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I see from the image, there is only one fan. The existing touchbar models have two. The lower processor might need less cooling, but surely more than half as much. I wonder what thermal throttling will be like, or fan noise in general.
 
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nah. soldering could also be more prone to breaking because it‘s less flexible. especially in very thin devices that have to tolerate a little bit of bending.
Yes, but Macs are not bent much. Plus, even under high stresses, soldered machines have better reliability than socketed devices. You can argue cheaper repairs, but I can say that 3rd parties can easily & cheaply fix solder issues too.
 
If it doesn’t come in a burlap bag as a bunch of parts with no instructions, that I can put together myself... no buy!

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Except, NOBODY is asking that.

your hyperbole in attempt to brush off legitimate concerns raised with these devices is noted.

We're not saying we want to be able to build our own MacBook Pro laptop. We're saying, in an enterprise environment there are serious repairability concerns that limit the reach Mac's can reach due to costly and timely repairs due to complete soldering of components with known lifespan limitations.

Hey, I would be more than happy if I NEVER ever have to replace another SSD or keyboard in my life. But the rreality is, these are two of the most common points of failure in just about every single device. Including Apple's computers.
 
If you're okay with paying a 200% markup on an SDD then you be you. Other sane users can buy a low capacity dive and toss in a beefy OWC blade and save hundreds.
Most people used external drives, even when Macs had upgradable storage. Its much cheaper than OWC & others.
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With the T2 chip, it's doubtful that any 3rd party repair shop could replace just the SSD.
T2 hasn't been used for preventing 3rd party repairs. Its for Activation Lock on Mac. Stop spreading news thats not true.
 
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I think you forgot the main issue.

For even the simplest repair, half the laptop needs to be replaced.

The laptop is cost prohibitive to repair after the warranty ends.

You could always argue "Apple decided not to use screws on Macs anymore because everyting is soldered and no replaceable parts by the user"

Apple could have the same kind of suction cups you use to take the glass of an iMac, to take the back cover of a Mac (or other special way to get in)

I doubt that, but its possible. Add to the abov eyou just mentioned, it would make little sense for users to dive in just to share at something that you can either "stuff it up", or just take a photo for the hell of it.

(it wouldn't get by iFixit.. those guys are "kings"....) but would be one step up from user space.
 
Except, NOBODY is asking that.

your hyperbole in attempt to brush off legitimate concerns raised with these devices is noted.

We're not saying we want to be able to build our own MacBook Pro laptop. We're saying, in an enterprise environment there are serious repairability concerns that limit the reach Mac's can reach due to costly and timely repairs due to complete soldering of components with known lifespan limitations.

Hey, I would be more than happy if I NEVER ever have to replace another SSD or keyboard in my life. But the rreality is, these are two of the most common points of failure in just about every single device. Including Apple's computers.
Thats why enterprise should use Macs less. Maybe iPads or Dell Desktops.
 
Hey, I would be more than happy if I NEVER ever have to replace another SSD or keyboard in my life. But the reality is, these are two of the most common points of failure in just about every single device. Including Apple's computers.

I agree with you.

Unfortunately, the T2 chip also locks people out of any replacement of the SSD (soldered or not).
 
Maybe for general file storage, but for anything else you're going to have a data bottleneck. Plus carrying an extra drive to plug in and out endlessly is far less convenient.
Well its much cheaper & easier to replace than your option. Plus thunderbolt 2 or 3 ssds drives have ridiculous speeds as well.
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256gb needs to be the standard ssd size for the base price.
10TB should be the standard for base price. Or you can stop commenting & can easily get a 4TB harddrive cheaply.
 
Well its much cheaper & easier to replace than your option. Plus thunderbolt 2 or 3 ssds drives have ridiculous speeds as well.
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10TB should be the standard for base price. Or you can stop commenting & can easily get a 4TB harddrive cheaply.
Thunderbolt 2 + 3 drives are also ridiculously overpriced in comparison to an internal solution.
 
Thats why enterprise should use Macs less. Maybe iPads or Dell Desktops.

But this is also why Lenovo and Dell clean up in the numbers. They're still making most of their devices with anywhere from moderate to high repairability. This is very beneficial to us. (I posted some examples in an earlier page).

as long as Apple computers have prohibitively costly repairs and prohibitively time lengthy repairs, They are very much a non-starter for company supported and purchased devices. Nevermind the cost... (nearly $2,000 CAD per device with warranty)
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I agree with you.

Unfortunately, the T2 chip also locks people out of any replacement of the SSD (soldered or not).

Just wait till the T2 chip becomes a requirement to run MacOS. the screaming from hackintosh users will be... interesting.
 
If the machine is user serviceable, you'd take it to an Apple store to get fixed.

If the machine isn't user serviceable, you'd take it to an Apple store to get fixed.
If you work for an enterprise with an IT department and the Mac is user serviceable, the IT department can fix it on site.

If you work for an enterprise with an IT department and the Mac is NOT user serviceable, the IT department might have to send it to Apple (or an authorized repair group) to get fixed. This will take longer.
 
You could always argue "Apple decided not to use screws on Macs anymore because everyting is soldered and no replaceable parts by the user"

Apple could have the same kind of suction cups you use to take the glass of an iMac, to take the back cover of a Mac (or other special way to get in)

I doubt that, but its possible. Add to the abov eyou just mentioned, it would make little sense for users to dive in just to share at something that you can either "stuff it up", or just take a photo for the hell of it.

(it wouldn't get by iFixit.. those guys are "kings"....) but would be one step up from user space.

I'm not arguing against Apple repairs.

What I'm arguing is that Apple designed the laptops to require that a large portion of it be replaced for even the simplest repairs.

This makes it cost prohibitive to repair / own after the warranty runs out.
 
On older MacBooks a user could swap a battery himself, there were no need to even open the machine.

I remember those days! I had the first-generation MacBook Pro 15 with the easily swappable battery! That was back in 2006.
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Does it make a difference though since the T2 chip means your data is unrecoverable in the event of failure anyway

Really? Geez!
 
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