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I sure do! My 2017 MBP delights every time I use it - it's been a workhorse. I'd never go back to a thicker and heavier laptop with legacy ports.

We have a mix of them at work, and I have a little laugh with myself each time they need to do something or connect up to a display. They all carry little bags of dongles which amuses me.....(there's your extra weight ;) )
 
The elitists over in Macrumors & other tech sites are hilarious. They never stop to amuse me. Only 1-3% of Mac owners in the mid 2000s ever touched the machines' insides. The data is collected independently with 1000s in sample size & is not from apple. Majority of people want machines to be more integrated, as this allows for machines to be less error prone & more robust.This goes for MacBooks as well. MacBook batteries last 3-4 times longer than 2009, their motherboards have gotten more efficient, and native SSD storage is much faster. I get it some elitist geeks want to touch the insides, and move things around, but that wont happen with Apple. Please make your own laptops or desktops or go to another brand.

The majority of "people" perhaps, but not the majority of businesses (especially enterprises). There's a reason why brands such as Latitudes and Thinkpads are so popular with enterprises and other large organizations: repair-ability. And soldiered parts don't necessarily made them more robust.
 
The majority of "people" perhaps, but not the majority of businesses (especially enterprises). There's a reason why brands such as Latitudes and Thinkpads are so popular with enterprises and other large organizations: repair-ability. And soldiered parts don't necessarily made them more robust.

I can swap a dead lenovo keyboard in about 30 minutes and have a user back up and running. I can swap the SSD storage on any of our lenovo's in about 10 minutes if need be.

if a laptop dies and needs to go to warranty, I can yank the drive out, put it into another laptop and the user continues working while we repair the machine without any change to data or workflow.

replacement and fixes can be done at just about any repair centre and take usually 1-2 days tops.


this is regular required work in an enterprise. And we're only talking about a small 200-300 person financial institution.

If I had to tell the CEO that if her laptop had a hardware failure the only solution was to be without her data or computer for 1-2 weeks while we send it in for repair, heads would roll. Especially if those repairs cost more than 1/3rd of the cost of the device in the first place. (we can get replacement keyboards for our lenovo's for about $50)

These new round of Mac laptosp arne't bad laptops. But the way they've been designed is clearly consumer focused first and not enterprise and not intended for long term large scale enterprise use. The lack of any sort of repairability means the turn around time should something go wrong is extended with additional risks of data loss should there be a problem. (replacing the motherboard shouldn't require replacing and losing all data)
 
The elitists over in Macrumors & other tech sites are hilarious. They never stop to amuse me. Only 1-3% of Mac owners in the mid 2000s ever touched the machines' insides. The data is collected independently with 1000s in sample size & is not from apple. Majority of people want machines to be more integrated, as this allows for machines to be less error prone & more robust.This goes for MacBooks as well. MacBook batteries last 3-4 times longer than 2009, their motherboards have gotten more efficient, and native SSD storage is much faster. I get it some elitist geeks want to touch the insides, and move things around, but that wont happen with Apple. Please make your own laptops or desktops or go to another brand.
Someone buys the 128 GB SSD model only to discover they need more storage after the return period is up. This is probably not something that would happen to an "elitist geek" and has nothing to do with whether or not they want to touch the insides, most certainly they do not. But this is an annoying situation that in the past would've been much more resolvable, exacerbated by the puny 128 GB SSD Apple is continuing to ship in the base model.

Plus there is the possibility of SSD failure, and paying the cost of an entire logic board to get it fixed is always fun.
 
Interesting that the battery is now slightly larger than the more expensive model (with higher watt CPU). Has anyone found any battery life comparisons between the 2 thunderbolt model and the 4?
 
If the machine is user serviceable, you'd take it to an Apple store to get fixed.

If the machine isn't user serviceable, you'd take it to an Apple store to get fixed.

But the Apple store can't service it either. They just replace the whole logic board and charge you dearly for it. A third party repair shops would often do a better job, replacing just the part that is damaged, for 10-25% of the cost of Apple repair. I would never go to a third party repair shop for the first two years of the laptops existence but later on I would, both because of budget reasons but also for environmental reasons.

Also remember that Apple can refuse to repair your product (and then you are screwed), if they think it's vintage (+4 years old) or they think you've been an annoying customer.. it's at their discretion. Third party repairs is a right you have (should have) to products own. Sad if you think otherwise. #righttorepair
 
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Someone buys the 128 GB SSD model only to discover they need more storage after the return period is up. This is probably not something that would happen to an "elitist geek" and has nothing to do with whether or not they want to touch the insides, most certainly they do not. But this is an annoying situation that in the past would've been much more resolvable, exacerbated by the puny 128 GB SSD Apple is continuing to ship in the base model.

Plus there is the possibility of SSD failure, and paying the cost of an entire logic board to get it fixed is always fun.
Yeah those are realities of Apple's choices. But this has been true for iOS devices, Chromebooks, ultrabooks as well. But SSDs fail much less. For the argument about not enough space, Mac owners in the mid 2000s didn't open their machines either. But rather they got external storage, which was cheaper than Apple's upgrade prices. But I get your deep fears. I guess Apple machines aren't meant for you. But my original point still stands.
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Glad to upgrade my 2015 MBP to 1TB soon.
Cost me $300 instead of $3000.
Good for you. I can just get a 4TB external drive for less than 300.
 
Not touching any of these until the scissor-switch keyboard is back. And for God's sake, ditch that pitifully small 128GB ssd, it's not 2011 anymore...
I'm hoping for a new replacement keyboard that's rumoured for the "next" models. Either if they go back to the old type or a new kind that gives at least some key travel and none of the issues with the butterfly
 
Touch bar can go to hell. (Show stopper)

Crappy keyboard needs replacing.

Too heavy for the performance.

Too expensive with reasonable upgrades.

Nope.. pass
 
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The elitists over in Macrumors & other tech sites are hilarious. They never stop to amuse me. Only 1-3% of Mac owners in the mid 2000s ever touched the machines' insides. The data is collected independently with 1000s in sample size & is not from apple.

But how many had others touch the machines inside? I personally upgraded RAM or replaced the HD with an SSD in about 10 devices of friends back then and also know a lot of people who went to independent repairshops that upgraded/exchanged parts within hours without having to send the machine to Apple for a few days. Also this kind of smells like US-centric data, which is probably not represantative for the other 80%+ of mac sales.
 
The majority of "people" perhaps, but not the majority of businesses (especially enterprises). There's a reason why brands such as Latitudes and Thinkpads are so popular with enterprises and other large organizations: repair-ability. And soldiered parts don't necessarily made them more robust.
Soldered parts do make them more robust. Less moving parts mean less permanent harm from physical damage.
 
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The elitists over in Macrumors & other tech sites are hilarious. They never stop to amuse me. Only 1-3% of Mac owners in the mid 2000s ever touched the machines' insides. The data is collected independently with 1000s in sample size & is not from apple. Majority of people want machines to be more integrated, as this allows for machines to be less error prone & more robust.This goes for MacBooks as well. MacBook batteries last 3-4 times longer than 2009, their motherboards have gotten more efficient, and native SSD storage is much faster. I get it some elitist geeks want to touch the insides, and move things around, but that wont happen with Apple. Please make your own laptops or desktops or go to another brand.
If you're okay with paying a 200% markup on an SDD then you be you. Other sane users can buy a low capacity dive and toss in a beefy OWC blade and save hundreds.
 
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