do so. And I do expect my Macs to last for years.
You can remove the glued-in battery (though usually at the cost of destroying the old one). It's easier with smaller batteries (I, eg, replaced the glued-in battery on iPhones). But Apple offers it as a service option.
 
The elitists over in Macrumors & other tech sites are hilarious. They never stop to amuse me. Only 1-3% of Mac owners in the mid 2000s ever touched the machines' insides. The data is collected independently with 1000s in sample size & is not from apple. Majority of people want machines to be more integrated, as this allows for machines to be less error prone & more robust.This goes for MacBooks as well. MacBook batteries last 3-4 times longer than 2009, their motherboards have gotten more efficient, and native SSD storage is much faster. I get it some elitist geeks want to touch the insides, and move things around, but that wont happen with Apple. Please make your own laptops or desktops or go to another brand.

actually, repairing yourself will be great if you ever get one of those explosive batteries, or your battery needs replacement, or your SSD failed, you can swap it. What can you do now if the SSD fails? All electronics fail. Given the price of MBP, its not an easy solution to just go and buy a new one.
 
Unless you work in an environment where that isn't allowed, such as the DoD, DHS, a US healthcare company with HIPPAA-compliant data to deal with, etc.
You think Apple will be losing data because of a failing Mac? Or that Apple is using a public cloud for backups? I mean. There’s private cloud data/backups and public cloud data. There’s absolutely no need to swap a SSD or whatever component(s) because you just get a new Mac or move to another workplace. Problem solved.
 
Nothing beats the Surface Laptop for low repairability - - it scored a "0" on iFixIt's teardown, which called it a "glue-filled monstrosity" - - not to mention it runs Windows. (FTR, the new MBP scored a "2" on iFixIt's teardown.)

Splitting hairs at that point, the Macbook being a slightly less glue filled monstrosity (with a keyboard that is a repair waiting to happen)
 
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/compare.html?productIds=189912,191067,191070

i can understand that, apple is going from 7 watts, 15 watts, 28 Watts and 45 watts TDP gradually to conserve battery life. 13.3" MBA, MBP (2 TPorts), MBP (4 TPorts), 15" MBP

Would like to have them SSD and RAM user replaceable but mostly would not happen. So in that case, for the price points $1099, $1299, $1799 the SSD and RAM specs should scale, they cannot really all start at the 128Gb SSD/8GB RAM, that is exactly where apple fails. then it becomes complaint point for user replaceable parts.

It is easy fix, for each price points, start the SSD/RAM such a way 128GB/8GB, 256GB/16GB and 512GB/16GB and so on (just an illustration purpose, apple only knows the delta from 8 and 16GB RAM, as well as 256GB and 512 GB SSD, at apple scale the delta is very minimal), the prices of SSD and RAM is continuously falling though.

one cannot bat two days when talking about environmental issues, such a trillion dollar company has to stand by what they promise - about caring about environment.

also, simply there is no reason for Two TB ports on the 15W TDP 13.3" MacBook Pro, other than Up sell.
 
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Yeah those are realities of Apple's choices. But this has been true for iOS devices, Chromebooks, ultrabooks as well. But SSDs fail much less. For the argument about not enough space, Mac owners in the mid 2000s didn't open their machines either. But rather they got external storage, which was cheaper than Apple's upgrade prices. But I get your deep fears. I guess Apple machines aren't meant for you. But my original point still stands.
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Good for you. I can just get a 4TB external drive for less than 300.
Tis not the same but the prices on externals are getting to be really good!
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A profit making measure.
Yer both right!
 
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