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My 2019 Core i9 iMac continues to amaze me. Got it in May and while the MacPro base model tempted me, looks like I made the right choice by putting 64GB of RAM in this thing a few weeks ago. Could always add an eGPU to compliment my Vega 48.
My Core i9 MacBook Pro quickly throttles so Iv'e actually stopped doing much real media work on it. it's so much slower than the iMac once the thermal ceiling gets hit.
 
"the upgradeability and expandability of the Mac Pro should not be overlooked"

Not so fast mister....

We don't know how upgradable the new Mac Pro will be. Apple has flubbed this quite often in the past, even for Mac Pro models.

I remember trying to buy dual 30" cinema displays for my 3,1. I couldn't because the video card upgrade I needed was no longer available. Apple stopped selling it four months after the 4,1 was released. This was a blatant example of forced obsolesce.

Apple has a very bad track record of forced obsolesce. I wouldn't be surprised if the 7,1 was forced into obsolesce in 18 months if an mp 8,1 "update" appears in a year or so.

I believe this will happen because the 7,1 will fail due to excessive base price. Apple will need to develop a "cost reduced" mac pro - this of course will happen as upgraded Intel CPUs will arrive (or Intel will die from AMD competition), and new video tech. AMD will also put price pressure on Intel. Intel can't survive by selling only lower power higher priced CPUs for Mac Pros.

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3,1 - decent machine even though it was the last "Front side Bus" architecture MP. But Apple had to kill it = FAIL.
[45],1 - reasonable comprise (e.g. single, dual processor tray options) = successful version.
6,1 - Designed into "thermal corner" = fail (as predicted on MR within a year after release, then admitted by Apple C-levels 5 years later).
7,1 - Designed into "Price Point" corner = fail.
8,1 - compromise?? maybe?? but maybe too late to matter.
 
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Everyone is predicting an ARM transition but is Apple really going to make server CPUs with support for ECC RAM, a ton of TB3 lanes, etc and force all the software vendors to build for ARM? I don't really see how that investment makes sense for Apple for processors that are more power efficient in a chasis that is already built to handle massive power draws.
They're Apple, and they will undoubtedly have been working on this for many years and will have thrown piles of money into the R&D. I'm sure they'll have some kind of slick x86 emulation in the mean time, but will it really be all that different from when they switched from PowerPC chips to Intel back in the mid-00s? I was still pretty young then and far off from working in tech, but from what I've heard over the years, developers just absolutely loathed Apple for making that move haha.
 
The numbers are the reason why the base MacPro should be priced somewhere around $3999 with a 1TB SSD storage. Just like the iMac Pro (take a base iMac Pro and lets say the 5K display is $1000).
When you take into account that higher integrated laptops are always more expensive than desktops we get to a reasonable entry price of $2999 for a base Mac Pro - this is close to the price of the last Mac Pro (5,1).

But hey - as long as people pay $5999 for absolutely nothing, I‘m totally fine with it.
 
Just put together a 9900k Hackintosh with thunderbolt3, 10gbe, rx 580(for now) and 1TB nvme for 1.4k that beats the base MacPro.
Also put together a Ryzentosh with the 3700x, it was faster, but it didn't like Adobe Lightroom so I returned it. It was cheaper and not even the top of the line Ryzen. Apple and Intel have a lot of work to do.

I get why the Mac Pro exists, but only at the 16+ core level. They really should have come up with a unit starting at 2.5k and 8 cores, and started the pro at 16+ cores. That would have made a lot more sense and made everybody happier.
 
Wow I can't believe my 2017 iMac (non-pro) beat the Mac Pro in single core performance. My results were 1082/4529. Obviously the Mac Pro destroys my iMac on multi core performance.

Does single core even matter these days? You can only scroll a website or launch an app so fast. My guess it will be multi-core software and graphics performance which makes or breaks this machine.
 
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Wow I can't believe my 2017 iMac (non-pro) beat the Mac Pro in single core performance. My results were 1082/4529. Obviously the Mac Pro destroys my iMac on multi core performance.

Does single core even matter these days? You can only scroll a website or launch an app so fast. My guess it will be multi-core software and graphics performance which makes or breaks this machine.

Oh yes, single core matters. If you use Adobe software, it matters a lot...
 
After looking at this page https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html. I don't quite understand how the Mac Pro with the latest Xeon is get such a lower number compared to other Xeon processors in that list.
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Oh yes, single core matters. If you use Adobe software, it matters a lot...

Oh I thought by now Adobe upped their game with multi-core support.
 
After looking at this page https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html. I don't quite understand how the Mac Pro with the latest Xeon is get such a lower number compared to other Xeon processors in that list.
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Oh I thought by now Adobe upped their game with multi-core support.

Yeah, ever since Adobe switched to the subscription model, their priorities seem to not benefit their customers very much...
 
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And you don’t have to buy a $5,000 monitor or $1,000 stand when you buy an iMac Pro.
You don't have to buy one when you buy a Mac Pro either. In fact you shouldn't, unless you need that high end a monitor — and its competition costs far more than then. If all you needed was a big screen, you were hopefully smart enough to select something else. And by "you" I mean someone else. Obviously.
 
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Everyone is predicting an ARM transition but is Apple really going to make server CPUs with support for ECC RAM, a ton of TB3 lanes, etc and force all the software vendors to build for ARM? I don't really see how that investment makes sense for Apple for processors that are more power efficient in a chasis that is already built to handle massive power draws.

I agree with you but if Apple does move to ARM ( ECC RAM & Thunderbolt 4 & PCIe 4 ) it will cost them a hell of a lot in R & D but Apple has $200 Billion dollars in the bank so who knows Apple might actually become a mini Intel! If they can beat Intel at their own game it would be a great differentiator! Buy the way I just bought a Mac Pro 2019 and I see no comparison to the iMac Pro because it is not expandable! The iMac Pro is practically the Trash Can Mac with a screen attached! lol
 
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